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RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - idiot - 09 May 2015
Ah ok. I was just about to look on wiki lol
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 09 May 2015
(09 May 2015, 12:07 am)idiot Ah ok. I was just about to look on wiki lolGet ya self a look mate am not 100% sure on that
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - mb134 - 10 May 2015
Seems there were "riots" in London yesterday against the Conservative government, with their main argument being that only 37(?)% of those that voted, voted Conservative.
Also found the following petition:
https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-reform-our-voting-system-to-make-it-fair-and-representative-makeseatsmatchvotes?source_location=trending_petitions_home_page&algorithm=curated_trending
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 10 May 2015
(10 May 2015, 8:39 am)mb134 Seems there were "riots" in London yesterday against the Conservative government, with their main argument being that only 37(?)% of those that voted, voted Conservative.
Also found the following petition:
https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-reform-our-voting-system-to-make-it-fair-and-representative-makeseatsmatchvotes?source_location=trending_petitions_home_page&algorithm=curated_trending
I think it is mad that 63% voted against Conservative and they still got in with 37%, I really understand what we could do to change that, but we do need some kind of reform
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 10 May 2015
Details of the planned cuts.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/100-days-tory-cuts-carnage-5671068#ICID=sharebar_twitter
I have a feeling, this is only the beginning.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 10 May 2015
(10 May 2015, 5:52 pm)Andreos1 Details of the planned cuts.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/100-days-tory-cuts-carnage-5671068#ICID=sharebar_twitter
I have a feeling, this is only the beginning.
Of course it's only he beginning, but I really do fear.
They may get a round of applause at their annual conference when they announce plans to trample all over families relying on benefits, a lot of which are actually in work but low waged, but it's the kids that lose out. If having so many people reliant on food banks isn't enough, they're now going to drag even more children into poverty.
What next? Ah, the disabled and the vulnerable. An easy target for the spiteful Tories to have another swipe or two at those, they perceive, can't (or won't) fight back. Lets see how many more deaths there are at the result of their evil policies.
The real problem with this lot is that they won't be beaten. If anyone dares to put up a challenge to them, then they'll use their power to change the law to retrospectively fix it or make sure it won't happen again. We seen that with the workfare court cases, not to mention the relentless attacks on activists in the civil service.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - citaro5284 - 10 May 2015
(10 May 2015, 5:52 pm)Andreos1 Details of the planned cuts.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/100-days-tory-cuts-carnage-5671068#ICID=sharebar_twitter
I have a feeling, this is only the beginning.
Coming from a labour paper I would not expect anything else, has these cuts been announced for sure?
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 10 May 2015
(10 May 2015, 6:34 pm)citaro5284 Coming from a labour paper I would not expect anything else, has these cuts been announced for sure?
It's nothing new really. The story has been running for a while now, and was the result of leaked DWP papers.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/05/revealed-coalition-plans-to-slash-welfare-for-sick-poor-young-and-disabled
It was also in the Tories 2015 manifesto that they are to find £12bn from Welfare savings. This along with that they've proposed two phases to their deficit reduction programme. Phase one for the first three years of Parliament, with phase two being the remaining two.
I guess we'll have to wait for the Queen's speech at the back-end of May for the exact details, but I somehow can't see them cracking down on tax evasion instead!
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 10 May 2015
(10 May 2015, 6:03 pm)aureolin Of course it's only he beginning, but I really do fear.
They may get a round of applause at their annual conference when they announce plans to trample all over families relying on benefits, a lot of which are actually in work but low waged, but it's the kids that lose out. If having so many people reliant on food banks isn't enough, they're now going to drag even more children into poverty.
What next? Ah, the disabled and the vulnerable. An easy target for the spiteful Tories to have another swipe or two at those, they perceive, can't (or won't) fight back. Lets see how many more deaths there are at the result of their evil policies.
The real problem with this lot is that they won't be beaten. If anyone dares to put up a challenge to them, then they'll use their power to change the law to retrospectively fix it or make sure it won't happen again. We seen that with the workfare court cases, not to mention the relentless attacks on activists in the civil service.
I see they have found Gove a cushy new job.
Dread to think what wild and wacky ideas he comes up with.
(10 May 2015, 6:34 pm)citaro5284 Coming from a labour paper I would not expect anything else, has these cuts been announced for sure?
http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7573
You should have a read. It points out (in a non biased way), how the government could make the cuts needed to save the money they have said they're going to save.
Quite worrying and concerning.
Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 11 May 2015
Farage stays as UKIP leader after resignation rejected
Wonder if he planned it this way, he offers his resignation, knowing it will be rejected and he would remain as leader
Family Feud, sour grapes, bad loser
David Miliband criticises brother's election approach
I still say David would have been a better leader than than Ed
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 13 May 2015
It appears one or two people in Brighton may have been reading this forum and may have taken inspiration from the organisation and place we aren't allowed to mention
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/shortcuts/2015/may/12/britains-latest-breakaway-nation-peoples-republic-brighton-hove
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 13 May 2015
(13 May 2015, 11:12 am)Andreos1 It appears one or two people in Brighton may have been reading this forum and may have taken inspiration from the organisation and place [b]we aren't allowed to mention[back
http://5v www.theguardian.com/uk-news/shortcuts/2015/may/12/britains-latest-breakaway-nation-peoples-republic-brighton-hove
People taking lessons from Ernesto 'Che' Constantopolous...lmao
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 16 May 2015
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/15/blairites-new-labour-aspiration
A canny read, on the re-appearance of Blairites over the last week
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MurdnunoC - 16 May 2015
(16 May 2015, 9:28 am)Andreos1 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/15/blairites-new-labour-aspiration
A canny read, on the re-appearance of Blairites over the last week
Personally, I don't think a return to the Tory-lite, 'Blue Labour' days is what the party needs. I don't think there was anything wrong with the message Ed Miliband was trying to advance. The problem lay with the appeal of Ed Miliband.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 16 May 2015
(16 May 2015, 11:49 am)MurdnunoC Personally, I don't think a return to the Tory-lite, 'Blue Labour' days is what the party needs. I don't think there was anything wrong with the message Ed Miliband was trying to advance. The problem lay with the appeal of Ed Miliband.
Agreed.
Not just because of my leanings either.
In what was the recent past, the two party system, would have probably meant a move to the right would have led to a victory.
The middle England voters only had them and the tories to vote for and if their cornflakes had been p!ssed on like it had been under Major, then Labour would have picked them up.
I was over the moon when Chuka pulled out yesterday.
Hopefully whoever takes charge, can lead them to the left and make them different to the toeies, lib Dems and ukip.
Aspiration was used by Cameron throughout his campaign. It can mean so many things, unfortunately, it has been associated with financial connotations - nowt else.
I aspired to pass my driving tests, I aspired to have a family, I aspired to get my own home, I aspire for my kids to develop themselves and obtain a good education and career, I aspire to gain more knowledge and I aspire to obtain better qualifications.
Tory policy probably prevents or discourages a lot of that unfortunately.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 16 May 2015
Jim Murphy takes a parting shot at McCluskey.
http://news.sky.com/story/1485277/resigning-murphy-declares-war-on-union-boss
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MurdnunoC - 16 May 2015
(16 May 2015, 9:45 pm)aureolin Jim Murphy takes a parting shot at McCluskey.
http://news.sky.com/story/1485277/resigning-murphy-declares-war-on-union-boss
Caught this on the radio before along with all the pro-Blairite nonsense emanating from the Progress conference.
It will all end in tears.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 16 May 2015
Is anyone watching Rory Bremner?
He is as unfunny as ever, but just did a sketch about the 2020 election.
Huw Edwards and Laura Kuensburg (sp?), were the presenters, with the ticker along the bottom, running live breaking news stories from the night.
Houghton and Sunderland South - declared in 11 secs. Labour hold.
Sunderland Central - 22 seconds. Labour hold.
Washington and Sunderland West - 57 seconds. Labour hold.
Fighting has broken out amongst returning officers in Sunderland.
Street fighting has broken out in Sunderland.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 16 May 2015
(16 May 2015, 10:00 pm)MurdnunoC Caught this on the radio before along with all the pro-Blairite nonsense emanating from the Progress conference.
It will all end in tears.
Labour is in real turmoil at the moment, and I just hope the members select a strong enough candidate to take the party forward. Like Andreos1, I was pleased that Chuka pulled out the race for the leadership. Although very highly rated within, to me, he represents the New (blue) Labour years. For the Labour party to be a force again, it needs to offer a clear alternative, not a lesser form of Conservatism.
On the issue of Murphy/McCluskey/Unite... if I'm honest, I'm really surprised that Unite haven't made noises about de-affiliation yet. I'll give them a year or two before that one comes up, because I really don't think there's any benefit to Unite from the relationship. The Labour Party won't even support their action these days. If Unite de-affiliate, then others will follow suit.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MurdnunoC - 16 May 2015
(16 May 2015, 10:29 pm)aureolin Labour is in real turmoil at the moment, and I just hope the members select a strong enough candidate to take the party forward. Like Andreos1, I was pleased that Chuka pulled out the race for the leadership. Although very highly rated within, to me, he represents the New (blue) Labour years. For the Labour party to be a force again, it needs to offer a clear alternative, not a lesser form of Conservatism.
On the issue of Murphy/McCluskey/Unite... if I'm honest, I'm really surprised that Unite haven't made noises about de-affiliation yet. I'll give them a year or two before that one comes up, because I really don't think there's any benefit to Unite from the relationship. The Labour Party won't even support their action these days. If Unite de-affiliate, then others will follow suit.
I wish they'd stop banging-on about failing to attract support from the middle-classes. For one, there is no such thing as the middle-classes. Unless you can afford to pack in your job and live off the wealth you've accumulated then you fall into the category 'working class' - which is what Labour is meant to represent. Secondly, as Andreos has already mentioned, the 'middle-class' to which the Blairites seem so intent on pandering towards are essentially floating voters. They are not Labour's core support base. If they focus solely on attracting the middle-classes they'll lose support elsewhere as real Labour voters (and maybe the Unions) migrate to support different parties.