(20 Sep 2014, 11:15 am)Robert What is the real reason for Salmond stepping down as First Minster after Scotland voted No to independence?:

Is it really because he feels like he has had his finest hour and feels it is time for him to leave or is it just pure humiliation after his massive build-up to the referendum has gone up in smoke?
If the vote did go his way, would he have resigned? 

That is the big question that is coming into my mind at the moment. And i could have a simple answer for it (and the 2 sub-questions) and im sure its simple, he wants sympathy about not getting what he wanted and he knows that everybody will start to hate him. Feel free to disagree or agree with that but thats what i think.

(20 Sep 2014, 11:30 am)Andreos1 Isn't there already a politics thread?

Anyway - I am all for the regions having a voice, particularly the NE (although biased), does seem to be 'left alone' under tory rule.
It happened under the last tory government and the current one too (no idea about previous ones prior to Thatcher).
When Labour got in last, it seemed the majority of the cabinet was from up here.
I was hoping for a massive swing in government spending, but it never really happened.
Guessing the change to New Labour and the constant appeasing of middle England saw the end to that - after all, why look after a guaranteed vote, when you can concentrate on fostering new links with new voters.

When Prescott put the idea forward in the past of a regional Government (was it him with elected mayors too), I was in two minds.
If it brought a greater voice and prosperity to the region - excellent.
If it created another layer of governmental talking shops - then it would never work.
There were powers devolved in Cardiff, Edinburgh and Belfast, but apart from creating another layer of politics, I am not sure anything has been achieved.

Something needs to be done and a radical shake up needs to take place within the political spectrum of the UK.
The Scottish vote has stirred something and whilst Cameron may have been blasé about it initially - hopefully it has given him an almighty kick up the backside!

(20 Sep 2014, 11:30 am)Andreos1 Isn't there already a politics thread?

(20 Sep 2014, 12:30 pm)aureolin It's not uncommon for leaders to do so. Kinnock in 1992, Major in 1997, Hague in 2001, Howard in 2005, Brown in 2010.

(20 Sep 2014, 4:48 pm)Robert Im not saying its not uncommon... Im simply asking the question which is if Scotland had voted Yes, would he have stepped down?

(20 Sep 2014, 4:48 pm)Robert Im not saying its not uncommon... Im simply asking the question which is if Scotland had voted Yes, would he have stepped down?

(20 Sep 2014, 5:19 pm)aureolin I doubt it. At least not until the separation had fully completed, which would have been about 4-5 years iirc?

Both threads now merged by the way.

(20 Sep 2014, 7:11 pm)marxistafozzski Maybe he wouldn't then again, he may have done...maybe he got out before he was pushed out...He can still be proud of his campaign, he did a good job and has essentially got something he wanted included on the ballot sheet when the Edinburgh Agreement was signed, providing Westminster stay true there promise, they should get devo-max or close to it
Though I remember reading somewhere Independence Day would have been 2016 on the anniversary of Bannockburn

(20 Sep 2014, 7:32 pm)aureolin He can be proud of everything he has achieved politically imo. He wasn't my cup of tea, but no one can argue with his record.

Maybe we can get Tommy Sheridan back into the Scottish Parliament instead.

(20 Sep 2014, 8:11 pm)marxistafozzski I dont think much of Salmond to be honest, but do have respect for him, he is the only Scot in modern history who nearly got independence, and a few people had campaigning went on a while and if Gordon Brown hadn't weighed in, Yes may have won. By all accounts Brown gave the speech of his political life earlier in the week.

One thing I do know,  the next 6-12 months are going to be interesting for UK politics

(20 Sep 2014, 8:38 pm)marxistafozzski So do you think Mr Salmond could have had a better night had Gordon Brown not stepped in, it sounds like he saved better together. From what I read in papers and on the news a lot of people have said Salmond in mass-debating(sorry, my warped mind coming out)...

It is probably a bit of a lie to suggest one mans intervention swung it, but I bet it is not far from being true

(20 Sep 2014, 8:43 pm)aureolin I wouldn't say he saved better together, as Alistair Darling is another strong personality. But I think Brown was a wildcard that was played at just the right time.