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RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 15 Nov 2015
(15 Nov 2015, 2:25 pm)Michael He's an idiot, and people wonder why others have moved from supporting Labour to Conservative/UKIP etc... this nob will take us back to the dark ages.Who?
Murdoch or Jihadi Jez [SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH AND TIGHTLY-CLOSED EYES]
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Michael - 15 Nov 2015
(15 Nov 2015, 2:32 pm)MrFozz Who?
Murdoch or Jihadi Jez [SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH AND TIGHTLY-CLOSED EYES]
I thought he was on about Corbyn.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 15 Nov 2015
(15 Nov 2015, 2:39 pm)Michael I thought he was on about Corbyn.and so was I...
The Murdoch Gutter Press have labelled him Jihadi Jez
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 15 Nov 2015
(15 Nov 2015, 2:25 pm)Michael He's an idiot, and people wonder why others have moved from supporting Labour to Conservative/UKIP etc... this nob will take us back to the dark ages.
Must admit to thinking you were calling Murdoch.
Didn't Labour membership go up with Corbyn?
Regardless of your opinion on Corbyn, I would be sure you wouldn't put him in to the same category as Jihadi John.
(15 Nov 2015, 2:29 pm)MrFozz Corbyn cant win...it does not matter what he says, it will be twisted and turned into something it's not
'Jihadi Jez' thats not fair at all...
I do agree with Corbyn, it would have been better to bring Emwazi to justice, but that aint going to happen really
It was the same last week, when the press decided he didn't bow at the cenotaph.
They didn't bother highlighting the amount of time he spent speaking to veterans, rather than sit having a slap up meal like the rest of them did.
Totally agree about getting these war criminals into a court of law.
Whether it was the Bosnians, Serbs, Bush or Blair...
How practical that would be, is another thing.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Michael - 15 Nov 2015
(15 Nov 2015, 3:36 pm)Andreos1 Must admit to thinking you were calling Murdoch.
Didn't Labour membership go up with Corbyn?
Regardless of your opinion on Corbyn, I would be sure you wouldn't put him in to the same category as Jihadi John.
It was the same last week, when the press decided he didn't bow at the cenotaph.
They didn't bother highlighting the amount of time he spent speaking to veterans, rather than sit having a slap up meal like the rest of them did.
Totally agree about getting these war criminals into a court of law.
Whether it was the Bosnians, Serbs, Bush or Blair...
How practical that would be, is another thing.
No, jesus i know his bad but his not as bad as Jihadi John...
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 15 Nov 2015
(15 Nov 2015, 3:46 pm)Michael No, jesus i know his bad but his not as bad as Jihadi John...
Sky have put them in the same category though, by calling Corbyn 'Jihadi Jezza'.
Pretty libelous and the sort of thing that could influence those members of the public who can't see beyond the bias that some organisations spew out.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Michael - 16 Nov 2015
Jeremy Corbyn on how best to tackle IS and Syria: I want to defeat IS "by the unity of the people of Syria. That is a good step forward."
https://www.facebook.com/skynews/videos/1209448252403103/
I hope he never runs this country.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 16 Nov 2015
I may not be keen on Corbyn myself, but the witch hunt against him seems to be getting more intense, making statements that he would not press the Red Button if the time came, not singing the National Anthem, not bowing at the Cenotaph gives the gutter the ammo to tear him apart, no matter what my opinion is, it is getting nasty and very personal, comparing him to Mohammed Emwazi is stepping over the mark.
I believe Air Strikes should always be on the table as a response, but if using diplomatic deals can be done, it should be thought about
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 02 Dec 2015
(16 Nov 2015, 3:26 pm)MrFozz I may not be keen on Corbyn myself, but the witch hunt against him seems to be getting more intense, making statements that he would not press the Red Button if the time came, not singing the National Anthem, not bowing at the Cenotaph gives the gutter the ammo to tear him apart, no matter what my opinion is, it is getting nasty and very personal, comparing him to Mohammed Emwazi is stepping over the mark.
I believe Air Strikes should always be on the table as a response, but if using diplomatic deals can be done, it should be thought about
The press have been blaming Corbyn for backing down over the airstrikes and implying it is his fault if they actually happen via sensationalist headlines.
Despite lambasting him days previously for being against them.
Ignoring the fact it is Cameron and Fallon who are behind the whole airstrikes idea and are publically (Cameron in particular) stating it is to support their allies...
The public will fall for the media bias too.
That is the sad thing.
Corbyn did reveal his Dad was from Sunderland recently.
He has mackem connections just like Sturgeon!
On a different note, has anyone seen this about the Geordie KGB spy?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-34870934
I had heard of Abel, but had no idea of his local connections.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 02 Dec 2015
(02 Dec 2015, 9:31 am)Andreos1 The press have been blaming Corbyn for backing down over the airstrikes and implying it is his fault if they actually happen via sensationalist headlines.
Despite lambasting him days previously for being against them.
Ignoring the fact it is Cameron and Fallon who are behind the whole airstrikes idea and are publically (Cameron in particular) stating it is to support their allies...
The public will fall for the media bias too.
That is the sad thing.
Corbyn did reveal his Dad was from Sunderland recently.
He has mackem connections just like Sturgeon!
On a different note, has anyone seen this about the Geordie KGB spy?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-34870934
I had heard of Abel, but had no idea of his local connections.
Abel was from North Shields I think and went to Monkseaton High School, I think Mr Abel Sr. was running from Tsarists in the early 20th Century, Tom Hanks' new film is a decent film, worth a watch if your into things like that, The Bridge of Spies, it is about the Hollow Nickel Case and the shootdown of Francis Gary Powers U2 over Sverdlovsk and the efforts of Tom Hanks' character to initiate a spy swap at Gleinicke Bridge in Berlin.
When it comes to this area, at one time wasn't this area so socialist in there belief, that parts of the Area were called 'Little Russia' i'm sure somewhere like Chopwell got that name and that they have Karl Marx and Trotsky on there pit banner
As for the air strikes, personally, I am for them, and I am pleased Labour have a free vote rather than being whipped, and I am pleased we have a parliament of elected representatives who have to make a vote on these issues rather than just being told the RAF going to war.
I dont like the witch hunt that the press is on against Corbyn, saying things like he is a Jihadi is not just wrong, it is completely over the top, it is wrong, nasty and seems like over the top playground bullying. It seems the way this is going the press are trying to force him out or they are trying to initiate a coup within the Labour Party to try and oust him
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 02 Dec 2015
(02 Dec 2015, 10:17 am)MrFozz Abel was from North Shields I think and went to Monkseaton High School, I think Mr Abel Sr. was running from Tsarists in the early 20th Century, Tom Hanks' new film is a decent film, worth a watch if your into things like that, The Bridge of Spies, it is about the Hollow Nickel Case and the shootdown of Francis Gary Powers U2 over Sverdlovsk and the efforts of Tom Hanks' character to initiate a spy swap at Gleinicke Bridge in Berlin.
When it comes to this area, at one time wasn't this area so socialist in there belief, that parts of the Area were called 'Little Russia' i'm sure somewhere like Chopwell got that name and that they have Karl Marx and Trotsky on there pit banner
As for the air strikes, personally, I am for them, and I am pleased Labour have a free vote rather than being whipped, and I am pleased we have a parliament of elected representatives who have to make a vote on these issues rather than just being told the RAF going to war.
I dont like the witch hunt that the press is on against Corbyn, saying things like he is a Jihadi is not just wrong, it is completely over the top, it is wrong, nasty and seems like over the top playground bullying. It seems the way this is going the press are trying to force him out or they are trying to initiate a coup within the Labour Party to try and oust him
The perspective shown on RT is totally different to the stuff put out by the print and broadcast media.
Whether the media are targeting Corbyn directly or feeding the ignorance of the public, who knows.
Maybe it is both?
Hopefully they fail to realise the public can see between the lines and realise the daily attacks on him, are unjustified.
Cameron calling those who oppose the bombing, 'terrorist sympathisers', is where the media need to direct their attention.
That comment was disgusting.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Michael - 02 Dec 2015
(02 Dec 2015, 7:36 pm)Andreos1 The perspective shown on RT is totally different to the stuff put out by the print and broadcast media.
Whether the media are targeting Corbyn directly or feeding the ignorance of the public, who knows.
Maybe it is both?
Hopefully they fail to realise the public can see between the lines and realise the daily attacks on him, are unjustified.
Cameron calling those who oppose the bombing, 'terrorist sympathisers', is where the media need to direct their attention.
That comment was disgusting.
Not taking notice of it, they act like a bunch of 5 year old's when stuff like this comes up in Parliament... shouting at each other...
Cameron was out of order, Corbyn is a idiot, who if he gets in power will destroy this country with his backwards shite.
This is why i don't vote because the current government and their leaders are a bunch of idiots. Why?
Well during the election all they did was slag each other off, i did not once hear their proposals clearly, this was because after they would start some stupid argument over it or someone couldn't get their point across, yes its a debate but can we not have one election where they don't bicker and just tell us straight instead of bull shit, which they don't do anyway.....
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 02 Dec 2015
(02 Dec 2015, 7:48 pm)Michael Not taking notice of it, they act like a bunch of 5 year old's when stuff like this comes up in Parliament... shouting at each other...
Cameron was out of order, Corbyn is a idiot, who if he gets in power will destroy this country with his backwards shite.
This is why i don't vote because the current government and their leaders are a bunch of idiots. Why?
Well during the election all they did was slag each other off, i did not once hear their proposals clearly, this was because after they would start some stupid argument over it or someone couldn't get their point across, yes its a debate but can we not have one election where they don't bicker and just tell us straight instead of bull shit, which they don't do anyway.....
Shouting over others in Parliament is a disgrace imo. It may be a custom of the house, but no other work place would you get away with shouting a colleague down like that.
Which of Corbyn's policies do you think are backwards?
Not voting will never resolve anything. If you feel that strongly, then find a party, get involved, and contribute. I'd voted Green in the GE, but only because I couldn't vote for Ed Milliband, based on the party's stance on things like welfare and benefits at the time. I've since rejoined Labour, and became active again at a local level.
Parties will always slag each other off on the run up during an election, at least to the media. On a grassroots level, candidates will speak to residents directly on issues. Despite being out the house most of the day, I still spoke to 2 candidates. I'm not a fan of non-answers either mind. I'd prefer to just hear a yes or no.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 02 Dec 2015
(02 Dec 2015, 7:36 pm)Andreos1 The perspective shown on RT is totally different to the stuff put out by the print and broadcast media.The 'Terrorist Sympathiser' was beyond disgusting, it was vile and Cameron may have lost some votes by making that comment...
Whether the media are targeting Corbyn directly or feeding the ignorance of the public, who knows.
Maybe it is both?
Hopefully they fail to realise the public can see between the lines and realise the daily attacks on him, are unjustified.
Cameron calling those who oppose the bombing, 'terrorist sympathisers', is where the media need to direct their attention.
That comment was disgusting.
Is saying that about someone not Slanderous or does Parliamentary Privilige give an MP the right to say whatever the hell they want.
I don't like Corbyn, I dont know why, I just dont, but the campaign against is getting too personal and masty, but I respect him for sticking to his guns(no pun intended) on this and not once changing his mind.
It is good that we have a Parliament that requires a vote on these issues rather a government that tells us what is happening whether we like it or not.
Cameron can't really win on this, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, it doesn't matter how the vote goes, Cameron will get it in the neck either way...
What happens next, I do not know, is it inevitable that ground force will have to be assembled and in what form would that be? UN-led, NATO Led or Arab League Led, and ultimately who are we aligned with in this?
We could argue this till were blue in the face and still not come up with a resolution to the problem
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 02 Dec 2015
(02 Dec 2015, 9:00 pm)MrFozz The 'Terrorist Sympathiser' was beyond disgusting, it was vile and Cameron may have lost some votes by making that comment...
Is saying that about someone not Slanderous or does Parliamentary Privilige give an MP the right to say whatever the hell they want.
I don't like Corbyn, I dont know why, I just dont, but the campaign against is getting too personal and masty, but I respect him for sticking to his guns(no pun intended) on this and not once changing his mind.
It is good that we have a Parliament that requires a vote on these issues rather a government that tells us what is happening whether we like it or not.
Cameron can't really win on this, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, it doesn't matter how the vote goes, Cameron will get it in the neck either way...
What happens next, I do not know, is it inevitable that ground force will have to be assembled and in what form would that be? UN-led, NATO Led or Arab League Led, and ultimately who are we aligned with in this?
We could argue this till were blue in the face and still not come up with a resolution to the problem
Get your head around that if you can.
How the heck we are supposed to have boots on the ground, I don't know.
However good the RAF are, aerial bombardment can't solve this on its own.
Too many fingers in the pies as it stands.
Us getting involved, is only going to complicate things.
Said it before, stop the fuel, stop the supply of weapons, stop the flow of money and launch a cyber offensive.
I genuinely don't think you can beat this lot via traditional means.
Say we launch a precision attack on a convoy of vehicles - that we know 100% is carrying weapons and prominent ISIS members.
What is to stop ISIS then loading the damaged vehicles with civilians and using the images as part of their propaganda?
Mind, RT have just announced that 'recently' two RAF Tornado's collided in Scotland.
A quick google search will tell you when it actually happened.
They have also said that our precision Brimstone missiles fell off a Tornado, due to bad weather. They implied that the weather tonight could result in the missiles falling off and kill innocent civilians in Syria.
No mention of the bad landing that the aircraft had, that led to the missile detachment.
The propaganda works both ways it seems!
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 02 Dec 2015
(02 Dec 2015, 9:38 pm)Andreos1 Get your head around that if you can.
No thanks lol
(02 Dec 2015, 9:38 pm)Andreos1 How the heck we are supposed to have boots on the ground, I don't know.
However good the RAF are, aerial bombardment can't solve this on its own.
Too many fingers in the pies as it stands.
Us getting involved, is only going to complicate things.
I dont know, but boots will have to go in eventually to mop up, if that happened, maybe Arab League led UN style peacekeeping mission
(02 Dec 2015, 9:38 pm)Andreos1 Said it before, stop the fuel, stop the supply of weapons, stop the flow of money and launch a cyber offensive.
I genuinely don't think you can beat this lot via traditional means.
So we cut off there fuel, arms and money, would they not find it elsewhere, if we stop the weapons would there not be another dodgy arms all too happy to flog them weapons and in Cyber attacking, would they not just jump from 1 account to the next, getting back quickly after being took offline
(02 Dec 2015, 9:38 pm)Andreos1 Say we launch a precision attack on a convoy of vehicles - that we know 100% is carrying weapons and prominent ISIS members.
What is to stop ISIS then loading the damaged vehicles with civilians and using the images as part of their propaganda?
Why would ISIS do that, what propaganda value does that have if the World knows 100% it was an attack on a Daesh Convoy, if that was the case, what is there to stop them loading bombed out buildings in Raqqa with dead civilians
(02 Dec 2015, 9:38 pm)Andreos1 Mind, RT have just announced that 'recently' two RAF Tornado's collided in Scotland.
A quick google search will tell you when it actually happened.
They have also said that our precision Brimstone missiles fell off a Tornado, due to bad weather. They implied that the weather tonight could result in the missiles falling off and kill innocent civilians in Syria.
No mention of the bad landing that the aircraft had, that led to the missile detachment.
The propaganda works both ways it seems!
I remember something about Tornados colliding a while back, will check it out later about 18 months ago?
In a perfect world we would go drop a few bombs on the nasty daesh men, be done, go home and leave Syrian Civilians in peace...The world is not perfect and there will always be collateral damage.
It is a god awful shitty mess now...
It seems like nobody in the Middle East can deal with them, Assad certainly cannot, only the Kurds seem to have had any kind of success against Daesh.
Any diplomatic approach is out the question, they will never negotiate and they need to be stopped.
I dont fully understand it...
The amendment to block military action has just been defeated by 390 to 211
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 02 Dec 2015
And there we have it
397-223
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Michael - 02 Dec 2015
(02 Dec 2015, 10:31 pm)MrFozz And there we have it
397-223
Looking forward to the reaction of them voting yes.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 02 Dec 2015
I have linked to the 'Syria' thread from last time out.
http://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?tid=594&highlight=syria
I thought it was relevant to this discussion.
Whatever our thoughts are on action, I think we all wish each and everyone of the lads and lasses heading out there, the best of luck.
However, those who are in favour of action and against the tide of migrants and refugees coming to Europe, whether a politician or member of the public - I hope you see the irony in it all.
This military action will only bring more people towards Europe, looking for a safe place to live.
Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 03 Dec 2015
The list of Labour MP's who voted foru Syrian Airstrikes
Full list: The Labour MPs who supported military action
Heidi Alexander, Ian Austin, Adrian Bailey, Kevin Barron, Margaret Beckett, Hilary Benn, Luciana Berger, Tom Blenkinsop, Ben Bradshaw, Chris Bryant, Alan Campbell, Jenny Chapman, Vernon Coaker, Ann Coffey, Yvette Cooper, Neil Coyle, Mary Creagh, Stella Creasy,Simon Danczuk, Wayne David, Gloria De Piero, Stephen Doughty, Jim Dowd, Michael Dugher, Angela Eagle, Maria Eagle, Louise Ellman, Frank Field, Jim Fitzpatrick, Colleen Fletcher, Caroline Flint, Harriet Harman, Margaret Hodge, George Howarth, Tristram Hunt, Dan Jarvis, Alan Johnson, Graham Jones, Helen Jones, Kevan Jones, Susan Elan Jones, Liz Kendall, Dr Peter Kyle, Chris Leslie, Holly Lynch, Siobhain McDonagh,Pat McFadden, Conor McGinn, Alison McGovern, Bridget Phillipson, Jamie Reed, Emma Reynolds, Geoffrey Robinson, Joan Ryan, Lucy Powell, Ruth Smeeth, Angela Smith, John Spellar, Gisela StuartGareth Thomas, Anna Turley, Chuka Umunna, Keith Vaz, Tom Watson, Phil Wilson and John Woodcock