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RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 30 Oct 2014
Goes to show that Scargill was right, and the public were allowed to be conned by yet another Tory/Thatcher cover up. Even more evidence that we need proper independent enquiries into Orgreave and Shrewsbury 24 too.
Here's a question though. These findings about the Tories misleading the public in the 80s would have ultimately gained the public support for them implementing the disgraceful restrictions to Trade Unions, in the form of the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992. Maybe this is enough proof that these unnecessary restrictions need to be abolished, and once again allow workers the freedom to fight for decent pay and conditions.
Re: RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 30 Oct 2014
(30 Oct 2014, 6:59 pm)aureolin Goes to show that Scargill was right, and the public were allowed to be conned by yet another Tory/Thatcher cover up. Even more evidence that we need proper independent enquiries into Orgreave and Shrewsbury 24 too.Shrewsbury 24...Is that the campaign Ricky Tomlinson supports after he and some of his pals were sent to jail in the 70's and isnt all this coming at a time when some staunch trade unionists were supposedly blacklisted by building firms to keep troublemakers away or at least make it difficult for them to find employment...
Here's a question though. These findings about the Tories misleading the public in the 80s would have ultimately gained the public support for them implementing the disgraceful restrictions to Trade Unions, in the form of the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992. Maybe this is enough proof that these unnecessary restrictions need to be abolished, and once again allow workers the freedom to fight for decent pay and conditions.
Orgreave was shocking, but I reckon Arthur Scargill brought a bit trouble on by himself, just by being there, if I remember correctly Scargill was centre stage and end up with the polis pinching him...
The Rise and Fall of Arthur Scargill
What a difference 30 years makes, Scargill is now supposedly a recluse with very little friends...
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 30 Oct 2014
(30 Oct 2014, 7:30 pm)marxistafozzski Shrewsbury 24...Is that the campaign Ricky Tomlinson supports after he and some of his pals were sent to jail in the 70's and isnt all this coming at a time when some staunch trade unionists were supposedly blacklisted by building firms to keep troublemakers away or at least make it difficult for them to find employment...
Orgreave was shocking, but I reckon Arthur Scargill brought a bit trouble on by himself, just by being there, if I remember correctly Scargill was centre stage and end up with the polis pinching him...
The Rise and Fall of Arthur Scargill
What a difference 30 years makes, Scargill is now supposedly a recluse with very little friends...
I dunno mate... I guess if I was in the same situation on the picket line, I'd want my general secretary standing in front and leading the membership. It wouldn't happen these days of course, with the mass restrictions on Trade Unions and picketing. I've stood and taken abuse on picket lines, and you literally can't say a thing back to them, or you'll be hauled in for breaching picketing laws. Of course those abusing you would only be ticked off under the public order act.
Ricky Tomlinson was one of the pickets arrested in Shrewsbury, and fronts the Shrewsbury 24 campaign. He spoke during a fringe event at my union's conference this year, and there was standing room only.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 30 Oct 2014
(30 Oct 2014, 8:24 pm)aureolin I dunno mate... I guess if I was in the same situation on the picket line, I'd want my general secretary standing in front and leading the membership. It wouldn't happen these days of course, with the mass restrictions on Trade Unions and picketing. I've stood and taken abuse on picket lines, and you literally can't say a thing back to them, or you'll be hauled in for breaching picketing laws. Of course those abusing you would only be ticked off under the public order act.
Ricky Tomlinson was one of the pickets arrested in Shrewsbury, and fronts the Shrewsbury 24 campaign. He spoke during a fringe event at my union's conference this year, and there was standing room only.
Was he any good?
Missed him at the gala last year.
Was stood chatting on the racecourse, not realising I was smack bang in the middle of the area the guests etc walk by to get to the stage.
Saw a fella who looked like him, didn't think anything of it - until he was seated on the stage.
I needed to scoot off and missed his speech.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 30 Oct 2014
(30 Oct 2014, 9:06 pm)Andreos1 Was he any good?
Missed him at the gala last year.
Was stood chatting on the racecourse, not realising I was smack bang in the middle of the area the guests etc walk by to get to the stage.
Saw a fella who looked like him, didn't think anything of it - until he was seated on the stage.
I needed to scoot off and missed his speech.
I didn't hang around for it, but I regret not doing so! Everyone I spoke to say his speech was very impressive. Had people in both laughter and in tears.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Michael - 31 Oct 2014
Just got a letter from Bridget Phillipson.... asking me to go to a coffee morning... also there was a questionnaire about how she is doing tackling anti-social behaviour...
Honest... only time i get kids next to mine is when Sandhill View is coming up or like now during the holidays... doesn't bother me at all.
And everyone else in my street... i rarely see them
Re: RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 31 Oct 2014
(31 Oct 2014, 3:52 pm)Michael Just got a letter from Bridget Phillipson.... asking me to go to a coffee morning... also there was a questionnaire about how she is doing tackling anti-social behaviour...Would like my MP to invite round for tea and biscuits(jaffa cakes and chocolate hob nobs)
Honest... only time i get kids next to mine is when Sandhill View is coming up or like now during the holidays... doesn't bother me at all.
And everyone else in my street... i rarely see them
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 31 Oct 2014
@Michael
You could ask Bridget about her big bus campaign and QCS!
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Michael - 31 Oct 2014
(31 Oct 2014, 4:15 pm)Andreos1 @Michael
You could ask Bridget about her big bus campaign and QCS!
Haha, might have a long wait.. it's on the 22nd November... busy that day..
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 31 Oct 2014
(31 Oct 2014, 4:19 pm)Michael Haha, might have a long wait.. it's on the 22nd November... busy that day..
Drop her a message. She's very approachable and I'm sure would fit you in if you wanted a chat.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MurdnunoC - 01 Nov 2014
Following on from earlier discussions about Labour's pledge to raise the National Minimum Wage to £8 per hour by 2020; one thousand companies are pledging to adopt the Living Wage, increasing on Monday, leading to a pay rise for some 60,000 workers.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/01/pay-rise-workers-living-wage-rate
A step in the right direction.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 03 Nov 2014
Over 200,000 have now signed the petition to include the Green Party in the live TV debates for 2015: http://www.change.org/p/bbc-itv-channel-4-sky-include-the-green-party-in-the-tv-leaders-debates-ahead-of-the-2015-general-election
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 03 Nov 2014
What would be the criteria to join the debates? Will it be open to parties who represented in Parliament otherwise could a party like the BNP ask to take part?
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 03 Nov 2014
(03 Nov 2014, 8:15 pm)marxistafozzski What would be the criteria to join the debates? Will it be open to parties who represented in Parliament otherwise could a party like the BNP ask to take part?
I think there should be two factors. First being that you are already represented in parliament, and the second being opinion polls. That would make a 5 way debate of Labour, Tories, UKIP, Greens and Lib Dems, now that the Greens are ahead of the Lib Dems!
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/30/greens-ahead-liberal-democrats-yougov-poll-bbc-tv-leader-debate
Regional debates should always have regional parties represented, i.e. Plaid Cymru in Wales, and SNP in Scotland.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MurdnunoC - 03 Nov 2014
(03 Nov 2014, 8:23 pm)aureolin I think there should be two factors. First being that you are already represented in parliament, and the second being opinion polls. That would make a 5 way debate of Labour, Tories, UKIP, Greens and Lib Dems, now that the Greens are ahead of the Lib Dems!
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/30/greens-ahead-liberal-democrats-yougov-poll-bbc-tv-leader-debate
Regional debates should always have regional parties represented, i.e. Plaid Cymru in Wales, and SNP in Scotland.
Although I appreciate it's probably infeasible, I think any party (or individual) willing to cough up the £500 deposit needed to stand for election should be entitled to argue their case in front of a televised public forum.
This is a fundamental tenet of democratised politics. Having to meet criteria based upon the number of MP's and opinion polls is deeply undemocratic in my opinion. How is an unfunded, upstart, grassroots (fringe) party ever going to their message across to a wider audience if they are deemed unworthy of participation by those already embedded within the established order?
This is why politics needs to change in this country!
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 04 Nov 2014
Unite are reporting that an employment tribunal has just ruled that overtime should be taken into account when calculating holiday pay. Massive ruling.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MurdnunoC - 04 Nov 2014
(04 Nov 2014, 10:55 am)aureolin Unite are reporting that an employment tribunal has just ruled that overtime should be taken into account when calculating holiday pay. Massive ruling.
I saw this on the news earlier.
I'll be whacking my claim in as soon as the dust has settled.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 09 Nov 2014
A bit light reading for you all.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29951222
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MurdnunoC - 09 Nov 2014
(09 Nov 2014, 9:53 am)Andreos1 A bit light reading for you all.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29951222
It's interesting to note that notions of central planning exist in most major corporations. A certain amount of autonomy/decentralisation once existed which allowed companies to freely adapt and function based upon locational demands. But any such freedom is now constricted as 'Head Offices' seek rigid uniformity throughout.
I'm not attempting to argue whether this is a good or a bad thing, just highlighting the parity between corporate and communist regimes and how central planning can be seen as a good thing.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 10 Nov 2014
Keep forgetting to upload a photo of the proposed salary increases being put forward to union members.
The photo is seemingly too big to upload from my phone, so will try later if I remember on.
@AdamY
I agree.
Local autonomy is seemingly being taken away or reduced, in favour of things being processed centrally.
The local, specialised knowledge often ignored and left to those hundreds of miles away.