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RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 08 Jun 2017
http://www.ukpublicrevenue.co.uk/past_revenue
I suppose the simplistic view would say that revenue increases and maintains a course that is higher when a number of industries are nationalised.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 08 Jun 2017
I spoilt the ballot paper in the end
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RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - S813 FVK - 08 Jun 2017
Exit poll puts Tories 12 short of a majority at 314 seats, labour at 266, lib dems at 14, UKIP at 0, SNP at 34 (a large decrease from 56) eith other parties getting 22 seats.
If the tories do indeed fall short of a majority, it will be interesting who they team up with.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 08 Jun 2017
(08 Jun 2017, 9:06 pm)S813 FVK Exit poll puts Tories 12 short of a majority at 314 seats, labour at 266, lib dems at 14, UKIP at 0, SNP at 34 (a large decrease from 56) eith other parties getting 22 seats.
If the tories do indeed fall short of a majority, it will be interesting who they team up with.
They could still be the largest party and not govern. Only the spineless Liberals will work with them, and I'd be surprised if they gain the 14 seats they're predicting.
Lets see some proper results first though
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - LeeCalder - 09 Jun 2017
Looking more like it's going to be a hung parliament at this stage
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Michael - 09 Jun 2017
(09 Jun 2017, 3:44 am)LeeCalder Looking more like it's going to be a hung parliament at this stage
She really screwed up, she thought she would easily win....
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - S813 FVK - 09 Jun 2017
I knew that she was not going to get the result that she wanted, but i would never thought that it would be this bad.
This could be the end of her unelected leadership of the Conservatives, as with Nicola Sturgeon for the SNP.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 09 Jun 2017
My comment: May tried to strengthen her hand to force through what she wanted, gambled and has lost.
I think she is quite determined to get her own way and by calling an election, she thought the electorate would back her and give her free reign. She made the election about herself.
However, the campaign was terrible from start to finish. She struggled to answer questions, struggled to put an argument together without a script and it has backfired on her, the Tories, Brexit and the country.
We have seen the pound drop as speculators gamble and we see multinational organisations ready to boom following the drop in the pound.
I can see it going down like a lead balloon in Stormont if the DUP get a voice in parliament.
To balance the comment out, labour cannot work in a coalition or alliance and make it a success. If they do form a coalition or alliance, I can see them suffering in years to come. Just like the lib Dems.
If another election is called, Corbyn needs to keep the momentum going, hope that students continue to vote, that others maintain their enthusiasm to vote and that people see through the tory shambles.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Pulsar - 09 Jun 2017
Massive error in Judgement making the tory campaign all about May as a Strong and Stable leader. Instead her complete lack of personality has shone through. She was uncomfortable answering questions and refused to attend debates. Thinking she had the election in the bag probably didn't do her any favours.
On the other hand, it seems Corbyn's manifesto has been popular particularly with younger voters.
However at this point who knows what will happen... its all a big mess.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 09 Jun 2017
(09 Jun 2017, 5:04 am)Michael She really screwed up, she thought she would easily win....Everything pointed to a massive Tory win about 6-8 weeks ago, they were 20+ points ahead.
As said on the BBC, Mays gamble has backfired in spectacular fashion.
I reckon May will be Prime Minister for the meantime, Arlene Foster is probably vital to Mays plans.
My opinion is Theresa May will form a Government with the DUP backing her, having the DUP onside gives her the magical 326, how long that can last I do not know, 6 months, maybe a year. Things like not doing the debates has jumped up and bit her.
I wonder how Northern Irelands Republicans will react to the Unionists having so much power right now.
As for the SNP, still the largest party North of the Border, but had a bad night, was surprised to see so many Tory gains in Scotland, Alex Salmond and Angus Robertson losing there seats is massive.
For Labour, Corbyn needs the support of every other party whereas May only needs the DUP.
The Tories managed to wipe out a majority of over 3000 down to about 500 in constituency
I dont fully understand it enough, I will leave the politics to people like Adrian to explain
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 09 Jun 2017
May is off to Buckingham Palace according to reports.
Should we all chip in (I reckon we could cobble together 6.8p) to buy her some breakfast?
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Ds1197 - 09 Jun 2017
Labour did way better then I expected them to. Labour last the election but gained the most seats and Scotland kinda a saved the Conservatives in this election.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 09 Jun 2017
(09 Jun 2017, 8:38 am)MrFozz Everything pointed to a massive Tory win about 6-8 weeks ago, they were 20+ points ahead.
As said on the BBC, Mays gamble has backfired in spectacular fashion.
I reckon May will be Prime Minister for the meantime, Arlene Foster is probably vital to Mays plans.
My opinion is Theresa May will form a Government with the DUP backing her, having the DUP onside gives her the magical 326, how long that can last I do not know, 6 months, maybe a year. Things like not doing the debates has jumped up and bit her.
I wonder how Northern Irelands Republicans will react to the Unionists having so much power right now.
As for the SNP, still the largest party North of the Border, but had a bad night, was surprised to see so many Tory gains in Scotland, Alex Salmond and Angus Robertson losing there seats is massive.
For Labour, Corbyn needs the support of every other party whereas May only needs the DUP.
The Tories managed to wipe out a majority of over 3000 down to about 500 in constituency
I dont fully understand it enough, I will leave the politics to people like Adrian to explain
https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/44770/The+DUP+racist%2C+homophobic%2C+anti+abortion+bigots+with+a+history+of+violence
More on the DUP.
The less said about Arlene Foster, the better.
I would recommend reading about the Green Energy fiasco.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - LeeCalder - 09 Jun 2017
Wouldn't be happy with the DUP to be honest, very, very controversial. They have insisted on blocking equal marriage rights consistently for the last five years in Northern Ireland.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Jamie M - 09 Jun 2017
Lisabela Zxywhiddm Marschild's "Space Navies Party" received 81 votes in Blaydon.
...what
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RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 09 Jun 2017
(09 Jun 2017, 9:44 am)Andreos1 https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/44770/The+DUP+racist%2C+homophobic%2C+anti+abortion+bigots+with+a+history+of+violence
More on the DUP.
The less said about Arlene Foster, the better.
I would recommend reading about the Green Energy fiasco.
Isn't that what brought Stormont to it's knees earlier this with the Shinners walking out of Government.
How will Sinn Fein react to the DUP being able to seemingly hold May to Ransom? They cant be any kind of excitement from them at that prospect.
So when do people think the next Election will be? 6 months, 1 year, cant see this Parliament going till 2020 or 2022
When will Tory Backbenchers declare no confidence in Mrs May?
I think Jeremy Corbyn is now in a position if he holds on, he could win an election in the next 6-12 months, or at least become the largest party in a hung parliament
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RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 09 Jun 2017
(09 Jun 2017, 10:46 am)Jamie M Lisabela Zxywhiddm Marschild's "Space Navies Party" received 81 votes in Blaydon.
...what
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I forgot about that.
Here's her election literature....
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Jamie M - 09 Jun 2017
(09 Jun 2017, 10:54 am)Andreos1 I forgot about that.I thought it was an invitation to a kid's party or something when it came through the door.
Here's her election literature....
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RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 09 Jun 2017
(09 Jun 2017, 10:50 am)MrFozz Isn't that what brought Stormont to it's knees earlier this with the Shinners walking out of Government.
How will Sinn Fein react to the DUP being able to seemingly hold May to Ransom? They cant be any kind of excitement from them at that prospect.
So when do people think the next Election will be? 6 months, 1 year, cant see this Parliament going till 2020 or 2022
When will Tory Backbenchers declare no confidence in Mrs May?
I think Jeremy Corbyn is now in a position if he holds on, he could win an election in the next 6-12 months, or at least become the largest party in a hung parliament
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A few MP's have said they think May should stand down. I think Anna Soubry was one.
We will find out what Sinn Fein think in a moment. They're about to hold a press conference.
And yes, Arlene Foster's energy scheme is the reason they gave for standin down earlier in the year.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - James101 - 09 Jun 2017
(09 Jun 2017, 11:22 am)Jamie M I thought it was an invitation to a kid's party or something when it came through the door.
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In the area I live the local looney, sorry - independent candidate, was Barbara Fielding. I nearly choked on my cornflakes when her campaign leaflet landed on my door mat last week. 'Vote Barbara Fielding to regain our white European supremacy'.
It's fantastic we live in a society where we are all free to express our views through democracy, but where do you draw the line? By dictating what people can say during an election you'll be damaging the principles of democracy? Do we just have to trust people won't vote for a bona-fide fruit loop? Perhaps not, as 210 people voted for Babs - up from 131 since February (the by-election caused by Tristram Hunt's resignation).
Her 'manifesto' is good for a laugh - and potentially a cry:
https://abolishmcrm.com/party-constitution-and-manifesto/
I'm surprised she hasn't been picked up by the media more - not that we should ever let her think her views have any legitimacy.