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RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - BusLoverMum - 13 Jan 2019

(12 Jan 2019, 11:21 pm)Adrian Service 56 Durham to Bishop Auckland
• Some minor retiming of up to 5 minutes on some journeys.
• Outbound journeys from Durham to operate via Hallgarth St rather than Church St in a further attempt to address punctuality concerns.

Service 57/57A Durham to Kelloe/Hartlepool
• Some minor retiming of up to 5 minutes on some journeys.
• Outbound journeys from Durham to operate via Hallgarth St rather than Church St in a further attempt to address punctuality concerns.

Service X12 Durham to Middlesbrough
• Outbound journeys from Durham to operate via Hallgarth St rather than Church St in a further attempt to address punctuality concerns.

So there'll be no stop between the Three Tuns stop on the Old Elvet/New Elvet junction and Maiden Castle on all 56/57/57A/X12 outbound journeys, as there isn't a stop on Hallgarth Street. The 6 will continue to serve Church Street and South Road, but there'll not be a bus observing the Palatine Centre (Science Site) anymore on outbound trips.

That'll confuse a lot of students. 

And completely wreck the pokemon experience.

(13 Jan 2019, 12:35 pm)Jimmi Hoping that means some of the other Darlington services will also have issues with punctuality in the afternoon resolved as it's been rather dire for a while now, just no longer possible to get from Darlington Town Centre to Harrowgate Hill in 12 minutes on a afternoon anymore (17 minutes late afternoon)

Would imagine similar changes would be implemented to the 5A on evenings and Sundays as the frequency combines with the 7 between Darlington and Newton Aycliffe.

Only the first afternoon Framwellgate Moor trip really picked anybody up from my experiences anyway and odd Fram - Durham passenger.

Not a surprise, since all the frM extensions seem to operate within a few minutes of each other. Unless someone has a route specific ticket. The only benefit if catching a particular bus is avoiding having to cross high Carr road or Finchale Road at rush hours.


Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 15 Jan 2019

New times now on Traveline for changes effective from February 17th, some info about changes to Darlington services that I spotted:

1 - the evening and Sunday service 1B is withdrawn and replaced with the daytime service 1 route.

5/5A - evening and Sunday journeys now running as service 5 instead of 5A to replace the 1B along Redworth Road and parts of Byerley Road in Shildon.

X21 - on weekdays the first Peterlee to Sunderland departure will now be 08:44, returning from Sunderland at 09:20 and the last Sunderland bound trip will be at 15:44 from Peterlee and 16:20 from Sunderland, Saturday journeys will not be cut on Peterlee - Sunderland section. Additional running time between Newton Aycliffe and Sedgefield will be removed on some journeys.

Other than all that, think it's mostly just things like timing changes and the odd journey being withdrawn here and there. Imagine some interworking patterns on evenings and Sundays at Darlington will change judging by changes to timings.


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - RobinHood - 15 Jan 2019

Apparently Service X1/1/5/5A will all interworking, with Service 12 going standalone and Service 19 interworking with Service 3


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Adrian - 15 Jan 2019

(13 Jan 2019, 11:55 pm)BusLoverMum That'll confuse a lot of students. 

It sure will.

I've done this outward journey three times now this week, at different times of the day. A total of 53 passengers, the vast majority of which were on board before the three tuns stop, then alighted at either the New Inn or Science site across these journeys. I appreciate that they can still use the 6 for this journey, but that is quite an extra strain to put on the peak journeys for example. 

The 56/57/57A/X12 should have been sent through Hallgarth Street a long time ago, but there was always resistance based on the claim that the New Inn is one of the most popular stops. Either that has changed overnight, or I wonder if this is an attempt to leverage some extra funding out of the University, perhaps to run a campus shuttle?


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Andreos1 - 15 Jan 2019

(15 Jan 2019, 10:51 am)Jimmi New times now on Traveline for changes effective from February 17th, some info about changes to Darlington services that I spotted:

1 - the evening and Sunday service 1B is withdrawn and replaced with the daytime service 1 route.

5/5A - evening and Sunday journeys now running as service 5 instead of 5A to replace the 1B along Redworth Road and parts of Byerley Road in Shildon.

X21 - on weekdays the first Peterlee to Sunderland departure will now be 08:44, returning from Sunderland at 09:20 and the last Sunderland bound trip will be at 15:44 from Peterlee and 16:20 from Sunderland, Saturday journeys will not be cut on Peterlee - Sunderland section. Additional running time between Newton Aycliffe and Sedgefield will be removed on some journeys.

Other than all that, think it's mostly just things like timing changes and the odd journey being withdrawn here and there. Imagine some interworking patterns on evenings and Sundays at Darlington will change judging by changes to timings.

That X21 move is interesting, especially as they're missing out the peaks between Sunderland and Peterlee.
Not enough demand on the corridor, a sign they're just keeping their toes in or something else?


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - S830OFT - 15 Jan 2019

(15 Jan 2019, 7:05 pm)Adrian It sure will.

I've done this outward journey three times now this week, at different times of the day. A total of 53 passengers, the vast majority of which were on board before the three tuns stop, then alighted at either the New Inn or Science site across these journeys. I appreciate that they can still use the 6 for this journey, but that is quite an extra strain to put on the peak journeys for example. 

The 56/57/57A/X12 should have been sent through Hallgarth Street a long time ago, but there was always resistance based on the claim that the New Inn is one of the most popular stops. Either that has changed overnight, or I wonder if this is an attempt to leverage some extra funding out of the University, perhaps to run a campus shuttle?

There is already the Scarlet Band S1...


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - RobinHood - 16 Jan 2019

(15 Jan 2019, 10:48 pm)Andreos1 That X21 move is interesting, especially as they're missing out the peaks between Sunderland and Peterlee.
Not enough demand on the corridor, a sign they're just keeping their toes in or something else?

I believe the ED4 is moving to Darlington depot operation, essentially using the bus that would otherwise run those peak journeys.

Probably ensures that most of all of the costs are covered and the off peak X21 doesn't actually cost that much to run anymore.


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Kuyoyo - 16 Jan 2019

Timetables are now starting to appear on-line:

Teesside

5/5a: 5a cut back to Guisborough, serving Hutton Gate and Rectory Lane. 5s diverted to serve Hollybush at all times

8: Changes to the weekday afternoon timetable - after 1440, journeys will operate every 10 minutes from both ends (the 1459 from Netherfields runs School Holidays only) until 1644 from the Bus Station (from Netherfields, frequency reduces to every 20 minutes after 1600) when it reduces to every 12 minutes until 1732, then 1745 and 1815. Evening times are revised to run 5 minutes earlier at xx45. Saturday timetable is unchanged until 1745 when the new evening times come into effect (1800 replaced by the revised 1815). Sunday journeys are retimed to run 5 minutes earlier throughout the day at xx15 and xx45.

9: Revised weekday afternoon timetable - after 1440, departures from Middlesbrough will be an uneven 20 minute then 15 minute frequency until 1610 (so 1440 1500 1515 1535 1550 1610) when it reverts to the present times until the 1735. The last two departures on weekdays are retimed - the 1755 from Middlesbrough will now depart at 1800, while the 1815 will run 15 minutes later at 1830. Likewise, the last two journeys on a Saturday will also now be 1800 and 1830 (presently 1750 and 1810). Sunday journeys are unchanged

15: A few minor changes to the timetable. The weekday 0803 from Roseworth to Bassleton Court is withdrawn

17/17a/X17: Weekday school and peak time journeys revised - the 17s at 1530 (to Ingleby Barwick), 1600 (to Kingsmead) and 1630 (Ingleby Barwick) and the 1545 and 1615 17As will run 5 minutes later than present. After the 1650 17a (unchanged), departures will now be every 7/8 minutes between the 17, 17a and X17 - at 1703 (X17), 1710 (17 - presently 1705), 1718 (X17 - currently 1725), 1725 (17a - retimed from 1720), 1733 (X17 - currently 1745) and 1740 (17 - currently 1735) before reverting to the unchanged 1755 17a. The last 17 to Kingsmead will now depart at 1815 (currently 1805) and run 10 minutes later until Ingleby Barwick Sober Hall, arriving at Kingsmead 8 minutes later than present. Evening journeys now run 5 minutes earlier.
Saturday daytimes are unchanged - the evening journeys run 5 minutes earlier. Sunday journeys are unchanged except that the last departure from Middlesbrough, presently 1935 (the odd one out) will now depart at 1930.

28/28a: Revised route - reverting to serve Easterside and Marton Manor rather than direct via Marton Road. As such, journeys now depart Middlesbrough 5 minutes earlier during the day.

29/29a: 29a is withdrawn, the 29 is instead diverted via Saltersgill, no longer serving Grove Hill. The evening journeys continue to serve Nunthorpe - except the 1755 (now 1750 on Saturdays) which will terminate at Cypress Road and commence from there at 1835. The two remaining Nunthorpe-bound journeys, and the single inbound journey, will now run at xx45 (1845 and 1945) from Middlesbrough and xx29 from Nunthopre (1929) in-line with the Sunday daytime times.

X22: A new weekday morning journey is introduced from North Tees Hospital to Middlesbrough at 0641.

X66/X67/66: More or less, this reverts back to the pre-May 2018 timetable, with 4 X66/X67 departures from Faverdale on a morning and 5 at peak/evening to Faverdale. The 2125 from Darlington to Stockton is withdrawn, however the old 66 departure at the same time is NOT re-instated. Likewise, the Saturday morning X67 from Stockton to Darlington at 0824 is withdrawn.

805: The morning journey is retimed to run 10 minutes later at 0808 - this now appears to revert to being a Sapphire working running onto a 5a at Swans Corner towards Middlesbrough at 0830.

Darlington

1/1b: All 1B journeys are replaced by journeys on the 1. Sunday journeys from Darlington will run 5 minutes earlier than present.

2: Evening journeys from Red Hall are retimed by a minute or so until 2117. The 2117 from Red Hall on weekdays will now serve Allington Way, and as such, all remaining departures from Red Hall will run 6 minutes later than present. From Branksome, evening journeys are unchanged until 2130, when journeys will run 5 minutes later. On Saturdays, the 0708 from Branksome and the 2017 departure from Red Hall will serve the Business Park, and all evening journeys after 2030 will run 5 or so minutes later. Likewise, the 0808 from Branksome on Sundays and the 2017 from Red Hall on Sundays will also serve the Business Park.

3/3a/3b: It appears all journeys will now run as 3s, regardless of where it starts/terminates. Short Skerne Park-Town Centre journeys are re-introduced replacing the current 3b journeys. Harrowgate Hill-bound journeys now operate via Albert Hill instead of North Road, while Fitzwilliam Drive loses its service. Likewise, the evening and Sunday journeys to Mowden are withdrawn.

4: Evening journeys reduced to hourly

5/5a: Evening/Sunday journeys now operate as 5s rather than 5As, in-line with the changes to the 1.

7: The morning timetable is revised - the 0651 from Newton Aycliffe will now start in Darlington at 0627 (Aycliffe at 0650) while the 0715 from Newton Aycliffe to Framwellgate Moor is withdrawn. Evening journeys now run 5 minutes later from Durham (at xx25). The 2325 from Durham will now terminate at Newton Aycliffe Town Centre. 

12: Appears now to be a stand-alone working - the shorts from Huworth will terminate at the Town Hall (rather than Tubwell Row). A one-way loop of Huworth has been adopted.

13a/13b: Saturday timetable is revised - each route will run every 12 minutes for a combined 6 minute frequency from half 8 onwards.

X1: Extra time is being added - outbound journeys will leave Darlington at the same times as present (xx00 to Tow Law, xx30 to Crook), Crook will be reached between 6 (on Tow Law journeys) and 8 (on short journeys) minutes later. Journeys from Tow Law will depart from there 10 minutes later than present, while Crook starting journeys will depart 8 minutes later. All Darlington-bound journeys will leave Bishop Auckland 10 minutes later than present, and arrival into Darlington will be 14 minutes later than present. The journey which extends to Stanhope in term time will now depart Darlington at 1635 (presently 1640).

X21


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Adrian - 16 Jan 2019

(15 Jan 2019, 11:04 pm)S830OFT There is already the Scarlet Band S1...

The S1 originates from the opposite direction...

And for some reason, its not that well used? Maybe the fares are higher or something, but I tend to see it go straight past with 2 or 3 folk on at most.


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - BusLoverMum - 16 Jan 2019

(16 Jan 2019, 5:46 pm)Adrian The S1 originates from the opposite direction...

And for some reason, its not that well used? Maybe the fares are higher or something, but I tend to see it go straight past with 2 or 3 folk on at most.

Students will probably have the pass that is the most useful to them. Only those living in Gilesgate will benefit from the s1.


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Adrian - 16 Jan 2019

(16 Jan 2019, 6:34 pm)BusLoverMum Students will probably have the pass that is the most useful to them. Only those living in Gilesgate will benefit from the s1.

The beauty of a fragmented bus network, ey?  Big Grin


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Cock Robin - 18 Jan 2019

5/5a: 5a cut back to Guisborough, serving Hutton Gate and Rectory Lane. 5s diverted to serve Hollybush at all times


What happened to the X5 then?!


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Kuyoyo - 18 Jan 2019

(18 Jan 2019, 2:01 pm)Cock Robin 5/5a: 5a cut back to Guisborough, serving Hutton Gate and Rectory Lane. 5s diverted to serve Hollybush at all times


What happened to the X5 then?!

No timetable on the website yet - according to the app, there appears to be 2 PM journeys from Middlesbrough at 1647 and 1722. Likewise, 2 am journeys from Easington at 0702 and 0732, arriving into Middlesbrough at 0807 and 0837.

Another small change on the 5 is the withdrawal of the first two departures from Easington - the 0500 trip run by Redcar and the 0548 trip.


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tyresmoke - 18 Jan 2019

(18 Jan 2019, 2:10 pm)Kuyoyo No timetable on the website yet - according to the app, there appears to be 2 PM journeys from Middlesbrough at 1647 and 1722. Likewise, 2 am journeys from Easington at 0702 and 0732, arriving into Middlesbrough at 0807 and 0837.

Another small change on the 5 is the withdrawal of the first two departures from Easington - the 0500 trip run by Redcar and the 0548 trip.

Only the 0548 appears to have been removed. The Redcar early one is still there, leaving at 0458. The next departure is at 0611, giving over an hour gap.


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - RobinHood - 18 Jan 2019

(18 Jan 2019, 6:47 pm)tyresmoke Only the 0548 appears to have been removed. The Redcar early one is still there, leaving at 0458. The next departure is at 0611, giving over an hour gap.

It looks like an error, as there appears to be an 0611 and 0616 from Easington? Yet they arrive into Middlesbrough 30 minutes apart.


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tvd - 19 Jan 2019

(18 Jan 2019, 2:01 pm)Cock Robin 5/5a: 5a cut back to Guisborough, serving Hutton Gate and Rectory Lane. 5s diverted to serve Hollybush at all times


What happened to the X5 then?!

I must be looking in the wrong place as cant see the new timetables on either the website or the app. But from what has been said it looks like they're doing something similar to whats been tried before - a short 5 only going to Guisborough, the long one going full distance. However, it does seem puzzling that as the reason given for changes was difficulty for the 5 to keep to time, am not sure how adding few extra passengers and diverting through Hollybush will help that. I wonder if only the 5A goes down Stokesley Road past the Voyager pub, leaving the 5 to follow the X93 route out of Guisborough onto the A171? Might save a few minutes I guess.

Still no word of a new bus to Skelton Asda and no express service to Middlesbrough during the day, but am told those things are under consideration for the future.


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Kuyoyo - 19 Jan 2019

(19 Jan 2019, 11:40 am)tvd I must be looking in the wrong place as cant see the new timetables on either the website or the app.  But from what has been said it looks like they're doing something similar to whats been tried before - a short 5 only going to Guisborough, the long one going full distance.  However, it does seem puzzling that as the reason given for changes was difficulty for the 5 to keep to time, am not sure how adding  few extra passengers and diverting through Hollybush will help that.  I wonder if only the 5A goes down Stokesley Road past the Voyager pub, leaving the 5 to follow the X93 route out of Guisborough onto the A171?  Might save a few minutes I guess.

Still no word of a new bus to Skelton Asda and no express service to Middlesbrough during the day, but am told those things are under consideration for the future.

5 is unchanged except for serving Hollybush. Additional time has been added into the service and 5s will now operate separately to the 5A (an unchanged PVR - but rather than 9 doing both routes, 6 will be on 5s and 3 will work 5As).

The 5A route in Guisborough will be the same as the daytime 28 route except towards the Market Place the 5A will turn into Rectory Lane to serve the Sainsbury’s Store, entering the Market Place via Bow Street.


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tvd - 19 Jan 2019

(19 Jan 2019, 11:48 am)Kuyoyo 5 is unchanged except for serving Hollybush. Additional time has been added into the service and 5s will now operate separately to the 5A (an unchanged PVR - but rather than 9 doing both routes, 6 will be on 5s and 3 will work 5As).

The 5A route in Guisborough will be the same as the daytime 28 route except towards the Market Place the 5A will turn into Rectory Lane to serve the Sainsbury’s Store, entering the Market Place via Bow Street.

Thank you Wink


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Cock Robin - 21 Jan 2019

Certainly could do with more than an hourly X3A to the Skelton Asda area.


RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - V514DFT - 21 Jan 2019

Quick question,after the works are finished on Whitley Road,will the 51/51A and 53 return to serving Benton Asda or is it scrapped for good