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RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Andreos1 - 15 Dec 2023 Trying to think about this 777 and comparing it to the GAG 777. Is this the only number to be re-used by two operators whilst the other has been long gone? Is this the first Northumbria route to operate with a traditionally County Durham prefix? RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 16 Dec 2023 (15 Dec 2023, 11:05 pm)Andreos1 Trying to think about this 777 and comparing it to the GAG 777.Or......it's called 777 after the Boeing 777 aircraft. And the old shuttle before the Metro extension was called the M77. RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 16 Dec 2023 More changes for January 2024: (also included the 777 in the list) PB0002717/200 Registered ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD Route: Middlesbrough to Darlington Service number: X66 (X67) Service type: Limited Stop Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 PB0002717/14 Registered ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD Route: Darlington to Colburn Service number: X26 (X27, X26) Service type: Limited Stop Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 PB0002717/307 Registered ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD Route: Middlesbrough to Redcar Service number: 63 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 PB0002717/321 Registered ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD Route: Middlesbrough to Ingleby Barwick/Stockton Service number: 17 (17B, 17A) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 PB0002717/603 Registered ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD Route: Ingleby Barwick to Middlesbrough Service number: 16 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 PB0002717/318 Registered ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD Route: Roseworth to Ingleby Barwick Service number: 15 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 PB0002717/239 Registered ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD Route: Middlesbrough to Durham Service number: X12 Service type: Limited Stop Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 PB0002032/266 Registered ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD Route: Ashington to North Shields via via Cramlington Service number: 57 (57, 57A) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 PB0002032/159 Registered ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD Route: Newcastle to Newbiggin via Ashington Service number: X21 (X22) Service type: Limited Stop Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 PB0002032/500 Registered ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD Route: Alnwick to Seahouses via via Morpeth, Alnwick, Seahouses Service number: X18 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 PB0002032/523 Registered ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD Route: Seahouses to Berwick upon Tweed via via Morpeth, Alnwick, Seahouses Service number: X18 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 PB0002032/346 Registered ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD Route: Blyth to Morpeth - Kirkhill via via Morpeth Service number: 2 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 PB0002032/345 Registered ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD Route: Blyth to Widdrington Estate Service number: 1 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 PB0002032/614 Registered ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD Route: Morpeth to Kingston Park via Newcastle Airport Service number: 777 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 PB0002032/168 Registered ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD Route: Morpeth to Newbiggin via Ashington Service number: 35 (35) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 28 Jan 2024 (15 Dec 2023, 5:31 pm)Ambassador The Airport have been pushing hard for better links as part of their growth plans (linked to employment) - I wonder if this one of the reasons BSIP are supporting it I hope we get more airport services although, most areas are covered by the metro. RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Andreos1 - 16 Dec 2023 (16 Dec 2023, 9:29 am)L469 YVK Or......it's called 777 after the Boeing 777 aircraft. And the old shuttle before the Metro extension was called the M77. Well yeah, it's quite possibly a play on an aircraft type. But I'm not sure it takes anything away from my initial question. RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 16 Dec 2023 (15 Dec 2023, 5:09 pm)mb134 You may not, but evidently the council do? Depends which way it's going though. Could be Morpeth - Kirkley Hall - Ponteland - Airport - Kingston Park and supported by Nexus aswell for all we know. Kirkley Hall is inaccessible pretty much, note the 35 is getting changed aswell. The old similar route used to be bolted onto the end of 35 boards - see: http://travelnortheast.co.uk/downloads/bustimetables/arriva/100-Mor-Kirk.pdf RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - ASX_Terranova - 16 Dec 2023 (16 Dec 2023, 11:16 am)Storx Depends which way it's going though. It might go through prestwick and dinnington, i cant think of anymore possibilities. How busy was the GNE 42A when it ran on this section? RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 16 Dec 2023 (16 Dec 2023, 12:38 pm)ASX_Terranova It might go through prestwick and dinnington, i cant think of anymore possibilities. How busy was the GNE 42A when it ran on this section? Not too sure on the 42A, tbh could be anything lets be honest. Might be just a two hourly service, or a shorter service ie Cramlington to there with an daily extension etc, similar the 44. Just have to see tbh. RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - OrangeArrow49 - 16 Dec 2023 (16 Dec 2023, 1:12 pm)Storx Not too sure on the 42A, tbh could be anything lets be honest. Might be just a two hourly service, or a shorter service ie Cramlington to there with an daily extension etc, similar the 44. Just have to see tbh.The 42A was always dead through Dinnington and Prestwick whenever I used it from Wallsend to Kingston Park, but that was largely (not exclusively though) on Sundays. Can't imagine passenger numbers were great though considering the section has been cut out. BusmanT said it's frequent and every day, but maybe that's not for the full route. It will be interesting to see the route and timetable. RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Shrek - 16 Dec 2023 (16 Dec 2023, 1:56 pm)OrangeArrow49 The 42A was always dead through Dinnington and Prestwick whenever I used it from Wallsend to Kingston Park, but that was largely (not exclusively though) on Sundays. Can't imagine passenger numbers were great though considering the section has been cut out.Dinnington to Kingston Park on the 42a could often get quite busy. Mainly people shopping at Tesco, and with Aldi opening at Kingston Park, it would give the people of Dinnington additional reason to use the service. RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - mb134 - 16 Dec 2023 (16 Dec 2023, 1:12 pm)Storx Not too sure on the 42A, tbh could be anything lets be honest. Might be just a two hourly service, or a shorter service ie Cramlington to there with an daily extension etc, similar the 44. Just have to see tbh. Realistically with the service number 777 it's clearly a service designed to serve the airport above anything else. To do that properly it's going to need to be more frequent than 2 hourly, and it definitely isn't just going to be a daily extension. For it to be useful I'd think you'd need something starting pretty early in the morning and finishing pretty late into the night, and operate at least hourly. RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 16 Dec 2023 (16 Dec 2023, 2:30 pm)mb134 Realistically with the service number 777 it's clearly a service designed to serve the airport above anything else. To do that properly it's going to need to be more frequent than 2 hourly, and it definitely isn't just going to be a daily extension. Aye true, struggling to see a sensible route Morpeth -> Airport -> Kingston Park without really doubling back on itself, who knows tbh. Btw on the extension I meant it would be Cramlington to the Airport, or similar, with a daily extension through to Morpeth (old 101?) rather than it just being once a day. RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 16 Dec 2023 Wonder with changes registered for the 1 & 2 could indicate the X21 / X22 routes changing back between Bedlington and Newcastle? With the 2 going back to serving Red House Farm to retain the Bedlington Station link. RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - mb134 - 16 Dec 2023 (16 Dec 2023, 8:36 pm)L469 YVK Wonder with changes registered for the 1 & 2 could indicate the X21 / X22 routes changing back between Bedlington and Newcastle? With the 2 going back to serving Red House Farm to retain the Bedlington Station link. Why would they be? Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tyresmoke - 16 Dec 2023 (16 Dec 2023, 8:36 pm)L469 YVK Wonder with changes registered for the 1 & 2 could indicate the X21 / X22 routes changing back between Bedlington and Newcastle? With the 2 going back to serving Red House Farm to retain the Bedlington Station link. No route change to the 1 & 2… only route changes to the 35, X18, X21/22 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Thomas12 - 16 Dec 2023 (16 Dec 2023, 10:39 pm)tyresmoke No route change to the 1 & 2… only route changes to the 35, X18, X21/22 Assume the changes will be related to the consultation they had out a few weeks ago, with the 35/X21 interworking and a revised route in Newbiggin RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Rapidsnap - 17 Dec 2023 Ashington / Morpeth to Airport (along with Kirkley Hall) was done in various forms around 2008 - 2015 with service 100. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/50580539916 RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Kuyoyo - 17 Dec 2023 People focusing on the Northumbria changes and have missed one very interesting one on the revised 17 registration RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 17 Dec 2023 (16 Dec 2023, 11:21 pm)Thomas12 Assume the changes will be related to the consultation they had out a few weeks ago, with the 35/X21 interworking and a revised route in NewbigginIf Nedderton is kept on the X21, how will the timetables be robust enough to increase running time & layover? Working it out based on the X21 getting ex Newbiggin (if re-routed via Hartford Road): 1hr Ash > NCL 58m NCL > Ash That would only leave 7 minutes layover in Morpeth (35) and 9 minutes in Newcastle taking into account the extra 5 minutes each way via Nedderton. Whereas via Hartford Road, would leave 9 minutes in Newcastle and 17 minutes in Morpeth, which would come in very handy during the peaks. Saturdays, PVR would need increased from 14x to 15x vehicles if X21 kept via Nedderton. Also on Sundays, would leave no scope to increase running times without a long layover in Morpeth. RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 17 Dec 2023 (17 Dec 2023, 9:06 am)L469 YVK If Nedderton is kept on the X21, how will the timetables be robust enough to increase running time & layover? The running time is shorter...? https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.1856689,-1.5570383/55.1842922,-1.5578741/@55.1833345,-1.5558468,13.92z/data=!4m34!4m33!1m30!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5471236!2d55.1854867!3s0x487e0d97b07ed2c1:0xa6eb962452f51a33!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5158604!2d55.1900833!3s0x487e1273f5adccdf:0xd24d150388b8fdb8!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5061363!2d55.1866959!3s0x487e126e51ed9f73:0xf6dbe224586b7467!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5137119!2d55.184357!3s0x487e12709242bbbd:0x76ba33e3bdc3f56a!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5334709!2d55.1746038!3s0x487e0d831c819ed7:0x56c16b29619e7efb!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5446196!2d55.1744365!3s0x487e0d9e60ccf94d:0xead43fcebf513179!1m0!3e0?entry=ttu The X21/35 are combined effectively doing that loop now. Rather that the X21 doing: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.1856689,-1.5570383/55.1842922,-1.5578741/@55.1846746,-1.5630383,13.92z/data=!4m39!4m38!1m35!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5471236!2d55.1854867!3s0x487e0d97b07ed2c1:0xa6eb962452f51a33!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5166754!2d55.1822482!3s0x487e1279ecdced75:0x5b27a32ab78b8511!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5158604!2d55.1900833!3s0x487e1273f5adccdf:0xd24d150388b8fdb8!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5061363!2d55.1866959!3s0x487e126e51ed9f73:0xf6dbe224586b7467!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5137119!2d55.184357!3s0x487e12709242bbbd:0x76ba33e3bdc3f56a!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5382157!2d55.1849621!3s0x487e0d90483dc8ab:0x808ae824a65678b4!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5462598!2d55.1858482!3s0x487e0d96fcd3e491:0x7da832df0b7445b2!1m0!3e0?entry=ttu RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 17 Dec 2023 (17 Dec 2023, 9:30 am)Storx The running time is shorter...?The whole reason why the loop will likely be in place (subject to consultation) is so that running times can be increased. Effectively, the time saved interworking the X21 & 35 via the loop will be re-invested elsewhere in both routes. |