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RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - omnicity4659 - 22 Aug 2016
(22 Aug 2016, 5:16 pm)mb134 If the 35A is a loss making service, the regular 35 can't be far behind. I saw 7446 leave Morpeth today with about 5 people on it, a Solo could operate that run with plenty of space!
They need to sort out punctuality as soon as possible, having said that I can't remember the 35 ever being a super reliable service.
I also don't understand the fascination with using double deckers on it, Scania single deckers was the allocation for years and there was never an issue capacity wise when I used it.
Think you might have saw 7446 when I was leaving on it at about 1pm? The 35A in front (7486) was running about 10 minutes late so picked up all of the passengers from the 35.
You'd be praying for deckers at peak times, and at 9am between North Seaton and Morpeth on weekdays. It's the same with services 1 and 2, passenger levels fluctuate, making it impossible to find a suitable vehicle type to run the service.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 29 Aug 2016
Spotted this on the NEXUS site:
Houghton-le-Spring - Peterlee - Arriva - Sunday, 04 September 2016
http://www.nexus.org.uk/sites/default/files/documents/bus/ED02-DC-040916.pdf
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - biglugs@yahoo.com - 29 Aug 2016
(29 Aug 2016, 9:09 am)Michael Spotted this on the NEXUS site:
Houghton-le-Spring - Peterlee - Arriva - Sunday, 04 September 2016
http://www.nexus.org.uk/sites/default/files/documents/bus/ED02-DC-040916.pdf
Will this be available to the public alike the x22
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - peter - 29 Aug 2016
(29 Aug 2016, 9:09 am)Michael Spotted this on the NEXUS site:
Houghton-le-Spring - Peterlee - Arriva - Sunday, 04 September 2016
http://www.nexus.org.uk/sites/default/files/documents/bus/ED02-DC-040916.pdf
(29 Aug 2016, 5:53 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com Will this be available to the public alike the x22
Correct, the East Durham College bus services ED1, ED2, ED3 (details of which can be found here) were previously 'dedicated student transport' but will now be available for all passengers.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 29 Aug 2016
(29 Aug 2016, 8:32 pm)peter Correct, the East Durham College bus services ED1, ED2, ED3 (details of which can be found here) were previously 'dedicated student transport' but will now be available for all passengers.Is it the same for service 870 between Trimdon Village and Bishop Auckland Technical College?
Timetable: http://www.cartogold.co.uk/durham/pdf/Forthcoming/04-09/ANE_870.pdf
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - peter - 29 Aug 2016
(29 Aug 2016, 8:45 pm)Jimmi Is it the same for service 870 between Trimdon Village and Bishop Auckland Technical College?
Timetable: http://www.cartogold.co.uk/durham/pdf/Forthcoming/04-09/ANE_870.pdf
Bishop Auckland Technical College is another kettle of fish really...For the last academic year, transport was provided by a mixture of journeys on existing public services (the 1, 5/5a and X21 from GNE) which additionally served the college, as well as 'dedicated school transport' provided for by Garnett's and Lee's that ran from Barnard Castle, Stanhope, Tow Law and Trimdon.
If you haven't already guessed from the places served by the former 'dedicated transport' Arriva has clearly won a contract, or reached an agreement with the school, to provide all transport to and from the college (or at least Bishop Auckland) from September, and hence the reason behind the upcoming changes. I assume the main reason why is because it was easily achievable for Arriva. The journeys from the X21 are a simple transfer across to the 6, the Tow Law journeys a transfer to the X1, the Barnard Castle and Stanhope journeys met by extensions to the 6 and the X1 and lastly the Trimdon journeys which have had to become the 870, because obviously there was no alternative service with an easily met route extension.
So yes, the 870 was formerly 'dedicated school transport' but no it was not run by Arriva.
Last year's timetable for the Technical College is available here. The only major differences in the routes is that the service from Stanhope will be largely incorporated into the other routes with the section from Stanhope being added as an extension to the Tow Law service (which altogether will become part of the X1) while the section from Willington will be added into the Trimdon service (which will become the 870).
I presume the reason why the X1 and 6 (Barnard Castle) journeys do not stop at the college is that they are through journeys while the others all terminate in Bishop Auckland and so naturally extend to the college.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 30 Aug 2016
PB0002717/16 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Durham and New Brancepeth given service number 48 effective from 11-Sep-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/75 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Durham and Brandon given service number 49/49A effective from 11-Sep-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/289 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Stanhope and Durham given service number 46 effective from 11-Sep-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 01 Sep 2016
B0002032/333 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Thropton and Morpeth given service number X14 effective from 25-Sep-2016. To amend Timetable.
PB0002717/30 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Durham and Bishop Auckland given service number 56/56A effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/256 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Durham and Hartlepool given service number 57/57A effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/258 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN:
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Kuyoyo - 02 Sep 2016
PB0002717/258 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Durham and Cockfield given service number 6 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 02 Sep 2016
Press release for Durham service changes from Sunday: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/north-east/updates/service-changes-in-county-durham-sep16/
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 03 Sep 2016
PB0002717/16 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Durham and New Brancepeth given service number 48 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/165 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Durham and Metrocentre given service number X24 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/211 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Darlington and Bishop Auckland given service number 5A/5 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/219 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Darlington and Peterlee given service number X21 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/289 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stanhope and Durham given service number X46 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/335 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Middlesbrough and Peterlee given service number X22 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/380 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Peterlee and Sunderland given service number X21 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/409 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Whitby Park & Ride and Whitby Park & Ride given service number P1/P2 effective from 31-Oct-2016.
Competition between GNE and Arriva?
I take it, X21 - Sunderland - Peterlee - then X22 Middlesbrough or X21 to Darlington?
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tyresmoke - 03 Sep 2016
Looks like a renumber of the 21/21A to X21/X22 - potentially the first step to them becoming Max services too? They're not exactly express though...
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - biglugs@yahoo.com - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 11:34 am)tyresmoke Looks like a renumber of the 21/21A to X21/X22 - potentially the first step to them becoming Max services too? They're not exactly express though...
Will Stockton run the x22 peak journeys
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 10:59 am)Michael I take it, X21 - Sunderland - Peterlee - then X22 Middlesbrough or X21 to Darlington?
Looks like they are just renumbering the 21 as X21 and 21A as X22 between Darlington/Middlesbrough and Peterlee.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 11:34 am)tyresmoke Looks like a renumber of the 21/21A to X21/X22 - potentially the first step to them becoming Max services too? They're not exactly express though...
Ah right, can we not have something different? haha
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 11:34 am)tyresmoke Looks like a renumber of the 21/21A to X21/X22 - potentially the first step to them becoming Max services too? They're not exactly express though...
46 isn't really an express and it's being renumbered as X46 and becoming MAX.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Dan - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 11:53 am)Jimmi 46 isn't really an express and it's being renumbered as X46 and becoming MAX.
It's a brand that's really lost its identity, then, isn't it?
My understanding of MAX was that it was designed for interurban express services - putting an 'X' in front of the route number doesn't make it an express service.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tyresmoke - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 11:55 am)Dan It's a brand that's really lost its identity, then, isn't it?
My understanding of MAX was that it was designed for interurban express services - putting an 'X' in front of the route number doesn't make it an express service.
The X itself has become part of the brand now. Branding the 21/21A and 46 just makes it clear that it is designed for any interurban service. Shires and Yorkshire are both big users of the brand too and it seems to work in terms of growing passenger numbers so why not. Definitely not just express any more, though!
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 03 Sep 2016
Wonder what the route and timetables changes are for the X21?
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Cock Robin - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 11:55 am)Dan It's a brand that's really lost its identity, then, isn't it?
My understanding of MAX was that it was designed for interurban express services - putting an 'X' in front of the route number doesn't make it an express service.
Agreed!