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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Michael - 08 Jul 2014
Bit info on the choice of names for the new square:
Keel Square / Yard – a “Keel Line” is the backbone of a ship and the name of one of the new artworks that will feature in the square
Voyager Place / Square – a journey to a distant destination
Vector Place / Square – a vector is a line drawn on a ships chart to represent both its magnitude and direction. It is a ‘line into the future’
Unity Place / Square – the joining of two sides, and the friendship and union of people
Swan Place / Square – a reference to Sunderland born Joseph Swan who invented the incandescent light bulb
Vista Place / Square – a pleasing view; a long narrow view between rows of trees or buildings
Victory Place / Square – a success or triumph in a struggle against odds or difficulties
Sandrail Place / Square – the name of the steel vessel created to support the construction of the pier at Roker
Venerable Place / Square – reference to HMS Venerable, on which Jack Crawford of Sunderland served, and Venerable Bede
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Drifter60 - 08 Jul 2014
(05 Jul 2014, 3:56 pm)Andreos Constantopolous Or stand waiting for a bus, which along with 59 others, which is stuck in traffic on the other side of the river.
Changing buses must be the lesser of two evils - it keeps buses in an even keel and helps reduce any regulation.
Not sure of any other solutions.
I'd say operating a shuttle bus Wearmouth Bridge-Sunderland Interchange would be the only option. Doubled decked operation I imagine. Have all services terminating at North Bridge Street like 35's to Houghton/Hetton, then shuttle bus to interchange the 35's back the other way.
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Andreos1 - 08 Jul 2014
(08 Jul 2014, 8:54 pm)Drifter60 I'd say operating a shuttle bus Wearmouth Bridge-Sunderland Interchange would be the only option. Doubled decked operation I imagine. Have all services terminating at North Bridge Street like 35's to Houghton/Hetton, then shuttle bus to interchange the 35's back the other way.
Pretty much how I envisaged it to be honest.
There may be another option (like aureolin's metro idea), but sending every cross river service over the river, is just going to make the situation worse.
The only other solution - would be to restrict the bridge to buses only. All other vehicles would then be diverted via the a19.
How it would be managed, is another thing.
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Michael - 09 Jul 2014
According to the Ed's diner site, the one in the bridges is opening in September... i can't wait that long!
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Andreos1 - 09 Jul 2014
(09 Jul 2014, 3:16 pm)Michael According to the Ed's diner site, the one in the bridges is opening in September... i can't wait that long!
They have one in the Metrocentre
Get yourself along there man.
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Michael - 09 Jul 2014
(09 Jul 2014, 3:24 pm)Andreos Constantopolous They have one in the Metrocentre
Get yourself along there man.
Being many times!
Their pull porked burger is the best.
It's just the one in the metrocentre is a clart on to get to from Sunderland, i can only go to the metrocentre if i fancy going... if you know what i mean!
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Andreos1 - 09 Jul 2014
(09 Jul 2014, 3:25 pm)Michael Being many times!
Their pull porked burger is the best
Have you tried the American Diner on the a19 before the Wolviston junction?
You can only get there by car, but it is good.
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Michael - 09 Jul 2014
(09 Jul 2014, 3:27 pm)Andreos Constantopolous Have you tried the American Diner on the a19 before the Wolviston junction?
You can only get there by car, but it is good.
I haven't, iv'e being past it a few times while being in my mates car.
Also Muffin Break is opening soon, this is next to the HMV/Disney store, the area its in , is where they normally have promotions activities i:e where the indoor beach was.
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - idiot - 09 Jul 2014
Excuse me chaps not going to talk about the Metro Centre as I bloody hate it.
But Stagecoach and Go North East tweeted about talks about about the congestion at the Wearmouth Bridge.
Then they tweeted saying it was eaiser now. Then SC SS ops started pulling E services again.
Any idea what happened chaps?
Put it in here as it seemed best place than duplicating post in GNE & SC sub forums.
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Michael - 09 Jul 2014
(09 Jul 2014, 4:10 pm)idiot Excuse me chaps not going to talk about the Metro Centre as I bloody hate it.
But Stagecoach and Go North East tweeted about talks about about the congestion at the Wearmouth Bridge.
Then they tweeted saying it was eaiser now. Then SC SS ops started pulling E services again.
Any idea what happened chaps?
Put it in here as it seemed best place than duplicating post in GNE & SC sub forums.
They are working on the roundabout on St Mary's, the one which connects to the bridge.. i also heard they have changed the traffic light system - making it worse.
the bridge will close over night some times for road markings etc
Not sure when this part of the work will be done.
Would of being easier, taking the roundabout up and replacing it with a square junction.
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - idiot - 09 Jul 2014
I knew where they are working Michael was asking does anyone know if they came up with a solution?
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Dan - 09 Jul 2014
(09 Jul 2014, 5:16 pm)idiot I knew where they are working Michael was asking does anyone know if they came up with a solution?
The bus operators haven't come up with a solution. Both operators have contacted the council, and the council isn't doing anything to help.
Suggestions have been made by members of this forum; including terminating in the City Centre and St. Peter's, with shuttle services running in between, and another has been to divert via the Queen Alexandra Bridge and go via Deptford.
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Michael - 09 Jul 2014
(09 Jul 2014, 5:16 pm)idiot I knew where they are working Michael was asking does anyone know if they came up with a solution?
Sorry, i thought you were asking what was happening.
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Michael - 09 Jul 2014
(09 Jul 2014, 5:19 pm)Dan The bus operators haven't come up with a solution. Both operators have contacted the council, and the council isn't doing anything to help.
Suggestions have been made by members of this forum; including terminating in the City Centre and St. Peter's, with shuttle services running in between, and another has been to divert via the Queen Alexandra Bridge and go via Deptford.
There's a surprise!
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - idiot - 09 Jul 2014
Thanks Dan.
The way the tweets came out I thought they had come up with a magic solution lol...
No bother Michael. My bad I should of worded it better. Between Thurs & Sun last weekend I waited sorry wasted about 2 hours of my life stuck in various parts of St Marys Way, Wearmouth Bridge, Dame Dot Street and the road down to the East End (can't remember what its called).
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Dan - 09 Jul 2014
(09 Jul 2014, 5:20 pm)Michael There's a surprise!
Not sure what they could do though - building dedicated 'bus lanes' during peak periods would only cause the traffic for cars to backlog behind the bridge and the buses would therefore be unable to get onto the bridge anyway.
The roundabout on the other side of the bridge has always been a nightmare, even before any work was done. Neither buses nor cars pay attention to the road markings, and if you stand near the roundabout for about 10 minutes, I guarantee you will witness at least two near misses.
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Michael - 09 Jul 2014
(09 Jul 2014, 5:24 pm)Dan Not sure what they could do though - building dedicated 'bus lanes' during peak periods would only cause the traffic for cars to backlog behind the bridge and the buses would therefore be unable to get onto the bridge anyway.
The roundabout on the other side of the bridge has always been a nightmare, even before any work was done. Neither buses nor cars pay attention to the road markings, and if you stand near the roundabout for about 10 minutes, I guarantee you will witness at least two near misses.
Tbh same, taking all the buses to the other bridge will only make that area worse, think we will have to live with it until the whole road is complete
Still think they should of took the roundabout up and replaced it with a square junction, although doing that it will make it even worse
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Dan - 09 Jul 2014
(09 Jul 2014, 5:30 pm)Michael Tbh same, taking all the buses to the other bridge will only make that area worse, think we will have to live with it until the whole road is complete
Still think they should of took the roundabout up and replaced it with a square junction, although doing that it will make it even worse
What are they doing with it again?
I thought they were completely removing it and having it as a three-way traffic light junction?
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Michael - 09 Jul 2014
(09 Jul 2014, 5:58 pm)Dan What are they doing with it again?
I thought they were completely removing it and having it as a three-way traffic light junction?
I have no idea Dan, i thought they were changing it so it was inline with the new road.
I might have a pop over tomorrow to see if there's being much progress.
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc - Brandon Stone - 09 Jul 2014
Does anyone know if the plans have changed at all since 2011 for the Wearmouth Bridge roundabout?
There is a plan on page 25 of 59 of the book (31 of 72 of the actual PDF).
It says that two-way traffic would be instigated on Bridge Street, which potentially allows buses direct access from Fawcett Street to the Wearmouth Bridge. While I like the idea in that buses may not have to traverse around High Street West, Bedford Street and West Wear Street, I'm wondering if the shorter / more direct route via Bridge Street would cause greater congestion in Fawcett Street, exaggerated possibly by long signal dwell times at the bridgehead junction. If the 8/20 continue to stay at the bottom end of Fawcett Street, and only the first bus stop used in Fawcett Street for the 19/23/E1/E2/E6 & 35, could the top two bus stops in Fawcett Street be discontinued, freeing up the road-space for two northbound exit lanes?
"Wearmouth Bridgehead Signalisation involves the conversion of the A1018 Wearmouth Bridge / A1018 West Wear Street / A183 St Mary’s Way roundabout to signal control. The scheme includes a new bus lane from Wearmouth Bridge southbound to West Wear Street southbound, a dedicated free-flow slip from Vaux Boulevard to Wearmouth Bridge northbound (hugely benefiting the Sunderland Connect 700/701!), and a revised layout at the junction of West Wear Street. This layout is presented in Figure 4-6."
Despite my reservations at the time, the Wheatsheaf gyratory changes have proved successful. Fingers crossed this scheme too won't serve any major traffic headaches upon completion!