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RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - LVK 404L - 12 Nov 2017 (12 Nov 2017, 2:47 pm)citaro5284 All this talk about terminal points only. First York have used terminal points for years, as have Transdev. If you look on Coastliner for example they only show York, Leeds or Whitby as an example. If you have a look at Lothian, they have now moved to terminal points only since they have moved to Hanover Displays from Mobitec and as we all know, there is not many tourists in Edinburgh! I fully agree with this. For years it was only ever a destination on display and everyone managed then so we will now. Also a lot of buses have NSAs on them so that helps. Sometimes it is a bit much having too many via points and whn they are both in same font ie SNE its nice for those with sight problems such as myself to be able to see the larger clearer destination in plenty time. And if we go further back into the dark ages, you could always try asking the driver which via points he will be going via. They do speak sometimes. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Malarkey - 12 Nov 2017 When will the Venture Solo SR's and Hexham's Mercs be branded? RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Andreos1 - 12 Nov 2017 (12 Nov 2017, 4:25 pm)ifm001 I fully agree with this. For years it was only ever a destination on display and everyone managed then so we will now. Also a lot of buses have NSAs on them so that helps. Sometimes it is a bit much having too many via points and whn they are both in same font ie SNE its nice for those with sight problems such as myself to be able to see the larger clearer destination in plenty time. And if we go further back into the dark ages, you could always try asking the driver which via points he will be going via. They do speak sometimes. People managed with steps on a bus then, but adaptations were made so that everyone found public transport accessible. Not just a proportion of the population. Just because it was ok 30 years ago, doesn't make it ok now. There was obviously a reason via points were added... I can't believe in this day and age, when society is adapting, becoming more aware and generally more tolerant of the issues the population face, we are saying we 'managed then, so we will now'. It is all fine and well me and you asking the driver (assuming he/she isn't running on a tight schedule and has the time to clarify via points), but can everyone do that? Those who are hard of hearing or are deaf? Those who are poor speakers of English? People with social anxiety issues? Those on the spectrum? Those who struggle reading and understanding timetables? Or those who use GNE services in North Sunderland or Vigo and have lost track of the route a bus is taking after yet another round of service revisions. Public transport and the information we rely on to use it, needs to be made freely available - to everyone. It's the only way to ensure public transport is accessible to all. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Rapidsnap - 12 Nov 2017 Go North East used to just use ultimate destinations on electronic blinds about 10 years ago at least, here are some examples. Newcastle Pilgrim Street - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/26413891503/in/album-72157625825671096/ Whitley Bay Holiday Park - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/26411981244/in/album-72157625825671096/ Wallsend M - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/33418439210/in/album-72157625825671096/ Wallsend Metro - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/33646530262/in/album-72157625825671096/ (this should confuse some people) Hadrian Park - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/32989716013/in/album-72157625825671096/ (Didn't say which way it went) The well served town of Not in Service - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/26605188365/in/album-72157643772835603/ RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - TyneWearTeesGNE - 12 Nov 2017 (05 Nov 2017, 6:46 pm)Dan Deptford - undergoing preparation for PSV test, so likely in the workshop. I know it is in Deptford, I mean which routes? RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - LeeCalder - 12 Nov 2017 Not too sure how I feel about the new destination style - Two operators who predominantly use it are Transdev and trenbarton, but they but have very very strong brand identities, to the point where services don't have route numbers. I would imagine it will just result in more "Do you go to...." questions for drivers. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - park5354 - 12 Nov 2017 (12 Nov 2017, 7:09 pm)Rapidsnap Go North East used to just use ultimate destinations on electronic blinds about 10 years ago at least, here are some examples.Secured trips Wallsend-Throckley, weekends in the morning. Also did 40 Chapel House-Wallsend and X82 Throckley-Eldon Square, 43 Dudley-Haymarket, and, my favourite, 356 Newcastle-North Shields. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - park5354 - 12 Nov 2017 Destination Displays Simple, one or two via points would be better on front destination display, with side and rear only showing the final destination.:_ 310 Newcastle Haymarket 310 North Shields via Hadrian Park 58 Heworth Metro via Leam Lane 58 Newcastle via Gateshead 57 Wardley via Old Durham Rd & Heworth Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Jamie M - 12 Nov 2017 The ultimate route displays back then at least qualified in which part of the place they were going. Wallsend metro is clearer than Wallsend, Newcastle Eldon Square is clearer than Newcastle. Since half stop on Market Street/Pilgrim, half in Eldon and 3 in Haymarket - it's nothing shorter than confusing to just say Newcastle on displays. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - ne14ne1 - 12 Nov 2017 Don't get me wrong, I like the new simple displays, my point simply was when I'm catching one of the many different numbered buses that serve my stop in Gateshead, the destination 'Newcastle' isn't very helpful. Is it going to take me all the way to Eldon Sq, or just dump me at Central Station? Like the examples given from years ago, 'Newcastle Pilgrim St' / 'Newcastle Eldon Sq' / 'Newcastle Market St' / 'Newcastle Haymarket' / 'Newcastle Central Station' would be a-lot more informative & useful. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Crusader - 12 Nov 2017 (12 Nov 2017, 8:34 pm)Ine14ne1 Don't get me wrong, I like the new simple displays, my point simply was when I'm catching one of the many different numbered buses that serve my stop in Gateshead, the destination 'Newcastle' isn't very helpful. Is it going to take me all the way to Eldon Sq, or just dump me at Central Station? Don't necessarily disagree but with the current system "Eldon Square" or "Market Street" appears at the beginning of the list of via points. If it's a long route and you've just missed it on the scrolling portion the bus might have left your stop before it's come round again on the screen. So with the current blinds with via points all you've seen of where it goes is Newcastle anyway with no further details. It would be interesting to know rather than guess do passengers actually read the via points now? (Which they might not even be able to do on a long route) or do they use other sources of information? If current passengers use the via points they should be kept. If they don't then might as well get rid of them. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - ne14ne1 - 12 Nov 2017 (12 Nov 2017, 9:24 pm)Crusader Don't necessarily disagree but with the current system "Eldon Square" or "Market Street" appears at the beginning of the list of via points. If it's a long route and you've just missed it on the scrolling portion the bus might have left your stop before it's come round again on the screen. So with the current blinds with via points all you've seen of where it goes is Newcastle anyway with no further details. Yeah I don't like how the scrolling style destinations simply say 'Newcastle' either. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Andreos1 - 12 Nov 2017 (12 Nov 2017, 7:09 pm)Rapidsnap Go North East used to just use ultimate destinations on electronic blinds about 10 years ago at least, here are some examples. With this roller blind being used prior to then and ironically serving what is now part of the route followed by the 2. https://www.flickr.com/photos/56682873@N06/34167411461/ More information on one blind back in 1992, than used now. Even OK had more detail back in 1982! RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - BusLoverMum - 12 Nov 2017 (12 Nov 2017, 12:00 pm)ne14ne1 I've noticed a few and it is much clearer and easier to read, but having the destination simply as 'Newcastle' or 'Gateshead' isn't that helpful, especially further along the routes for people then boarding at stops within Newcastle or Gateshead. (12 Nov 2017, 2:18 pm)Andreos1 In total agreement. Yes, the same point hit me. Buses from Durham to Sunderland spring to mind, here. Pretty much every day i catch the Arriva 22, at Durham, someone catches it wanting Sunderland. Because the destination says Sunderland and the timetable is headlined with Sunderland, so people who don't catch many buses think that's the bus they need. They're generally alarmed when they hear it takes 90 minutes (or so, now). Even most of the drivers will signpost them to the 20/20A - a bus that runs ever 10 minutes to South Shields. No one who doesn't know their routes notices that it would get them into the centre of Sunderland in under an hour. On a similar note, few buses in Durham are just local buses, as Durham is so small. Consequently, there's often someone looking confused, waning a bus to Gilesgate or Dragonville and not knowing what to catch. There are 2 papr maps (out of date, mind) and the interactive screen at the entrance of the bus station which help to work our what you need, but a lot of people find these confusing and walk up and down the bus station reading timetables - missing out the 64 in the process! Actuall,y on the X21, a via point saying no, we don't stop on Blackett street and this bus has never stopped on Blackett Street so just bog off now and take your attitude with you. While you're here, if you want Chowdene, then get the 21 and save yourself the embarrassment, eh? Though all of that was usurped by a couple who sat upstairs on the X70, yesterday, got as far as Sunniside, the turned round and asked us if the bus stopped at Team Valley. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Dan - 13 Nov 2017 (12 Nov 2017, 6:26 pm)Malarkey When will the Venture Solo SR's and Hexham's Mercs be branded? The Venture Solos were due to be fitted yesterday. Red Arrows fleet due to be fitted with a modified version of the branding today, too. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Michael - 13 Nov 2017 Just seen a connections 4 Citaro heading down to Deptford. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Andreos1 - 13 Nov 2017 (12 Nov 2017, 10:22 pm)BusLoverMum Yes, the same point hit me. Buses from Durham to Sunderland spring to mind, here. Pretty much every day i catch the Arriva 22, at Durham, someone catches it wanting Sunderland. Because the destination says Sunderland and the timetable is headlined with Sunderland, so people who don't catch many buses think that's the bus they need. They're generally alarmed when they hear it takes 90 minutes (or so, now). Even most of the drivers will signpost them to the 20/20A - a bus that runs ever 10 minutes to South Shields. No one who doesn't know their routes notices that it would get them into the centre of Sunderland in under an hour. Imagine needing to be somewhere on the route of the 50, but boarding a 20?! 'But it said South Shields on the front bruv' RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Dan - 13 Nov 2017 (13 Nov 2017, 7:50 am)Michael Just seen a connections 4 Citaro heading down to Deptford. 5366 - on loan to Deptford today due to a high VOR. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - BusLoverMum - 13 Nov 2017 (13 Nov 2017, 8:06 am)Andreos1 Imagine needing to be somewhere on the route of the 50, but boarding a 20?! They even leave Durham at opposite ends! RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - grandad - 13 Nov 2017 All the bus needs to show is the route number and the final destination. It's just about impossible to read all the via points as the bus approaches anyway. The route details are easily displayed along with the timetable at the bus stop. Intending passengers will usually have plenty of time to study this information before the bus arrives. The final destination confirms that the bus is heading in the required direction. Simples! |