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RE: Trains - mb134 - 28 Mar 2016
Hi all,
For the past few days, since my trip up to Aberdeen, I've started to read up on trains again, but I still don't quite understand how the whole thing works?
How does the 'bidding' process take place? How are trains bought by the operating company (though I understand they're leased?)?
Any help would be appreciated guys, thank you!
RE: Trains - northern156 - 28 Mar 2016
Rolling stock is bought by ROSCOs ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_stock_operating_company ) and then leased to various operating companies.
The railway network is made up of various franchises; which private operators bid to run when the franchise is up for renewal. A rather controversial situation especially when you have Stagecoach running all three principal routes between London and the North (they half own Virgin Trains, and EMT is fully Stagecoach).
Other operators run on the network on an Open Access basis; essentially extra services which are not franchised. One example is Grand Central, part of Arriva.
RE: Trains - mb134 - 29 Mar 2016
(28 Mar 2016, 11:26 pm)northern156 Rolling stock is bought by ROSCOs ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_stock_operating_company ) and then leased to various operating companies.
The railway network is made up of various franchises; which private operators bid to run when the franchise is up for renewal. A rather controversial situation especially when you have Stagecoach running all three principal routes between London and the North (they half own Virgin Trains, and EMT is fully Stagecoach).
Other operators run on the network on an Open Access basis; essentially extra services which are not franchised. One example is Grand Central, part of Arriva.
Cheers, it's all making a lot more sense to me now
RE: Trains - Andreos1 - 21 Apr 2016
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/7090894/Crystal-Palace-stars-will-travel-in-style-after-Southampton-clash-on-owners-vintage-steam-train.html
Players and supporters to travel on 'vintage steam train'.
RE: Trains - Andreos1 - 09 May 2016
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36196948
The guy who has taken a photo of every station in Britain.
Lots of references to the NE.
RE: Trains - NK53 TKT - 01 Jun 2016
I was on board a clever train yesterday in LEGOLAND Windsor of all places which uses a pulley system to control it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMWTEe3vSyQ
http://www.hows.org.uk/personal/rail/lego.htm
RE: Trains - Adrian - 01 Jun 2016
(01 Jun 2016, 2:09 pm)NK53 TKT I was on board a clever train yesterday in LEGOLAND Windsor of all places which uses a pulley system to control it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMWTEe3vSyQ
http://www.hows.org.uk/personal/rail/lego.htm
I think northern156 would be trying to claim this as haulage on RailMiles...
RE: Trains - MurdnunoC - 01 Jun 2016
(01 Jun 2016, 2:09 pm)NK53 TKT I was on board a clever train yesterday in LEGOLAND Windsor of all places which uses a pulley system to control it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMWTEe3vSyQ
http://www.hows.org.uk/personal/rail/lego.htm
I imagine it works on the same sort principle as cliff railways - such as the ones found at Scarborough and Saltburn (if the latter still exists).
The use of gauntlet track at Legoland Windsor is interesting too. Croydon Tramlink also uses gauntlet track on a section near Mitcham.
RE: Trains - Andreos1 - 01 Jun 2016
(01 Jun 2016, 2:09 pm)NK53 TKT I was on board a clever train yesterday in LEGOLAND Windsor of all places which uses a pulley system to control it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMWTEe3vSyQ
http://www.hows.org.uk/personal/rail/lego.htm
You could have gone to the Bowes Railway man. Similar set up there with the rope pulleys.
RE: Trains - James101 - 02 Jun 2016
(01 Jun 2016, 2:09 pm)NK53 TKT I was on board a clever train yesterday in LEGOLAND Windsor of all places which uses a pulley system to control it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMWTEe3vSyQ
http://www.hows.org.uk/personal/rail/lego.htm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BGo7sDZVVJ0
I had the pleasure of riding the Tibidabo railway in Barcelona last year. A similar set up but with full size train cars, a lot steeper and a lot older with a lot more creaking noises!
RE: Trains - NK53 TKT - 02 Jun 2016
(02 Jun 2016, 8:43 am)James101 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BGo7sDZVVJ0
I had the pleasure of riding the Tibidabo railway in Barcelona last year. A similar set up but with full size train cars, a lot steeper and a lot older with a lot more creaking noises!
Ah, but I was in LEGOLAND anyway, maybe Barcelona in a few years, having said that, my school has a school trip next year so I may get on it then
RE: Trains - NK53 TKT - 02 Jun 2016
I have an odd question about rail fares:
I am flying from Gatwick-Montego Bay in a years time, at present an open return 1 adult three children is £174.90 looking as far ahead as possible using VTEC NCL-KGX, the Victoria line as far as Victoria then the Gatwick Express. The North terminal car park at Gatwick is shut when I am there so a Premier Inn Park and Fly plus fuel costs equals about £15 more than the train, with rising fares will it become in nine months time when I could book train tickets will it still be better value?
RE: Trains - Andreos1 - 02 Jun 2016
(02 Jun 2016, 10:32 am)NK53 TKT I have an odd question about rail fares:
I am flying from Gatwick-Montego Bay in a years time, at present an open return 1 adult three children is £174.90 looking as far ahead as possible using VTEC NCL-KGX, the Victoria line as far as Victoria then the Gatwick Express. The North terminal car park at Gatwick is shut when I am there so a Premier Inn Park and Fly plus fuel costs equals about £15 more than the train, with rising fares will it become in nine months time when I could book train tickets will it still be better value?
Have you (or your parents), looked at the railcard discounts?
RE: Trains - 8222 - 02 Jun 2016
(02 Jun 2016, 10:32 am)NK53 TKT I have an odd question about rail fares:
I am flying from Gatwick-Montego Bay in a years time, at present an open return 1 adult three children is £174.90 looking as far ahead as possible using VTEC NCL-KGX, the Victoria line as far as Victoria then the Gatwick Express. The North terminal car park at Gatwick is shut when I am there so a Premier Inn Park and Fly plus fuel costs equals about £15 more than the train, with rising fares will it become in nine months time when I could book train tickets will it still be better value?
If I were you, I'd book NCL - KGX then hop it to STP and catch the Thameslink. One train straight from over the road and I swear it's cheaper than GatEx.
RE: Trains - 8222 - 02 Jun 2016
(02 Jun 2016, 11:06 am)8222 If I were you, I'd book NCL - KGX then hop it to STP and catch the Thameslink. One train straight from over the road and I swear it's cheaper than GatEx.
Or even try GC SUN-KGX. I regularly travel SUN - KGX and GC southbound are usually cheaper from my experience. Northbound can vary, but again, GC often are cheaper.
RE: Trains - NK53 TKT - 02 Jun 2016
(02 Jun 2016, 10:59 am)Andreos1 Have you (or your parents), looked at the railcard discounts?
I should've mentioned that it includes a Family & Friends Railcard
RE: Trains - NK53 TKT - 02 Jun 2016
(02 Jun 2016, 11:06 am)8222 If I were you, I'd book NCL - KGX then hop it to STP and catch the Thameslink. One train straight from over the road and I swear it's cheaper than GatEx.
I just went on the VTEC website, I am aware that thameslink would be a bit less hassle free, but I think it would be busy with 4 full size suitcases
RE: Trains - 8222 - 02 Jun 2016
(02 Jun 2016, 11:16 am)NK53 TKT I just went on the VTEC website, I am aware that thameslink would be a bit less hassle free, but I think it would be busy with 4 full size suitcases
I've done it several times and honestly - it's not that bad at all.
RE: Trains - NK53 TKT - 02 Jun 2016
(02 Jun 2016, 11:07 am)8222 Or even try GC SUN-KGX. I regularly travel SUN - KGX and GC southbound are usually cheaper from my experience. Northbound can vary, but again, GC often are cheaper.
I definitely won't be going Grand Central as it would take longer and I need to be at Gatwick by 20:30 and if I get on the 16:00 VTEC train from Newcastle I can get there at 20:15, just the flight leaves at 10:20 in the morning
RE: Trains - 8222 - 02 Jun 2016
(02 Jun 2016, 11:17 am)NK53 TKT I definitely won't be going Grand Central as it would take longer and I need to be at Gatwick by 20:30 and if I get on the 16:00 VTEC train from Newcastle I can get there at 20:15, just the flight leaves at 10:20 in the morning
I think cases and the Victoria line would be a nightmare I should imagine. Even on my frequent hops on the Piccadilly line to LHR, which is meant to have extra case room, there's not that much extra. The Thameslink trains are quite spacious and at that time, they won't be too bad from experience. The standard off-peak single fare looks to be about £10. I'm sure they do advance tickets for cheaper.