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Re: Tyne and Wear Metro - MrFozz - 25 Mar 2014
On the news today it was reported Nexus want to extend the Metro
Plans to expand the Tyne and Wear Metro
![[Image: tyne-and-wear-metro-expansion-plan-1395749384.png]](http://assets.capitalfm.com/2014/12/tyne-and-wear-metro-expansion-plan-1395749384.png)
All in all the plan is for 22 new stations, as the picture above shows the plan is an extension to the West End of Newcastle, also to the MetroCentre, some of it will be street running trams
A new line from Pelaw to South Hylton forming a Wearside/South Tyneside Loop
A new line from South Shields to Doxford Park
A link from Northumberland Park to Silverlink
An extension to Seaham is also part of the plan.
According to the news it will close to 2030 by the time it is complete and will cost somewhere close to a Billion Quid...Where will nexus get that kind of money from to fund it???
What is peoples thoughts, personally I think if there going to come into Co. Durham, then Nexus should look at extending to Blyth, Ashington, Bedlington along the old Blyth and Tyne Line and also to Penshw and Fencehouses* Belmont to make use of the Durham Park and Ride...
I will have probably cashed my heavenly chips in at the big casino in the sky by the time this comes off
*Mr FPP spokesman, would the FPP support a rail service either light or heavy coming your way
RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - Andreos1 - 25 Mar 2014
(25 Mar 2014, 9:18 pm)marxistafozzski On the news today it was reported Nexus want to extend the Metro
Plans to expand the Tyne and Wear Metro
All in all the plan is for 22 new stations, as the picture above shows the plan is an extension to the West End of Newcastle, also to the MetroCentre, some of it will be street running trams
A new line from Pelaw to South Hylton forming a Wearside/South Tyneside Loop
A new line from South Shields to Doxford Park
A link from Northumberland Park to Silverlink
An extension to Seaham is also part of the plan.
According to the news it will close to 2030 by the time it is complete and will cost somewhere close to a Billion Quid...Where will nexus get that kind of money from to fund it???
What is peoples thoughts, personally I think if there going to come into Co. Durham, then Nexus should look at extending to Blyth, Ashington, Bedlington along the old Blyth and Tyne Line and also to Penshw and Fencehouses* Belmont to make use of the Durham Park and Ride...
I will have probably cashed my heavenly chips in at the big casino in the sky by the time this comes off
*Mr FPP spokesman, would the FPP support a rail service either light or heavy coming your way
The FPP would strongly support the re-introduction of light or heavy rail into Fencehouses - as long as services continued to call, after the clock strikes 21:00.
GNE may even decide to run a service after 21:00 to complement the trains too!
RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - Tom - 25 Mar 2014
(25 Mar 2014, 9:18 pm)marxistafozzski On the news today it was reported Nexus want to extend the Metro
Plans to expand the Tyne and Wear Metro
All in all the plan is for 22 new stations, as the picture above shows the plan is an extension to the West End of Newcastle, also to the MetroCentre, some of it will be street running trams
A new line from Pelaw to South Hylton forming a Wearside/South Tyneside Loop
A new line from South Shields to Doxford Park
A link from Northumberland Park to Silverlink
An extension to Seaham is also part of the plan.
According to the news it will close to 2030 by the time it is complete and will cost somewhere close to a Billion Quid...Where will nexus get that kind of money from to fund it???
What is peoples thoughts, personally I think if there going to come into Co. Durham, then Nexus should look at extending to Blyth, Ashington, Bedlington along the old Blyth and Tyne Line and also to Penshw and Fencehouses* Belmont to make use of the Durham Park and Ride...
I will have probably cashed my heavenly chips in at the big casino in the sky by the time this comes off
*Mr FPP spokesman, would the FPP support a rail service either light or heavy coming your way
I hate the idea.
Re: RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - MrFozz - 25 Mar 2014
(25 Mar 2014, 9:33 pm)Tom I hate the idea.
I am not sure about it to be honest, I can see the case for connecting Washington even a direct line between Sunderland and Shields, but Seaham and Doxford Park(I am guessing that will benefit Doxford Int'l more).
What I also dont understand is how will it get up the West End, it would cost close to a kings ransom to tunnel from St James'(or would the West End be worked by street running trams, also Metrocentre, would it head over the mainline or again would be done for trams.
All in all, I dont have a strong opinion on it, I dont use the Metro much, but one thing I would like to know, wheres the readies coming from, will Nexus have to stump it up, will it be financed by Deutsche Bahn or will come from the Government/Local Government???
RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - Tom - 25 Mar 2014
(25 Mar 2014, 9:57 pm)marxistafozzski I am not sure about it to be honest, I can see the case for connecting Washington even a direct line between Sunderland and Shields, but Seaham and Doxford Park(I am guessing that will benefit Doxford Int'l more).
What I also dont understand is how will it get up the West End, it would cost close to a kings ransom to tunnel from St James'(or would the West End be worked by street running trams, also Metrocentre, would it head over the mainline or again would be done for trams.
All in all, I dont have a strong opinion on it, I dont use the Metro much, but one thing I would like to know, wheres the readies coming from, will Nexus have to stump it up, will it be financed by Deutsche Bahn or will come from the Government/Local Government???
I guess more people would opt for the X1 between Washington and Newcastle, rather than a change at Pelaw.
Northumberland Park-Percy Main is a complete waste of time, if people are travelling between Cobalt and Newcastle, they'd probably go for the cheaper (and quicker!) option of a 58X/X9/X39.
Seaham-Sunderland isn't too bad, but still not the biggest fan of it.
Hate the one to the west end of Newcastle/Metrocentre/Team Valley, a irrational idea in my opinion.
RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - Andreos1 - 25 Mar 2014
(25 Mar 2014, 10:02 pm)Tom I guess more people would opt for the X1 between Washington and Newcastle, rather than a change at Pelaw.
Northumberland Park-Percy Main is a complete waste of time, if people are travelling between Cobalt and Newcastle, they'd probably go for the cheaper (and quicker!) option of a 58X/X9/X39.
Seaham-Sunderland isn't too bad, but still not the biggest fan of it.
Hate the one to the west end of Newcastle/Metrocentre/Team Valley, a irrational idea in my opinion.
QCS will have kicked in then man
Prices will be all under the one 'cheaper' band
RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - Adrian - 25 Mar 2014
It needs to cover Tyne and Wear before they even think about extending it out-with.
As for the plans themselves. It's all pie in the sky once again. This is just a rehash of Project Orpheus from 2003. Local councillors are talking about it now as if it's a done deal, but not even the £300m has been granted for the rolling stock alone. Those proposed extensions in addition? They may as well times that figure by 4.
If I had a little more faith in the ability to deliver this project, I'd say two of the extensions have more merit than the others. Those being the Cobalt and Washington links.
1) Cobalt link should be pretty straight forward. Wasn't the Metro test track in that area? Is it still available for use? It'd also provide a fast link from Newcastle (currently 32 mins by bus)
2) Washington link would provide as many benefits for Network Rail and Nissan as it would for Metro. Reopening of the Leamside line, and creating a loop between the Viaduct and South Hylton would be the preferred option. Reopening the line all the way to Ferryhill would give the ECML extra capacity, and could also be extended to provide direct freight links from Nissan to the Port of Tyne.
Pie in the sky though.
Re: RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - MrFozz - 25 Mar 2014
(25 Mar 2014, 10:02 pm)Tom I guess more people would opt for the X1 between Washington and Newcastle, rather than a change at Pelaw.
Northumberland Park-Percy Main is a complete waste of time, if people are travelling between Cobalt and Newcastle, they'd probably go for the cheaper (and quicker!) option of a 58X/X9/X39.
http://Seaham-Sunderland isn't too bad, but still not the biggest fan of it.
Hate the one to the west end of Newcastle/Metrocentre/Team Valley, a irrational idea in my opinion.
I dont see the point in extending to Seaham, if the service, was direct to Newcastle, would it offer quicker journey times than Northern which is about 35-40 mins at present, It could possibly compete with the 60 for journey time...
What about a direct Sunderland-Shields link, could that compete with the 35 and E1/2/6...
To be honest I would look more into it before I decide I hate the idea completely...
I wonder if this will end up being Project Orpheus MkII and quietly abandoned, never to be seen again
RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - Tom - 25 Mar 2014
(25 Mar 2014, 10:14 pm)Andreos Constantopolous QCS will have kicked in then man
Prices will be all under the one 'cheaper' band
Lets hope not ;-)
(25 Mar 2014, 10:18 pm)aureolin It needs to cover Tyne and Wear before they even think about extending it out-with.
As for the plans themselves. It's all pie in the sky once again. This is just a rehash of Project Orpheus from 2003. Local councillors are talking about it now as if it's a done deal, but not even the £300m has been granted for the rolling stock alone. Those proposed extensions in addition? They may as well times that figure by 4.
If I had a little more faith in the ability to deliver this project, I'd say two of the extensions have more merit than the others. Those being the Cobalt and Washington links.
1) Cobalt link should be pretty straight forward. Wasn't the Metro test track in that area? Is it still available for use? It'd also provide a fast link from Newcastle (currently 32 mins by bus)
2) Washington link would provide as many benefits for Network Rail and Nissan as it would for Metro. Reopening of the Leamside line, and creating a loop between the Viaduct and South Hylton would be the preferred option. Reopening the line all the way to Ferryhill would give the ECML extra capacity, and could also be extended to provide direct freight links from Nissan to the Port of Tyne.
Pie in the sky though.
The problem you've got with the Cobalt link, is the change at Percy Main. Potentially, this could mean the bus is quicker. For example, it could take 4/5 minutes from Cobalt to Percy Main. Unless they are made to connect, this could mean I have a 10 minute wait, on top of the 15 minutes journey time. This is a potential 30 minute journey time, and I know what one I'd prefer.
I agree the Washington link would provide benefits for Network Rail and Nissan, in addition to the metro. However, the only problem I have with these proposed plans, is how it would effect the bus. I'm guessing journey times would be shorter than the X1 owing to the 6 minute frequency at Pelaw, and this would effect the X1 considerably, as the amount of passengers boarding/alighting at Washington is usually high. I'd hate to see such a popular service go downhill because of these extensions to the Metro.
(25 Mar 2014, 10:20 pm)marxistafozzski I dont see the point in extending to Seaham, if the service, was direct to Newcastle, would it offer quicker journey times than Northern which is about 35-40 mins at present, It could possibly compete with the 60 for journey time...
What about a direct Sunderland-Shields link, could that compete with the 35 and E1/2/6...
To be honest I would look more into it before I decide I hate the idea completely...
I wonder if this will end up being Project Orpheus MkII and quietly abandoned, never to be seen again
I don't really see a huge benefit in extending the service to Sunderland, as most people wanting to go to Sunderland or Newcastle would use the Northern Rail. However, it could compete with Northern Rail if the prices were lower, but regardless, I'd rather be on Northern Rail, which is a 40 minutes journey time, as opposed to a 60-70 minute journey time.
Again, I don't like the extension to South Shields from Sunderland either. Same with the Washington line, this would effect the E1/E2/E6 and more so the Laser services big time. The Laser is usually very busy between South Shields and Sunderland. However, could the Metro compete with such a regular service along that section of the route, with the E1/E2/E6 having a 6/7 minute combined frequency, and the Laser having a 10 minute combined frequency, I'm really not sure.
Same with the pathetic idea of extending the metro to Metrocentre and Team Valley? This would also effect the bus services, but massive decrease numbers on the 100/X66, I reckon. But overall, this I massively doubt that this will happen, and I agree this project will be abandoned, and a rehash of Project Orpheus from 2003. The way it's been on the news and in the newspapers is like it's going to happen tomorrow!
Re: Tyne and Wear Metro - MrFozz - 25 Mar 2014
http://www.twita.gov.uk/sites/default/files/agenda_document/ITA%20140327.pdf
The Minutes from a Nexus meeting...It talks a bit more in depth about Metros future from page 31
Re: RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - Adrian - 25 Mar 2014
(25 Mar 2014, 10:39 pm)Tom I agree the Washington link would provide benefits for Network Rail and Nissan, in addition to the metro. However, the only problem I have with these proposed plans, is how it would effect the bus. I'm guessing journey times would be shorter than the X1 owing to the 6 minute frequency at Pelaw, and this would effect the X1 considerably, as the amount of passengers boarding/alighting at Washington is usually high. I'd hate to see such a popular service go downhill because of these extensions to the Metro.
X1 is a commercial operation, and the metro extension would be public money invested in a public service. I wouldnt lose sleep over a commercial organisations balance sheets not looking as healthy as they once were.
Washington to Newcastle journey times would be almost halved at an estimate from the current X1 times.
RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - MurdnunoC - 26 Mar 2014
Although I would like to see both the rail and metro networks extended throughout Tyne and Wear and the North East in general, I think the plans unveiled by Nexus are overly ambitious and will probably not see light of day in its present form.
Of the proposed plans, only the South Shields to Sunderland and the Washington extension (either from Pelaw or South Hylton) are currently feasible. But even then, the Washington proposal is iffy as I seriously doubt it would ever go anywhere near to the Galleries. The mere suggestion of this is quite laughable. In agreement with others, I too think that Washington would be better served by heavy-rail with a parkway-type station around the Usworth/Barmston area which could increase connectivity with other areas of the North East (and the country) if the Leamside Line was ever reopened.
The Sunderland to South Shields link could be achieved through converting the freight line to Tyne Dock and by building a short chord between the freight and metro lines. It wouldn't be that hard to achieve as, up until the early 90s, a BR line ran parallel to the Metro line in order to serve Westoe Colliery - the remnants of which are still visible. However, the current plans seem to suggest the reopening of the Harton line - something which I don't think will ever happen.
As for the rest of the plans, I think that an extension into the West End of Newcastle and, perhaps, Doxford Park would have potential economic benefits in terms of rider-ship. But I believe that the geological strata beyond St James would make tunnelling very expensive and very difficult. An extension to Doxford Park would also be expensive, however, I have read that land has been reserved to make this a viable prospect in the future. The extension to Seaham is pointless it is already served by rail and the extension of the Metro would offer no real benefit in my view; and, as with Washington, Team Valley and Metrocentre would benefit more by extending the scope of the current rail-network.
Another point to consider is the current level of capacity of the Pelaw to Sunderland stretch of line. A Sunderland to South Shields extension would would obviously increase that capacity no matter which way it was routed and, unless the Doxford Park link ran to South Shields or terminated at Sunderland, that would also potentially increase capacity towards Newcastle.
Personally, I prefer the permanent way over roads as, in theory at least, it leads to less delays through traffic congestion resulting in quicker journey times. But I think Nexus really need to address problems currently facing the Metro network (in terms of reliability and rolling-stock) before embarking on any schemes towards expansion.
RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - gtom - 26 Mar 2014
Re - those proposals.
They may have said 'all trains will be pulled by magical unicorns' as thats about as likely as this is
RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - MurdnunoC - 26 Mar 2014
(26 Mar 2014, 10:38 am)gtom Re - those proposals.
They may have said 'all trains will be pulled by magical unicorns' as thats about as likely as this is
Indeed. To crudely paraphrase a friend of mine "I wouldn't wipe my arse with these proposals as they contain so much shit that my arse would end up dirtier than before".
RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - Andreos1 - 27 Mar 2014
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/metro-starts-trials-pay-as-you-go-smartcards-6883384?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
PAYG Pop card trials launched
RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - Malarkey - 27 Mar 2014
(25 Mar 2014, 9:18 pm)marxistafozzski On the news today it was reported Nexus want to extend the Metro
Plans to expand the Tyne and Wear Metro
All in all the plan is for 22 new stations, as the picture above shows the plan is an extension to the West End of Newcastle, also to the MetroCentre, some of it will be street running trams
A new line from Pelaw to South Hylton forming a Wearside/South Tyneside Loop
A new line from South Shields to Doxford Park
A link from Northumberland Park to Silverlink
An extension to Seaham is also part of the plan.
According to the news it will close to 2030 by the time it is complete and will cost somewhere close to a Billion Quid...Where will nexus get that kind of money from to fund it???
What is peoples thoughts, personally I think if there going to come into Co. Durham, then Nexus should look at extending to Blyth, Ashington, Bedlington along the old Blyth and Tyne Line and also to Penshw and Fencehouses* Belmont to make use of the Durham Park and Ride...
I will have probably cashed my heavenly chips in at the big casino in the sky by the time this comes off
*Mr FPP spokesman, would the FPP support a rail service either light or heavy coming your way
Wonder if eezypeazy came up with this idea.
RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - Andreos1 - 27 Mar 2014
(27 Mar 2014, 7:30 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Wonder if eezypeazy came up with this idea.
It has missed out Fencehouses - so quite possibly
RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - Dan - 27 Mar 2014
(26 Mar 2014, 1:02 pm)AdamY Indeed. To crudely paraphrase a friend of mine "I wouldn't wipe my arse with these proposals as they contain so much shit that my arse would end up dirtier than before".
The proposals were brought up in the Common Room today - I had to paraphrase that line myself!
RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - Andreos1 - 04 Apr 2014
Has anyone had the email from Nexus re POP Card PAYG trials?
Re: RE: Tyne and Wear Metro - Adrian - 04 Apr 2014
(04 Apr 2014, 12:04 pm)Andreos Constantopolous Has anyone had the email from Nexus re POP Card PAYG trials?
Yep