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Jamie M

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10 May 2018, 12:12 pm #1,101
(09 May 2018, 7:51 pm)L469 YVK Well for starters, the StreetDecks would only be used on 'some' 309 trips; mainly during the evenings and on Sundays. The majority of StreetDeck workings would be on service 310 and also the X39. Having a heavy duty decker being tugged around on the 310 is surely more costly compared to a Volvo B9TL being used on a route that it is suited for (i.e the X21). And GNE wouldn't have considered GKN modifications on the B9TLs if they weren't deemed too heavy duty for the Cobalt Clipper (particularly the 310). 

An hour on the X21 covers 10 kilometres more of it's journey than an hour run on the 310. It's longer distance in the same time, this means more BSOG payment by some margin at the end of the day.
Just between the Newcastle -> Durham section of the X21 and the whole of the 310 between Newcastle -> North Shields 7am -> 5pm  in a day (take 6p per kilometre):
310: 18 kilometres -> £0.29 38 trips -> £11.02
X21: 28 Kilometres -> £0.45 25 trips -> £11.25

So just the fast part of the X21 earns more BSOG in a day period than the 310 does in that same period of time.

The Misc X39 (10km @6p over 3 trips) / 309 trips £10.50 (29km @ 6p over 5 trips)
The southern part of the X21 is another £11.22 (11km @ 6p over 30 trips)

BSOG on 310/X39 with select 309 journeys comes to £21.52 x 2 = £43.04
BSOG on X21 comes to £22.47 x 2 = £44.94

So the conclusion here is the X21 saves the most money. The routes are very similar in terms of speedlimits offered (on 309) so I would discredit any argument about reliability. The GKN modification doesn't seem relevant to the discussion of reliability or indeed anything, unless it saves more money offered than the Euro 6 MH Streetdecks. The only way you're going to make a cost-effective based move is if that is true. The statement that "iif they weren't deemed too heavy duty" is mere opinion at this moment in time, unless you have any data to support your argument.

(09 May 2018, 7:51 pm)L469 YVK And in terms  of reliability with regards to 'similar work', the only truly fast sections of route on the 309 are:
- Coast Road between Benfield Road and Station Road
- Blyth Road between Whitley Bay and Old Hartley
- Links Road between Seaton Sluice and South Beach

And as for the 310, the only fast section of route is the Coast Road between Benfield Road and Station Road.

Again, you can't have it both ways and this only invalidates your point. The longer and faster the trip, the more distance covered in the same time, hence higher BSOG payments. It only makes sense to allocate the higher-BSOG paying buses to where they would earn the most money!
Jamie M
10 May 2018, 12:12 pm #1,101

(09 May 2018, 7:51 pm)L469 YVK Well for starters, the StreetDecks would only be used on 'some' 309 trips; mainly during the evenings and on Sundays. The majority of StreetDeck workings would be on service 310 and also the X39. Having a heavy duty decker being tugged around on the 310 is surely more costly compared to a Volvo B9TL being used on a route that it is suited for (i.e the X21). And GNE wouldn't have considered GKN modifications on the B9TLs if they weren't deemed too heavy duty for the Cobalt Clipper (particularly the 310). 

An hour on the X21 covers 10 kilometres more of it's journey than an hour run on the 310. It's longer distance in the same time, this means more BSOG payment by some margin at the end of the day.
Just between the Newcastle -> Durham section of the X21 and the whole of the 310 between Newcastle -> North Shields 7am -> 5pm  in a day (take 6p per kilometre):
310: 18 kilometres -> £0.29 38 trips -> £11.02
X21: 28 Kilometres -> £0.45 25 trips -> £11.25

So just the fast part of the X21 earns more BSOG in a day period than the 310 does in that same period of time.

The Misc X39 (10km @6p over 3 trips) / 309 trips £10.50 (29km @ 6p over 5 trips)
The southern part of the X21 is another £11.22 (11km @ 6p over 30 trips)

BSOG on 310/X39 with select 309 journeys comes to £21.52 x 2 = £43.04
BSOG on X21 comes to £22.47 x 2 = £44.94

So the conclusion here is the X21 saves the most money. The routes are very similar in terms of speedlimits offered (on 309) so I would discredit any argument about reliability. The GKN modification doesn't seem relevant to the discussion of reliability or indeed anything, unless it saves more money offered than the Euro 6 MH Streetdecks. The only way you're going to make a cost-effective based move is if that is true. The statement that "iif they weren't deemed too heavy duty" is mere opinion at this moment in time, unless you have any data to support your argument.

(09 May 2018, 7:51 pm)L469 YVK And in terms  of reliability with regards to 'similar work', the only truly fast sections of route on the 309 are:
- Coast Road between Benfield Road and Station Road
- Blyth Road between Whitley Bay and Old Hartley
- Links Road between Seaton Sluice and South Beach

And as for the 310, the only fast section of route is the Coast Road between Benfield Road and Station Road.

Again, you can't have it both ways and this only invalidates your point. The longer and faster the trip, the more distance covered in the same time, hence higher BSOG payments. It only makes sense to allocate the higher-BSOG paying buses to where they would earn the most money!

Andreos1



14,212
10 May 2018, 12:24 pm #1,102
(10 May 2018, 12:12 pm)Jamie M An hour on the X21 covers 10 kilometres more of it's journey than an hour run on the 310. It's longer distance in the same time, this means more BSOG payment by some margin at the end of the day.
Just between the Newcastle -> Durham section of the X21 and the whole of the 310 between Newcastle -> North Shields 7am -> 5pm  in a day (take 6p per kilometre):
310: 18 kilometres -> £0.29 38 trips -> £11.02
X21: 28 Kilometres -> £0.45 25 trips -> £11.25

So just the fast part of the X21 earns more BSOG in a day period than the 310 does in that same period of time.

The Misc X39 (10km @6p over 3 trips) / 309 trips £10.50 (29km @ 6p over 5 trips)
The southern part of the X21 is another £11.22 (11km @ 6p over 30 trips)

BSOG on 310/X39 with select 309 journeys comes to £21.52 x 2 = £43.04
BSOG on X21 comes to £22.47 x 2 = £44.94

So the conclusion here is the X21 saves the most money. The routes are very similar in terms of speedlimits offered (on 309) so I would discredit any argument about reliability. The GKN modification doesn't seem relevant to the discussion of reliability or indeed anything, unless it saves more money offered than the Euro 6 MH Streetdecks. The only way you're going to make a cost-effective based move is if that is true. The statement that "iif they weren't deemed too heavy duty" is mere opinion at this moment in time, unless you have any data to support your argument.


Again, you can't have it both ways and this only invalidates your point. The longer and faster the trip, the more distance covered in the same time, hence higher BSOG payments. It only makes sense to allocate the higher-BSOG paying buses to where they would earn the most money!

Not wanting to split hairs in a post I tend to agree with, the BIB is the only part I disagree with.

It may be that the allocation of a vehicle picking up enhanced BSOG payments makes a route viable.
Whilst the 310 may make money and swapping it with vehicles from the X21 may not make too much sense from a financial perspective, the allocation of the B5's to the 1, should assist its margins and help maintain frequency on the quieter sections of the route.
Not only that, but there may be a case for a better mpg compared to the Omni's.

I've not been fortunate/unfortunate enough to ride or follow a B5 up the hillier sections of the route, so can't comment on the suitability from that perspective.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
10 May 2018, 12:24 pm #1,102

(10 May 2018, 12:12 pm)Jamie M An hour on the X21 covers 10 kilometres more of it's journey than an hour run on the 310. It's longer distance in the same time, this means more BSOG payment by some margin at the end of the day.
Just between the Newcastle -> Durham section of the X21 and the whole of the 310 between Newcastle -> North Shields 7am -> 5pm  in a day (take 6p per kilometre):
310: 18 kilometres -> £0.29 38 trips -> £11.02
X21: 28 Kilometres -> £0.45 25 trips -> £11.25

So just the fast part of the X21 earns more BSOG in a day period than the 310 does in that same period of time.

The Misc X39 (10km @6p over 3 trips) / 309 trips £10.50 (29km @ 6p over 5 trips)
The southern part of the X21 is another £11.22 (11km @ 6p over 30 trips)

BSOG on 310/X39 with select 309 journeys comes to £21.52 x 2 = £43.04
BSOG on X21 comes to £22.47 x 2 = £44.94

So the conclusion here is the X21 saves the most money. The routes are very similar in terms of speedlimits offered (on 309) so I would discredit any argument about reliability. The GKN modification doesn't seem relevant to the discussion of reliability or indeed anything, unless it saves more money offered than the Euro 6 MH Streetdecks. The only way you're going to make a cost-effective based move is if that is true. The statement that "iif they weren't deemed too heavy duty" is mere opinion at this moment in time, unless you have any data to support your argument.


Again, you can't have it both ways and this only invalidates your point. The longer and faster the trip, the more distance covered in the same time, hence higher BSOG payments. It only makes sense to allocate the higher-BSOG paying buses to where they would earn the most money!

Not wanting to split hairs in a post I tend to agree with, the BIB is the only part I disagree with.

It may be that the allocation of a vehicle picking up enhanced BSOG payments makes a route viable.
Whilst the 310 may make money and swapping it with vehicles from the X21 may not make too much sense from a financial perspective, the allocation of the B5's to the 1, should assist its margins and help maintain frequency on the quieter sections of the route.
Not only that, but there may be a case for a better mpg compared to the Omni's.

I've not been fortunate/unfortunate enough to ride or follow a B5 up the hillier sections of the route, so can't comment on the suitability from that perspective.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Jamie M

Unregistered

 
10 May 2018, 1:03 pm #1,103
(10 May 2018, 12:24 pm)Andreos1 Not wanting to split hairs in a post I tend to agree with, the BIB is the only part I disagree with.

It may be that the allocation of a vehicle picking up enhanced BSOG payments makes a route viable.
Whilst the 310 may make money and swapping it with vehicles from the X21 may not make too much sense from a financial perspective, the allocation of the B5's to the 1, should assist its margins and help maintain frequency on the quieter sections of the route.
Not only that, but there may be a case for a better mpg compared to the Omni's.

I've not been fortunate/unfortunate enough to ride or follow a B5 up the hillier sections of the route, so can't comment on the suitability from that perspective.

The B5s spent every night going up hills near Bishop Auckland, for which there are a few, with ease. The B5s to the 1 was a strong move and seems to be a success so far, but I think it offers next to nothing to swap B9s. I think that very much is splitting hairs at this stage, with the example given. The statement I gave at the end may only apply in this scenario, rather than a general rule though, I agree.
Jamie M
10 May 2018, 1:03 pm #1,103

(10 May 2018, 12:24 pm)Andreos1 Not wanting to split hairs in a post I tend to agree with, the BIB is the only part I disagree with.

It may be that the allocation of a vehicle picking up enhanced BSOG payments makes a route viable.
Whilst the 310 may make money and swapping it with vehicles from the X21 may not make too much sense from a financial perspective, the allocation of the B5's to the 1, should assist its margins and help maintain frequency on the quieter sections of the route.
Not only that, but there may be a case for a better mpg compared to the Omni's.

I've not been fortunate/unfortunate enough to ride or follow a B5 up the hillier sections of the route, so can't comment on the suitability from that perspective.

The B5s spent every night going up hills near Bishop Auckland, for which there are a few, with ease. The B5s to the 1 was a strong move and seems to be a success so far, but I think it offers next to nothing to swap B9s. I think that very much is splitting hairs at this stage, with the example given. The statement I gave at the end may only apply in this scenario, rather than a general rule though, I agree.

BusLoverMum



5,281
10 May 2018, 6:49 pm #1,104
(08 May 2018, 8:56 pm)L469 YVK Why were most of the Streetdecks not on the Castles Express?

Unless there has been a genuine traffic / timetable issue or they could only get inspected today (or a couple were in for inspection, 6 out of 7 2yo buses off the road is shocking.

On a serious note, if GNE decide to split the majority of 309/310 boards (not saying that they will), swapping 7x StreetDecks for 7x B9TLs would be a very wise move if the opportunity came about.

It was the same when I went into Newcastle, last week. The route passes close to my house and I haven't seen a castles express vehicle for a while. I'm wondering if some warranty work is being done on them.
BusLoverMum
10 May 2018, 6:49 pm #1,104

(08 May 2018, 8:56 pm)L469 YVK Why were most of the Streetdecks not on the Castles Express?

Unless there has been a genuine traffic / timetable issue or they could only get inspected today (or a couple were in for inspection, 6 out of 7 2yo buses off the road is shocking.

On a serious note, if GNE decide to split the majority of 309/310 boards (not saying that they will), swapping 7x StreetDecks for 7x B9TLs would be a very wise move if the opportunity came about.

It was the same when I went into Newcastle, last week. The route passes close to my house and I haven't seen a castles express vehicle for a while. I'm wondering if some warranty work is being done on them.

L469 YVK



3,549
11 May 2018, 4:16 am #1,105
Well, just done my sums based on a timetable that I created but haven't sent to GNE as it would only work with StreetDecks. 

Basically, if StreetDecks were to work the 310 with the 5x X39 runs thrown in (1x continued to remain a car working) as well as some early morning and evening 309 journeys, the total BSOG grant payable for the Monday to Friday journeys would stand at £120.59 @ 6p per KM.

Note: (E) means the bus operates via Norham Road North, then the exact same route as the 309 via Cobalt.

6301 Monday to Friday 130.7M/210.34KM @ £12.62:
310#0635 NORHAM ROAD NORTH > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0652 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
X39#0754 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > COBALT VILLAGE HOTEL
310#0824 NORHAM ROAD NORTH > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0847 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0943 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1034 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1128 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1219 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1313 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1404 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1458 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1554 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1703 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS

6302 Monday to Friday 203M/326.7KM @ £19.60 :
310#0705 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0808 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0903 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0958 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1049 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1143 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1234 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1328 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1419 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1513 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1606 NORTH SHIELDS > NORHAM ROAD NORTH
X39#1635 COBALT VILLAGE HOTEL > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1718 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1818 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
309#1908 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > BLYTH
309#2018 BLYTH > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
309#2120 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > BLYTH
309#2216 BLYTH > NEW YORK

6303 Monday to Friday 130.7M/210.34KM @ £12.62:
310#0703 NORHAM ROAD NORTH > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0720 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
X39#0824 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > COBALT VILLAGE HOTEL
310#0856 NORHAM ROAD NORTH > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0919 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1013 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1104 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1158 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1249 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1343 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1434 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1528 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1626 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1734 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS

6304 Monday to Friday 203.8M/327.98KM @ £19.67:
310#0736 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0840 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0934 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1028 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1119 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1213 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1304 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1358 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1449 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1543 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1637 NORTH SHIELDS > NORHAM ROAD NORTH
X39#1705 COBALT VILLAGE HOTEL > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1753 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1848 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1935 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#2019 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#2105 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310(E)#2151 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#2240 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > BATTLE HILL JOLLY BOWMAN
309#2304 BATTLE HILL JOLLY BOWMAN > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#2330 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS

6305 Monday to Friday 144.3M/232.23KM @ £13.93:
309#0637 BATTLE HILL JOLLY BOWMAN > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0703 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0752 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0856 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0949 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1043 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1134 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1228 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1319 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1413 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1504 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1559 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1657 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1808 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS

6306 Monday to Friday 226.4M/364.36KM @ £21.86:
309#0605 BLYTH BUS STATION > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
X39#0724 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0810 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0912 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1004 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1058 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1149 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1243 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1334 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1428 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1521 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1618 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1718 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1823 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1918 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#2005 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310(E)#2051 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#2140 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#2221 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
309#2305 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > BLYTH BUS STATION

6307 Monday to Friday 210.1KM/338.12KM @ £20.29:
310#0639 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0735 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0830 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0928 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1019 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1113 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1204 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1258 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1349 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1443 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1538 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1648 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1759 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1858 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1948 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#2035 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#2116 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
309#2200 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > BLYTH BUS STATION
309#2256 BLYTH BUS STATION > NEW YORK
Edited 11 May 2018, 4:18 am by L469 YVK.
L469 YVK
11 May 2018, 4:16 am #1,105

Well, just done my sums based on a timetable that I created but haven't sent to GNE as it would only work with StreetDecks. 

Basically, if StreetDecks were to work the 310 with the 5x X39 runs thrown in (1x continued to remain a car working) as well as some early morning and evening 309 journeys, the total BSOG grant payable for the Monday to Friday journeys would stand at £120.59 @ 6p per KM.

Note: (E) means the bus operates via Norham Road North, then the exact same route as the 309 via Cobalt.

6301 Monday to Friday 130.7M/210.34KM @ £12.62:
310#0635 NORHAM ROAD NORTH > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0652 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
X39#0754 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > COBALT VILLAGE HOTEL
310#0824 NORHAM ROAD NORTH > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0847 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0943 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1034 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1128 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1219 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1313 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1404 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1458 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1554 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1703 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS

6302 Monday to Friday 203M/326.7KM @ £19.60 :
310#0705 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0808 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0903 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0958 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1049 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1143 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1234 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1328 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1419 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1513 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1606 NORTH SHIELDS > NORHAM ROAD NORTH
X39#1635 COBALT VILLAGE HOTEL > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1718 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1818 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
309#1908 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > BLYTH
309#2018 BLYTH > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
309#2120 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > BLYTH
309#2216 BLYTH > NEW YORK

6303 Monday to Friday 130.7M/210.34KM @ £12.62:
310#0703 NORHAM ROAD NORTH > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0720 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
X39#0824 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > COBALT VILLAGE HOTEL
310#0856 NORHAM ROAD NORTH > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0919 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1013 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1104 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1158 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1249 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1343 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1434 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1528 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1626 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1734 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS

6304 Monday to Friday 203.8M/327.98KM @ £19.67:
310#0736 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0840 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0934 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1028 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1119 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1213 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1304 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1358 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1449 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1543 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1637 NORTH SHIELDS > NORHAM ROAD NORTH
X39#1705 COBALT VILLAGE HOTEL > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1753 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#1848 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1935 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#2019 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#2105 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310(E)#2151 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#2240 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > BATTLE HILL JOLLY BOWMAN
309#2304 BATTLE HILL JOLLY BOWMAN > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#2330 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS

6305 Monday to Friday 144.3M/232.23KM @ £13.93:
309#0637 BATTLE HILL JOLLY BOWMAN > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0703 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0752 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
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310#1657 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#1808 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS

6306 Monday to Friday 226.4M/364.36KM @ £21.86:
309#0605 BLYTH BUS STATION > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
X39#0724 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0810 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
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310#1004 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
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310#1918 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#2005 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310(E)#2051 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#2140 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#2221 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
309#2305 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > BLYTH BUS STATION

6307 Monday to Friday 210.1KM/338.12KM @ £20.29:
310#0639 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
310#0735 NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET > NORTH SHIELDS
310#0830 NORTH SHIELDS > NEWCASTLE HAYMARKET
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309#2256 BLYTH BUS STATION > NEW YORK

Andreos1



14,212
11 May 2018, 3:39 pm #1,106
(10 May 2018, 1:03 pm)Jamie M The B5s spent every night going up hills near Bishop Auckland, for which there are a few, with ease. The B5s to the 1 was a strong move and seems to be a success so far, but I think it offers next to nothing to swap B9s. I think that very much is splitting hairs at this stage, with the example given. The statement I gave at the end may only apply in this scenario, rather than a general rule though, I agree.

Didn't really want to get in to a discussion about my hill being bigger than your hill or the size of things, but having recollected about the route near Bishop...
I reckon I am pretty sure the climb from Chowdene/Gold Medal up to Wrekenton is certainly both longer and steeper than anything they would have encountered near Bishop.

Mind apart from Chowdene and Rosehill Banks, the rest of the route the 1 takes is pretty undulating.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
11 May 2018, 3:39 pm #1,106

(10 May 2018, 1:03 pm)Jamie M The B5s spent every night going up hills near Bishop Auckland, for which there are a few, with ease. The B5s to the 1 was a strong move and seems to be a success so far, but I think it offers next to nothing to swap B9s. I think that very much is splitting hairs at this stage, with the example given. The statement I gave at the end may only apply in this scenario, rather than a general rule though, I agree.

Didn't really want to get in to a discussion about my hill being bigger than your hill or the size of things, but having recollected about the route near Bishop...
I reckon I am pretty sure the climb from Chowdene/Gold Medal up to Wrekenton is certainly both longer and steeper than anything they would have encountered near Bishop.

Mind apart from Chowdene and Rosehill Banks, the rest of the route the 1 takes is pretty undulating.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Jamie M

Unregistered

 
11 May 2018, 3:46 pm #1,107
(11 May 2018, 3:39 pm)Andreos1 Didn't really want to get in to a discussion about my hill being bigger than your hill or the size of things, but having recollected about the route near Bishop...
I reckon I am pretty sure the climb from Chowdene/Gold Medal up to Wrekenton is certainly both longer and steeper than anything they would have encountered near Bishop.

Mind apart from Chowdene and Rosehill Banks, the rest of the route the 1 takes is pretty undulating.

Neither did I, but did you not hear that Bishop Auckland is a euphemism for Mount Everest?
Anyway, we better stop before somebody tries to argue that Solos would be a better vehicle choice, as they operate up Swalwell bank on a daily basis...
Jamie M
11 May 2018, 3:46 pm #1,107

(11 May 2018, 3:39 pm)Andreos1 Didn't really want to get in to a discussion about my hill being bigger than your hill or the size of things, but having recollected about the route near Bishop...
I reckon I am pretty sure the climb from Chowdene/Gold Medal up to Wrekenton is certainly both longer and steeper than anything they would have encountered near Bishop.

Mind apart from Chowdene and Rosehill Banks, the rest of the route the 1 takes is pretty undulating.

Neither did I, but did you not hear that Bishop Auckland is a euphemism for Mount Everest?
Anyway, we better stop before somebody tries to argue that Solos would be a better vehicle choice, as they operate up Swalwell bank on a daily basis...

L469 YVK



3,549
11 May 2018, 5:20 pm #1,108
Well, just been and done my sums on the X21 (39KM) including all short runs between Bishop Auckland and Durham (11KM) as well as the X46 runs (16.9KM).

My BSOG total for the Monday to Friday journeys on the X21 have come in at  £109.66 vs the totals for the Cobalt Clipper which come in at £120.59.

Although that is only a saving of £10.93 per day as well as the StreetDecks needing to be out on the road longer to make more money on the 310 (as well as the odd 309 and X39 trips), the fuel savings on the 310 using StreetDecks instead of heavy duty Volvo B9TL's could potentially be very good given the nature of the route. And as well as that, the total cost of ownership on the StreetDecks would reduce greatly as a result of less wear and tear once they go out of warranty. Any fuel savings made using StreetDecks over B9TLs would be put back into improving both the 309 and 310 whether it be the extra few vans for the 309 changeovers at New York (including the fuel) or extra drivers, both of which would most likely be required if the 309 and 310 no longer interworked for most of the time. Extra journeys particularly during the evenings could also be added using the money saved from BSOG and fuel economy.

The X21 on the other hand would massively benefit from B9TLs and if there was more dealer stock available at the time, then they would've been the natural step from the old 'Pronto' B7s. Furthermore, the B9TLs would be far more comfortable at some of the given speeds and challenges on the X21 and the fuel economy would largely remain unchanged, even more so if they were limited to 50MPH.

Engine size is another matter. Arriva's 14/64 plate E400s have coped well so far on the X18/X21/X22 and some of the 57 plates which didn't get in the hands of Blyth or Redcar (although starting to show their age now), have done quite well too. If the 5.1L unit had more torque and horsepower (preferably coupled with a ZF gearbox), then they'd be great for the X21 but the bottom line is that they're not naturally suited for that route.

Yes, the Angel StreetDecks (as well as the B5LH's before Dec 2017) have been scheduled during the evenings (and Sundays for the B5LH's) but that is only partial work as well as taking into account that between Durham and Newcastle, they'd be calling at nearly every single stop (and not using the A1/A1M). If they were on the X21 day in day out from early morning until 6-7pm, that is another matter.
Edited 11 May 2018, 5:26 pm by L469 YVK.
L469 YVK
11 May 2018, 5:20 pm #1,108

Well, just been and done my sums on the X21 (39KM) including all short runs between Bishop Auckland and Durham (11KM) as well as the X46 runs (16.9KM).

My BSOG total for the Monday to Friday journeys on the X21 have come in at  £109.66 vs the totals for the Cobalt Clipper which come in at £120.59.

Although that is only a saving of £10.93 per day as well as the StreetDecks needing to be out on the road longer to make more money on the 310 (as well as the odd 309 and X39 trips), the fuel savings on the 310 using StreetDecks instead of heavy duty Volvo B9TL's could potentially be very good given the nature of the route. And as well as that, the total cost of ownership on the StreetDecks would reduce greatly as a result of less wear and tear once they go out of warranty. Any fuel savings made using StreetDecks over B9TLs would be put back into improving both the 309 and 310 whether it be the extra few vans for the 309 changeovers at New York (including the fuel) or extra drivers, both of which would most likely be required if the 309 and 310 no longer interworked for most of the time. Extra journeys particularly during the evenings could also be added using the money saved from BSOG and fuel economy.

The X21 on the other hand would massively benefit from B9TLs and if there was more dealer stock available at the time, then they would've been the natural step from the old 'Pronto' B7s. Furthermore, the B9TLs would be far more comfortable at some of the given speeds and challenges on the X21 and the fuel economy would largely remain unchanged, even more so if they were limited to 50MPH.

Engine size is another matter. Arriva's 14/64 plate E400s have coped well so far on the X18/X21/X22 and some of the 57 plates which didn't get in the hands of Blyth or Redcar (although starting to show their age now), have done quite well too. If the 5.1L unit had more torque and horsepower (preferably coupled with a ZF gearbox), then they'd be great for the X21 but the bottom line is that they're not naturally suited for that route.

Yes, the Angel StreetDecks (as well as the B5LH's before Dec 2017) have been scheduled during the evenings (and Sundays for the B5LH's) but that is only partial work as well as taking into account that between Durham and Newcastle, they'd be calling at nearly every single stop (and not using the A1/A1M). If they were on the X21 day in day out from early morning until 6-7pm, that is another matter.

JM03



505
12 May 2018, 4:54 pm #1,109
5 - After Jarrow does the 9 to L/Lane estate
9 - After Jarrow goes to North Shields then combines with 19 to N Park/Ashington with services split between Percy Main and Deptford. New streetlites to replace the solar eclipses (I think)(4978-4982) might be a good idea to go with this route.
JM03
12 May 2018, 4:54 pm #1,109

5 - After Jarrow does the 9 to L/Lane estate
9 - After Jarrow goes to North Shields then combines with 19 to N Park/Ashington with services split between Percy Main and Deptford. New streetlites to replace the solar eclipses (I think)(4978-4982) might be a good idea to go with this route.

Kuyoyo



6,853
18 May 2018, 12:41 pm #1,110
PB0003954/803 Registered (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Sunderland Docks, Barrack Street to Silksworth, Church View
Service number: 33 (33A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Jul 2018
Route and timetable amended for Tall Ships Event, special service 33T operating on 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th July 2018

PB0003954/789 Registered (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland to Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland via University of Sunderland
Service number: 700 (701)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 07 Jul 2018
Kuyoyo
18 May 2018, 12:41 pm #1,110

PB0003954/803 Registered (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Sunderland Docks, Barrack Street to Silksworth, Church View
Service number: 33 (33A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Jul 2018
Route and timetable amended for Tall Ships Event, special service 33T operating on 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th July 2018

PB0003954/789 Registered (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland to Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland via University of Sunderland
Service number: 700 (701)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 07 Jul 2018

Michael



19,165
18 May 2018, 6:21 pm #1,111
(18 May 2018, 12:41 pm)Kuyoyo PB0003954/803 Registered (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Sunderland Docks, Barrack Street to Silksworth, Church View
Service number: 33 (33A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Jul 2018
Route and timetable amended for Tall Ships Event, special service 33T operating on 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th July 2018

PB0003954/789 Registered (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland to Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland via University of Sunderland
Service number: 700 (701)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 07 Jul 2018


Think this might be the date the summer timetable comes in.
(18 May 2018, 12:41 pm)Kuyoyo PB0003954/803 Registered (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Sunderland Docks, Barrack Street to Silksworth, Church View
Service number: 33 (33A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Jul 2018
Route and timetable amended for Tall Ships Event, special service 33T operating on 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th July 2018

PB0003954/789 Registered (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland to Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland via University of Sunderland
Service number: 700 (701)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 07 Jul 2018

Wouldn't be surprised if this was every 10-12 minutes?, just due to the amount of ex London deckers coming up.
Edited 18 May 2018, 6:23 pm by Michael.
Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
18 May 2018, 6:21 pm #1,111

(18 May 2018, 12:41 pm)Kuyoyo PB0003954/803 Registered (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Sunderland Docks, Barrack Street to Silksworth, Church View
Service number: 33 (33A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Jul 2018
Route and timetable amended for Tall Ships Event, special service 33T operating on 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th July 2018

PB0003954/789 Registered (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland to Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland via University of Sunderland
Service number: 700 (701)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 07 Jul 2018


Think this might be the date the summer timetable comes in.
(18 May 2018, 12:41 pm)Kuyoyo PB0003954/803 Registered (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Sunderland Docks, Barrack Street to Silksworth, Church View
Service number: 33 (33A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Jul 2018
Route and timetable amended for Tall Ships Event, special service 33T operating on 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th July 2018

PB0003954/789 Registered (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland to Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland via University of Sunderland
Service number: 700 (701)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 07 Jul 2018

Wouldn't be surprised if this was every 10-12 minutes?, just due to the amount of ex London deckers coming up.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

L469 YVK



3,549
20 May 2018, 11:43 am #1,112
Well, I've also been and done some figures on the MPG based on the following.

Cobalt Clipper MPG on service 310 (plus X39 / occasional 309 workings):
Volvo B9TL: 6.5 MPG
Wright StreetDeck: 8 MPG

Castles Express MPG (plus X46 workings)
Volvo B9TL: 7.5MPG
Wright StreetDeck: 9 MPG

In terms of the above, the actual costings would work out as below.

Volvo B9TLs on Cobalt Clipper & Wright StreetDecks on Castles Express (Monday to Friday)
Volvo B9TL @ 1249 Miles = £1164.02
Wright StreetDeck @ 1135.62 Miles + BSOG = £595.90

Wright StreetDecks on Cobalt Clipper & Volvo B9TLs on Castles Express (Monday to Friday)
Wright StreetDeck @ 1249 Miles + BSOG = £752.39
Volvo B9TL @ 1135.62 Miles = £793.74

The total saving for one days work (Monday to Friday timetable) including BSOG would come in at £213.79. Multiply that by five and that would come in at £1068.95. And if the Saturday and Sunday journeys were also taken into account, the savings would probably be even more. That alone would most likely cover the wages of the extra few drivers that would be needed if the 309 / 310 were to run standalone most of the time plus other costs. Would be a win win situation with passengers on the Castles Express benefiting from better reliability and passengers on the Cobalt Clipper also benefiting from improved reliability as well as extra journeys during the evenings too.
L469 YVK
20 May 2018, 11:43 am #1,112

Well, I've also been and done some figures on the MPG based on the following.

Cobalt Clipper MPG on service 310 (plus X39 / occasional 309 workings):
Volvo B9TL: 6.5 MPG
Wright StreetDeck: 8 MPG

Castles Express MPG (plus X46 workings)
Volvo B9TL: 7.5MPG
Wright StreetDeck: 9 MPG

In terms of the above, the actual costings would work out as below.

Volvo B9TLs on Cobalt Clipper & Wright StreetDecks on Castles Express (Monday to Friday)
Volvo B9TL @ 1249 Miles = £1164.02
Wright StreetDeck @ 1135.62 Miles + BSOG = £595.90

Wright StreetDecks on Cobalt Clipper & Volvo B9TLs on Castles Express (Monday to Friday)
Wright StreetDeck @ 1249 Miles + BSOG = £752.39
Volvo B9TL @ 1135.62 Miles = £793.74

The total saving for one days work (Monday to Friday timetable) including BSOG would come in at £213.79. Multiply that by five and that would come in at £1068.95. And if the Saturday and Sunday journeys were also taken into account, the savings would probably be even more. That alone would most likely cover the wages of the extra few drivers that would be needed if the 309 / 310 were to run standalone most of the time plus other costs. Would be a win win situation with passengers on the Castles Express benefiting from better reliability and passengers on the Cobalt Clipper also benefiting from improved reliability as well as extra journeys during the evenings too.

GuyParkRoyal



1,005
24 May 2018, 2:54 pm #1,113
PB0003954/528 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: TEAM VALLEY, SOUTH BUS STATION to WINLATON BUS STATION
Service number: 90
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PB0003954/908 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Team Valley to Winlation via Rowlands Gill
Service number: 933
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PB0003954/907 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Washington Galleries to Barley Mow
Service number: 23
Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018
GuyParkRoyal
24 May 2018, 2:54 pm #1,113

PB0003954/528 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: TEAM VALLEY, SOUTH BUS STATION to WINLATON BUS STATION
Service number: 90
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PB0003954/908 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Team Valley to Winlation via Rowlands Gill
Service number: 933
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PB0003954/907 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Washington Galleries to Barley Mow
Service number: 23
Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

S830OFT



1,395
24 May 2018, 2:58 pm #1,114
(24 May 2018, 2:54 pm)GuyParkRoyal PB0003954/528 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: TEAM VALLEY, SOUTH BUS STATION to WINLATON BUS STATION
Service number: 90
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PB0003954/908 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Team Valley to Winlation via Rowlands Gill
Service number: 933
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PB0003954/907 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Washington Galleries to Barley Mow
Service number: 23
Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

I imagine this will either be operated by Washington or Riverside.


S830OFT
24 May 2018, 2:58 pm #1,114

(24 May 2018, 2:54 pm)GuyParkRoyal PB0003954/528 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: TEAM VALLEY, SOUTH BUS STATION to WINLATON BUS STATION
Service number: 90
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PB0003954/908 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Team Valley to Winlation via Rowlands Gill
Service number: 933
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PB0003954/907 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Washington Galleries to Barley Mow
Service number: 23
Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

I imagine this will either be operated by Washington or Riverside.


Jamie M

Unregistered

 
24 May 2018, 3:06 pm #1,115
(24 May 2018, 2:58 pm)S830OFT I imagine this will either be operated by Washington or Riverside.
The 933 has been a sitting duck for years. Emmanuel College kids often skip an X70 to get on it Mon-Thursday (I can confirm this from my EC days) due to it being cheaper (they charge like 60-90p full route depending on how the driver is feeling on the day).

I wonder how they will counter the problem though, since the 933 often follows the route of an X70 from Sunniside, terminating at Tantobie rather than doing what it's meant to and turning right down to Rowlands, since nobody ever uses this connection and there's no pickup from Burnopfield Post Office to Rowlands.
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Jamie M
24 May 2018, 3:06 pm #1,115

(24 May 2018, 2:58 pm)S830OFT I imagine this will either be operated by Washington or Riverside.
The 933 has been a sitting duck for years. Emmanuel College kids often skip an X70 to get on it Mon-Thursday (I can confirm this from my EC days) due to it being cheaper (they charge like 60-90p full route depending on how the driver is feeling on the day).

I wonder how they will counter the problem though, since the 933 often follows the route of an X70 from Sunniside, terminating at Tantobie rather than doing what it's meant to and turning right down to Rowlands, since nobody ever uses this connection and there's no pickup from Burnopfield Post Office to Rowlands.
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S813 FVK



6,030
24 May 2018, 3:12 pm #1,116
(24 May 2018, 3:06 pm)Jamie M The 933 has been a sitting duck for years. Emmanuel College kids often skip an X70 to get on it Mon-Thursday (I can confirm this from my EC days) due to it being cheaper (they charge like 60-90p full route depending on how the driver is feeling on the day).

I wonder how they will counter the problem though, since the 933 often follows the route of an X70 from Sunniside, terminating at Tantobie rather than doing what it's meant to and turning right down to Rowlands, since nobody ever uses this connection and there's no pickup from Burnopfield Post Office to Rowlands.
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I imagine they were talking about the 23 - just hadn't highlighted that part of the quoted post
S813 FVK
24 May 2018, 3:12 pm #1,116

(24 May 2018, 3:06 pm)Jamie M The 933 has been a sitting duck for years. Emmanuel College kids often skip an X70 to get on it Mon-Thursday (I can confirm this from my EC days) due to it being cheaper (they charge like 60-90p full route depending on how the driver is feeling on the day).

I wonder how they will counter the problem though, since the 933 often follows the route of an X70 from Sunniside, terminating at Tantobie rather than doing what it's meant to and turning right down to Rowlands, since nobody ever uses this connection and there's no pickup from Burnopfield Post Office to Rowlands.
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I imagine they were talking about the 23 - just hadn't highlighted that part of the quoted post

Jamie M

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24 May 2018, 3:16 pm #1,117
(24 May 2018, 3:12 pm)S813 FVK I imagine they were talking about the 23 - just hadn't highlighted that part of the quoted post
Sorry if my post was confusing, I'm talking about the concern that most the scholars travel along a non-existent portion of the 933, and the bus therefore doesn't go to Rowlands Gill at all, since no passengers want to.

If GNE were to operate, they'd be expected to stick to the route, therefore cutting off extra profit from it for the people travelling on it to (albeit incorrectly) Burnopfield Co-op/Pickering Nook, rather than going down Busty Bank at Post-office.
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Jamie M
24 May 2018, 3:16 pm #1,117

(24 May 2018, 3:12 pm)S813 FVK I imagine they were talking about the 23 - just hadn't highlighted that part of the quoted post
Sorry if my post was confusing, I'm talking about the concern that most the scholars travel along a non-existent portion of the 933, and the bus therefore doesn't go to Rowlands Gill at all, since no passengers want to.

If GNE were to operate, they'd be expected to stick to the route, therefore cutting off extra profit from it for the people travelling on it to (albeit incorrectly) Burnopfield Co-op/Pickering Nook, rather than going down Busty Bank at Post-office.
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westy3738



64
24 May 2018, 3:21 pm #1,118
(24 May 2018, 3:16 pm)Jamie M Sorry if my post was confusing, I'm talking about the concern that most the scholars travel along a non-existent portion of the 933, and the bus therefore doesn't go to Rowlands Gill at all, since no passengers want to.

If GNE were to operate, they'd be expected to stick to the route, therefore cutting off extra profit from it for the people travelling on it to (albeit incorrectly) Burnopfield Co-op/Pickering Nook, rather than going down Busty Bank at Post-office.
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They're used to picking up the pieces after picking up work from operators who go off route to suit getting back to their depot on earlier.
Edited 24 May 2018, 3:22 pm by westy3738.
westy3738
24 May 2018, 3:21 pm #1,118

(24 May 2018, 3:16 pm)Jamie M Sorry if my post was confusing, I'm talking about the concern that most the scholars travel along a non-existent portion of the 933, and the bus therefore doesn't go to Rowlands Gill at all, since no passengers want to.

If GNE were to operate, they'd be expected to stick to the route, therefore cutting off extra profit from it for the people travelling on it to (albeit incorrectly) Burnopfield Co-op/Pickering Nook, rather than going down Busty Bank at Post-office.
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24 May 2018, 3:27 pm #1,119
(24 May 2018, 3:16 pm)Jamie M Sorry if my post was confusing, I'm talking about the concern that most the scholars travel along a non-existent portion of the 933, and the bus therefore doesn't go to Rowlands Gill at all, since no passengers want to.

If GNE were to operate, they'd be expected to stick to the route, therefore cutting off extra profit from it for the people travelling on it to (albeit incorrectly) Burnopfield Co-op/Pickering Nook, rather than going down Busty Bank at Post-office.
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They are getting the 17:08 departure from GCT not the Scholars journey by Stanley Travel.


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24 May 2018, 3:27 pm #1,119

(24 May 2018, 3:16 pm)Jamie M Sorry if my post was confusing, I'm talking about the concern that most the scholars travel along a non-existent portion of the 933, and the bus therefore doesn't go to Rowlands Gill at all, since no passengers want to.

If GNE were to operate, they'd be expected to stick to the route, therefore cutting off extra profit from it for the people travelling on it to (albeit incorrectly) Burnopfield Co-op/Pickering Nook, rather than going down Busty Bank at Post-office.
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They are getting the 17:08 departure from GCT not the Scholars journey by Stanley Travel.


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24 May 2018, 3:31 pm #1,120
(24 May 2018, 3:21 pm)westy3738 They're used to picking up the pieces after picking up work from operators who go off route to suit getting back to their depot on earlier.
Aye. If the X70 could be knocked back 10 minutes later, it would make for a good solution (it arrives at 1557 from the Lobley hill stop currently I believe). Could also knock X70 back 5 minutes and make it run via EC turning circle. Either that, or just operating to Pickering Nook on 933, then turning left onto hobson, turn around at Crookgate and then proceeding to Rowlands Gill. Although a lot longer, it would probably be the best from my eyes.

Some ideas from me anyway.

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(24 May 2018, 3:27 pm)S830OFT They are getting the 17:08 departure from GCT not the Scholars journey by Stanley Travel.
This wouldn't be too bad then, but is there any confirmation?

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24 May 2018, 3:31 pm #1,120

(24 May 2018, 3:21 pm)westy3738 They're used to picking up the pieces after picking up work from operators who go off route to suit getting back to their depot on earlier.
Aye. If the X70 could be knocked back 10 minutes later, it would make for a good solution (it arrives at 1557 from the Lobley hill stop currently I believe). Could also knock X70 back 5 minutes and make it run via EC turning circle. Either that, or just operating to Pickering Nook on 933, then turning left onto hobson, turn around at Crookgate and then proceeding to Rowlands Gill. Although a lot longer, it would probably be the best from my eyes.

Some ideas from me anyway.

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(24 May 2018, 3:27 pm)S830OFT They are getting the 17:08 departure from GCT not the Scholars journey by Stanley Travel.
This wouldn't be too bad then, but is there any confirmation?

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