Go North East: Service Suggestions v2

[OrangeArrow49]

Yes, very yes!

Having said that, 90% of the time I took the public bus to school because other students at my school were, how do I put this kindly, scum.

Seriously though, the whole point of a scholars service is to get students to school, not to add extra capacity to an operators commercial operation.
If the public bus is full, then the operator should sort that out rather than filling up a scholars bus, taking up seats that schools/LAs have already paid for.

Very funny! 

I'm sure the other students at your school weren't that bad... (Surely not as bad as you anyway! Joke )

Fair point. But I do seriously think if schools/LAs have paid for a scholars bus, the students really should be on there and not on the public bus.

Could you make a few nice livery concepts up for me streetdeckfan? You are talented at them.

[streetdeckfan]

Very funny! 

I'm sure the other students at your school weren't that bad... (Surely not as bad as you anyway! Joke )

Fair point. But I do seriously think if schools/LAs have paid for a scholars bus, the students really should be on there and not on the public bus.

Could you make a few nice livery concepts up for me streetdeckfan? You are talented at them.

Oh trust me, they were awful. I was so glad to have moved away!

Send me a PM with some more info and I'll see what I can do

[V514DFT]

You honestly contribute nothing in any of your posts. 42A this, 42A that. Nobody cares. The 42A goes to Killingworth, the 42A is operated with Solos, the 42A doesn't run for school finishing, the 42A is small, the 42A is one bus an hour, the 42A is blue, the 42A makes your brother late for school, the 42A has 4 wheels, yeah we know!

Everyone knows the Solo-operated 42A goes from Kingston Park to Wallsend, is your only Go North East bus, runs once an hour and is blue with 4 wheels. Lucky for you Arriva is an option, Four Lane Ends has all of the operators and isn't that far. Go North East is practically all I use, which is great fun ON Sundays when the 42A starts after 10am!

But what about the 42A  , im joking

[OrangeArrow49]

But what about the 42A  , im joking

Hilarious! I love the 42A. The journey is quite pleasant and scenic, I like the cute Solo, and it's a relatively local Go North East bus for me (a loyal Go North East customer, practically only using their buses) and would like to see it do something to survive, as currently it's not that popular. Although the route is quite interesting, rural and city and very mixed, the service isn't that interesting that it needs mentioning in response to everything. Just a little rant from me! For me, the only thing about the 42A is only Brunton Lane separates it from the Q3 but it's a very long road, so if the 42A could be linked with the Q3 somehow it would provide a choice and connections to other places, and both serving Wallsend doesn't seem 100% useful.

[ASX_Terranova]

In order to try a solve the delays on The X1 & 21 I've come up with a couple of ideas

X1: Same Route and Frequency
21: Same Route and Frequency

New Service X2: Newcastle - Bensham - Saltwell Park - Low Fell - Harlow Green - Washington Galleries - Chester-Le-Street - Plawsworth - Framwellgate Moor - Durham (Every 15 Mins to CLS, 30 Mins to Durham) 
Would maybe save the need for the short X21's and would able the 21 to maybe even out a bit as well.

[transportintyneandwear]

New Service X2: Newcastle - Bensham - Saltwell Park - Low Fell - Harlow Green - Washington Galleries - Chester-Le-Street - Plawsworth - Framwellgate Moor - Durham (Every 15 Mins to CLS, 30 Mins to Durham) 
Would maybe save the need for the short X21's and would able the 21 to maybe even out a bit as well.

The only thing about this is, is that it's not really an express route. Bensham, Saltwell Park, and Wrekenton are awkward parts. And also theres getting from Washington to Chester.

[ASX_Terranova]

I've come up with a 59 service from Newcastle to Bill Quay via Carr Hill (Broadway), Q.E Hospital, Felling Square, Felling Metro, Friars Goose, Heworth, Pelaw (Gosforth Terrace) & Bill Quay. 

My only issue is getting the service from felling metro to friars goose without doubling back, as the bridges on Carlisle Street and Stoneygate Lane have 7.5T weight limits.

Does anyone have any ideas on any workarounds?

[cbma06]

So if the b5’s moving to the 16/16a, if there are 5 spares , would the spares cover the 20 if the 20 merged into the 16/16A on a 15 minute frequency between Sunderland and Stanley/consett, with the 60 covering the Sunderland to shields?

Or the extra b5’s when upgraded to euro6 to go on service 25?


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[Michael]

So if the b5’s moving to the 16/16a, if there are 5 spares , would the spares cover the 20 if the 20 merged into the 16/16A on a 15 minute frequency between Sunderland and Stanley/consett, with the 60 covering the Sunderland to shields?

Or the extra b5’s when upgraded to euro6 to go on service 25?


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PVR for Sunderland to Consett via Durham and Stanley would be 14 (if the full route was every 15 minutes)


PVR for the 60 would be 12 on a 12 minute frequency for the full route.


The B5's can't be upgraded to Euro 6 unless they change the engine

[Kuyoyo]

So if the b5’s moving to the 16/16a, if there are 5 spares , would the spares cover the 20 if the 20 merged into the 16/16A on a 15 minute frequency between Sunderland and Stanley/consett, with the 60 covering the Sunderland to shields?

Or the extra b5’s when upgraded to euro6 to go on service 25?


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Good luck with extending the 16/16a to Sunderland - that would add 2 hours to each journey and likely make it impossible to work it so all driver reliefs take place at Consett (as currently a full 16/16A cycle is 4 hours 30 minutes). Likewise, they is only 15 B5LHs - Consett will need 10 for the 16/16A (9 branded plus one spare) which leaves 5 - not enough for the 25 (PVR 6).

[V514DFT]

Ive been thinking,what about extending the 49 to Heworth

[LVK 404L]

Ive been thinking,what about extending the 49 to Heworth

Used to go to Heworth and Wardley when it was the old 648/649

[V514DFT]

Used to go to Heworth and Wardley when it was the old 648/649

Wonder if GNE would think about giving it another try

[Malarkey]

Good luck with extending the 16/16a to Sunderland - that would add 2 hours to each journey and likely make it impossible to work it so all driver reliefs take place at Consett (as currently a full 16/16A cycle is 4 hours 30 minutes). Likewise, they is only 15 B5LHs - Consett will need 10 for the 16/16A (9 branded plus one spare) which leaves 5 - not enough for the 25 (PVR 6).

From my calculations it's about 10 minutes longer end to end in comparison to that of the 78 which is also ran by Consett without any issues.

You could always split the allocation between both Deptford and Consett as similarly done with the Coast & Country between Chester-Le-Street/Consett.

Also there is the benefit of having a Cross-City-Service with the need to change buses in Durham which would potentially reduce journey times from A to B while creating direct links.

Would also give both the 16's/20's a much needed upgrade to Double Deck Operation with the Streetlites replacing older vehicles within the fleet further reducing fleet age.

[Jimmi]

Good luck with extending the 16/16a to Sunderland - that would add 2 hours to each journey and likely make it impossible to work it so all driver reliefs take place at Consett (as currently a full 16/16A cycle is 4 hours 30 minutes). Likewise, they is only 15 B5LHs - Consett will need 10 for the 16/16A (9 branded plus one spare) which leaves 5 - not enough for the 25 (PVR 6).

I think CLS is possible for the remaining B5LHs although think it will just be for mixed use like scholars, 25 & X22 (alongside Versas as now with older deckers) and backups for 21 & X21.

[Michael]

I think CLS is possible for the remaining B5LHs although think it will just be for mixed use like scholars, 25 & X22 (alongside Versas as now with older deckers) and backups for 21 & X21.

The 25 will need to be Euro 6 as it enters Newcastle., the B5's are only euro 5.

[ASX_Terranova]

Given the success of X11, what about service to the lakes. i.e My X87. The document also includes merging the X122 and 185 then extending to Brampton and extending the 681 from Alston to Nenthead

[Storx]

Given the success of X11, what about service to the lakes. i.e My X87. The document also includes merging the X122 and 185 then extending to Brampton and extending the 681 from Alston to Nenthead

The problem with your X87 is there's no-where for the bus to go all day. It's easy in Scarborough because GoAhead have a depot down there. Across in Cumbria it's Stagecoach so unless you find some independant with the space (and it won't come free) then it's a bit of problem.

Also there's already a service I believe with Wright Brothers, the 888 I believe the number is.

[ASX_Terranova]

The problem with your X87 is there's no-where for the bus to go all day. It's easy in Scarborough because GoAhead have a depot down there. Across in Cumbria it's Stagecoach so unless you find some independant with the space (and it won't come free) then it's a bit of problem.

This is my X87/487 idea. I also would run x81 all day every 1.5 hrs as well to allow the x87/487 drivers to get back the hexham without going over their hours. You could even interwork the x81 & 487.

[BoroLad]

This is my X87/487 idea. I also would run x81 all day every 1.5 hrs as well to allow the x87/487 drivers to get back the hexham without going over their hours. You could even interwork the x81 & 487.

The timings are a bit tight but could you extend the 487 and X87 from Penrith bus station to the railway station? The very rural nature of the 487 means it'll probably never be that busy, but extending to the railway station creates a useful connection for people travelling between Alston and the towns and cities along the West Coast Main Line.

One other issue is that Penrith isn't a particularly obvious attraction; it's just a fairly standard market town. Day trippers are more likely to want to visit places like Keswick or Windermere. Will they want to pay an extra Stagecoach fare (which are very expensive in the Lakes) to travel there? You could attempt to extend the service to somewhere more touristy, but then you'll have issues with drivers' hours and your 487, so it'd probably be more trouble than it's worth.