Go North East: Service Suggestions v2

[big mac]

With the general trend of cutting the amount of services that cross the River Tyne, how come the 1 will still continue to Gateshead rather than terminating at Newcastle? I thought this would have happened given there never seems to be many on that service between Newcastle and Gateshead anyway.

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[Andreos1]

I think it’s because the 65 will have a new brand and not linked to Peterlee purples, saying that the 208 is being changed to the 62/62A but kept in (Peterlee purples?), I would of thought with the new rebrand of the 8/78 that there would change the 78 into 7.


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Exactly this. Given the changes to one service and the renumbering from 265, to the 65, I'm not sure how the 78 being renumbered to the 7 - is 'change for changes sake'.

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With the general trend of cutting the amount of services that cross the River Tyne, how come the 1 will still continue to Gateshead rather than terminating at Newcastle?  I thought this would have happened given there never seems to be many on that service between Newcastle and Gateshead anyway.

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I would have to check in to the timetables, but I'm pretty sure having it cross the river is better from an ops perspective.
No additions to the PVR and it saves being parked up in the town for 20mins or so.
A bus that's moving has the potential to make more money than a bus standing still.

[ASX_Terranova]

[b][u]33 & New 33A[/b][/u]
Overall Frequency Increase to Every 15 Mins
33: Same route as 5th Sep
33A: Same as 33 to Silksworth, then via Doxford Park, Moorside, Doxford International & East Herrington, Herrington Burn & Shiney Row to Washington Galleries replacing Nexus 37 (except Biddick Woods).

I could also see another service (other than X1) operating between Newcastle & Washington either via Metrocentre or Saltwell Park/Low Fell Corridor, could also be used instead of X21 shorts if they ever come back.

[Drifter60]

You probably realise someone is going to jump in here and question some of the changes made over recent years.
So I'll jump in early. 

At what point does a change of number (265 - > 65 = increased frequency, but same route vs 78 - > 7 = same frequency, but route amendment) become change, for the sake of change?

I’ve long wondered why they didn’t renumber the 78 to the 7, considering it’s branded with the 8 and then the two routes are numbered together. Surely must have been considered at some point. 
I do understand not changing for changing sakes but in a way it’s probably easier to change numbers of a services when there isn’t major changes. 78 could have quite easily become the 7 years ago.

[V514DFT]

I’ve long wondered why they didn’t renumber the 78 to the 7, considering it’s branded with the 8 and then the two routes are numbered together. Surely must have been considered at some point. 
I do understand not changing for changing sakes but in a way it’s probably easier to change numbers of a services when there isn’t major changes. 78 could have quite easily become the 7 years ago.

Or going the other way,number the 8 to 77

[Storx]

I’ve long wondered why they didn’t renumber the 78 to the 7, considering it’s branded with the 8 and then the two routes are numbered together. Surely must have been considered at some point. 
I do understand not changing for changing sakes but in a way it’s probably easier to change numbers of a services when there isn’t major changes. 78 could have quite easily become the 7 years ago.

See personally I'd do the following changes:

2 -> 70
39/39A -> 71/71A
71 -> 66
X6 -> X60
78 -> 7

Then you'd have some tidy corridors.

60's / 70's - Grangetown
7 / 70 - Chester Road to Washington
7 / 8 - Sunderland to Chester Le Street
7 / 70's - Chester Road
70's - Grangetown to Chester Road
70 / 71 / 71A - Tunstall / West Ryhope
X60 - Express 60 to Seaham
65 / 66 - Similar routes around parts of Seaham and both Houghton area to Seaham.

The 2, 39/39A, 60, 61, 62 isn't so easy to explain to someone imo going to Grangemouth for example or 2, 39/39A or 78 for Chester Road. Maybe confusing at first but it's easier for new customers and the old customers will easily get it soon enough as it all flows.

[V514DFT]

See personally I'd do the following changes:

2 -> 70
39/39A -> 71/71A
71 -> 66
X6 -> X60
78 -> 7

Then you'd have some tidy corridors.

60's / 70's - Grangetown
7 / 70 - Chester Road to Washington
7 / 8 - Sunderland to Chester Le Street
7 / 70's - Chester Road
70's - Grangetown to Chester Road
70 / 71 / 71A - Tunstall / West Ryhope
X60 - Express 60 to Seaham
65 / 66 - Similar routes around parts of Seaham and both Houghton area to Seaham.

The 2, 39/39A, 60, 61, 62 isn't so easy to explain to someone imo going to Grangemouth for example or 2, 39/39A or 78 for Chester Road. Maybe confusing at first but it's easier for new customers and the old customers will easily get it soon enough as it all flows.

I do feel like the bus numbers should be grouped together sensibly

[Andreos1]

I do feel like the bus numbers should be grouped together sensibly

I think the 2006 changes allowed for that, but didn't seem to take in to account any future changes or revisions - meaning they ended up all over the shop and grouping seemed to go out of the window.

[cbma06]

I do feel like the bus numbers should be grouped together sensibly

Bring back the pte numbering system [emoji3525]


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[Storx]

Now it appears GNE have the 19 evening buses in Nexus land.

Extend the 19 runs at 19:28, 20:28, 21:28 runs to Shankhouse and return them for the 3 runs back towards Northumberland Park (instead of running empty back to Silverlink). There's no PVR increase and it uses up the 13 minutes wasted at Northumberland Park and the bizarre duplication. Can't see why Nexus or Northumberland Council would moan it offers an improved service with no changes at all and there's no loss to anyone even if they run around dead, it's all subsidised anyway so might aswell get best value and the driver is already there for GNE.

I know they're the routes on the other half an hour which would make sense as it would give a 30 minute Cramlington to Seaton Delaval, Metro to Seaton Delaval service rather than the 57A and 19 running identical times as now.

[L469 YVK]

If the X72 struggles to maintain reliability serving Cragside Gardens, could a 97A not be introduced to replace that section of route?

[Dan]

If the X72 struggles to maintain reliability serving Cragside Gardens, could a 97A not be introduced to replace that section of route?

Why would it struggle to maintain reliability?


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[ASX_Terranova]

Does anyone remember if the 161 or 164 were heavally used between seaburn & sunderland. If they were then maybe extend a service to seaburn like the 33 or 38.

[L469 YVK]

Why would it struggle to maintain reliability?


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Not saying it will, but it just fits the profile to be a troublesome route for timekeeping. Only 4 mins layover in Stanley + obviously having to make 2x right turns in Lobley Hill ex Stanley towards Newcastle.

I might be wrong though.

[Andreos1]

Does anyone remember if the 161 or 164 were heavally used between seaburn & sunderland. If they were then maybe extend a service to seaburn like the 33 or 38.

I only ever used the 164 on that section, during the summer months.
Always popular (and useful), even if it was a bit of an operating anomoly.
Can't comment on the 161 on that portion though.

I reckon extending the 33 or 38 would require an extra vehicle to the PVR (with associated costs). Commercially, I don't know if it would be worth it.

[deanmachine]

I only ever used the 164 on that section, during the summer months.
Always popular (and useful), even if it was a bit of an operating anomoly.
Can't comment on the 161 on that portion though.

I reckon extending the 33 or 38 would require an extra vehicle to the PVR (with associated costs). Commercially, I don't know if it would be worth it.

I think it would only be success if ran out of Park Lane, plenty of people asking for buses to the sea side when we drop them off then. Bit of a pain having to direct them a 10 minute walk to Fawcett Street to get the Economics.

[Keeiajs]

I think it would only be success if ran out of Park Lane, plenty of people asking for buses to the sea side when we drop them off then. Bit of a pain having to direct them a 10 minute walk to Fawcett Street to get the Economics.

Idk how people feel about this, but I wish 33/2/2A/39/39A/33A all went to Park Lane for most if not all. it is much easier to transfer buses. But I think if it would be any buses chances it would probs be the 60 with the seaside theme etc.

[Keeiajs]

49/a/c & 12/A / 50 should be branded. 

50 - Use the some of the 15' Plate Streetlites
12/A Use Some Streetlites
49 Just brand the 66' plates that had the boring name of the "THE 49" to a better name.

[Storx]

Does anyone remember if the 161 or 164 were heavally used between seaburn & sunderland. If they were then maybe extend a service to seaburn like the 33 or 38.

In fairness the Coast is Stagecoach territory and Stagecoach don't usually react too well when buses end up going along their corridor. I know there's the new partnerships coming in to stop stuff like that but going against the E's is dodgy territory when it's their strongest route from South Shields.

It's more of a problem of Stagecoach refusing to pay the fees to serve Park Lane more than anything imo.

[Keeiajs]

In fairness the Coast is Stagecoach territory and Stagecoach don't usually react too well when buses end up going along their corridor. I know there's the new partnerships coming in to stop stuff like that but going against the E's is dodgy territory when it's their strongest route from South Shields.

It's more of a problem of Stagecoach refusing to pay the fees to serve Park Lane more than anything imo.

I must say I do wish some SC services came to Park lane, I also wish the GNE services which don't (2/A - 39/A - 33/A and more) which don't go to Park lane do as it provides a lot more connections. Tbh I would put me off getting the 2 from Washington to Sunderland as it doesn't go into Park Lane or the other way, same for 39.