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Andreos1



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07 Nov 2017, 1:06 pm #1,141
https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/45616/...standstill

Strikes to hit bus and rail

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
07 Nov 2017, 1:06 pm #1,141

https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/45616/...standstill

Strikes to hit bus and rail


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Adrian



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07 Nov 2017, 7:54 pm #1,142
(07 Nov 2017, 1:06 pm)Andreos1 https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/45616/...standstill

Strikes to hit bus and rail

Both also covered on page 11 here - http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/pdf/issue/969/969.pdf

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Adrian
07 Nov 2017, 7:54 pm #1,142

(07 Nov 2017, 1:06 pm)Andreos1 https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/45616/...standstill

Strikes to hit bus and rail

Both also covered on page 11 here - http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/pdf/issue/969/969.pdf


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Andreos1



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08 Nov 2017, 9:18 am #1,143
https://twitter.com/LauraPidcockMP/statu...3315174404

A few operators brought in to the debate, but one in particular singled out by Gateshead MP Ian Mearns.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
08 Nov 2017, 9:18 am #1,143

https://twitter.com/LauraPidcockMP/statu...3315174404

A few operators brought in to the debate, but one in particular singled out by Gateshead MP Ian Mearns.


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LeeCalder



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09 Nov 2017, 6:16 pm #1,144
(08 Nov 2017, 9:18 am)Andreos1 https://twitter.com/LauraPidcockMP/statu...3315174404

A few operators brought in to the debate, but one in particular singled out by Gateshead MP Ian Mearns.

Here, Here!
LeeCalder
09 Nov 2017, 6:16 pm #1,144

(08 Nov 2017, 9:18 am)Andreos1 https://twitter.com/LauraPidcockMP/statu...3315174404

A few operators brought in to the debate, but one in particular singled out by Gateshead MP Ian Mearns.

Here, Here!

Andreos1



14,155
15 Jan 2018, 4:17 pm #1,145
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Andreos1
15 Jan 2018, 4:17 pm #1,145

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Adrian



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15 Jan 2018, 7:53 pm #1,146
(15 Jan 2018, 4:17 pm)Andreos1 Will just leave this here.

Angry

£2bn worth of contracts awarded, even after it became clear the company was in dire-straits.  https://www.theguardian.com/business/201...-contracts

The irony would be funny if it wasn't so terribly sad... a Government that has plenty of money to offload on to multi-national corporations, which choose looking after their bonus scheme before fulfilling their contractual obligations. Yet not enough money to reverse Government policy, which people are dying as a result of.

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Adrian
15 Jan 2018, 7:53 pm #1,146

(15 Jan 2018, 4:17 pm)Andreos1 Will just leave this here.

Angry

£2bn worth of contracts awarded, even after it became clear the company was in dire-straits.  https://www.theguardian.com/business/201...-contracts

The irony would be funny if it wasn't so terribly sad... a Government that has plenty of money to offload on to multi-national corporations, which choose looking after their bonus scheme before fulfilling their contractual obligations. Yet not enough money to reverse Government policy, which people are dying as a result of.


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Andreos1



14,155
15 Jan 2018, 9:34 pm #1,147
(15 Jan 2018, 7:53 pm)Adrian Angry

£2bn worth of contracts awarded, even after it became clear the company was in dire-straits.  https://www.theguardian.com/business/201...-contracts

The irony would be funny if it wasn't so terribly sad... a Government that has plenty of money to offload on to multi-national corporations, which choose looking after their bonus scheme before fulfilling their contractual obligations. Yet not enough money to reverse Government policy, which people are dying as a result of.

An absolute shambles.

Some of the quotes from the Government last year are amazing, particularly when you look at todays news.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017...ctors-hs2/

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Andreos1
15 Jan 2018, 9:34 pm #1,147

(15 Jan 2018, 7:53 pm)Adrian Angry

£2bn worth of contracts awarded, even after it became clear the company was in dire-straits.  https://www.theguardian.com/business/201...-contracts

The irony would be funny if it wasn't so terribly sad... a Government that has plenty of money to offload on to multi-national corporations, which choose looking after their bonus scheme before fulfilling their contractual obligations. Yet not enough money to reverse Government policy, which people are dying as a result of.

An absolute shambles.

Some of the quotes from the Government last year are amazing, particularly when you look at todays news.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017...ctors-hs2/


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BusLoverMum



5,276
15 Jan 2018, 11:37 pm #1,148
(15 Jan 2018, 4:17 pm)Andreos1 Will just leave this here.

Aye, cos these private companies are so much more efficient than the public sector.

Husband used to work for Serco. They couldn't find their corporate arse with both hands. They sold off his bit when they realised the had it.
BusLoverMum
15 Jan 2018, 11:37 pm #1,148

(15 Jan 2018, 4:17 pm)Andreos1 Will just leave this here.

Aye, cos these private companies are so much more efficient than the public sector.

Husband used to work for Serco. They couldn't find their corporate arse with both hands. They sold off his bit when they realised the had it.

Andreos1



14,155
16 Jan 2018, 11:26 am #1,149
(15 Jan 2018, 11:37 pm)BusLoverMum Aye, cos these private companies are so much more efficient than the public sector.

Husband used to work for Serco. They couldn't find their corporate arse with both hands. They sold off his bit when they realised the had it.

I dont think any organisation is perfect (public or private), but this whole Carillion thing is a huge mess. The implications for thousands of ordinary folk who happen to be employed (even for subcontracting organisations), is the stuff of nightmares.

Heads should roll.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
16 Jan 2018, 11:26 am #1,149

(15 Jan 2018, 11:37 pm)BusLoverMum Aye, cos these private companies are so much more efficient than the public sector.

Husband used to work for Serco. They couldn't find their corporate arse with both hands. They sold off his bit when they realised the had it.

I dont think any organisation is perfect (public or private), but this whole Carillion thing is a huge mess. The implications for thousands of ordinary folk who happen to be employed (even for subcontracting organisations), is the stuff of nightmares.

Heads should roll.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Adrian



9,566
11 Apr 2018, 10:27 pm #1,150
Suppose this is as good a thread as any.

Labour announces plan for under 25s to have free bus travel
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/l...d-12345014

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Adrian
11 Apr 2018, 10:27 pm #1,150

Suppose this is as good a thread as any.

Labour announces plan for under 25s to have free bus travel
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/l...d-12345014


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idiot



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12 Apr 2018, 9:42 am #1,151
(11 Apr 2018, 10:27 pm)Adrian Suppose this is as good a thread as any.

Labour announces plan for under 25s to have free bus travel
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/l...d-12345014

Magic money tree again.
idiot
12 Apr 2018, 9:42 am #1,151

(11 Apr 2018, 10:27 pm)Adrian Suppose this is as good a thread as any.

Labour announces plan for under 25s to have free bus travel
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/l...d-12345014

Magic money tree again.

Adrian



9,566
12 Apr 2018, 7:00 pm #1,152
(12 Apr 2018, 9:42 am)idiot Magic money tree again.

At least the sensible discussion is out in force on here again. Try reading the article, rather than swallowing a book of Daily Mail clichés? Rolleyes

To quote the article - 

Quote:How will they pay for it?
The money will come from Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) - better known as car tax.

From April 2020, VED is due to become a ring-fenced tax to pay for a new roads fund set up by the Tory government.

Labour, however, would widen that ring-fence by putting the money into a "sustainable transport fund" instead.

Labour's fund would be split between both road-building and the bus passes policy.

However, a Labour source insisted no less money would be spent on road building because the extra funds would be provided from capital - long-term, one-off - spending.

Labour has estimated the cost of the policy will be £1.4billion a year.

This is based on bus use statistics from the National Travel Survey and projections on how soon different authorities would be able to implement franchising or municipalisation.

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Adrian
12 Apr 2018, 7:00 pm #1,152

(12 Apr 2018, 9:42 am)idiot Magic money tree again.

At least the sensible discussion is out in force on here again. Try reading the article, rather than swallowing a book of Daily Mail clichés? Rolleyes

To quote the article - 

Quote:How will they pay for it?
The money will come from Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) - better known as car tax.

From April 2020, VED is due to become a ring-fenced tax to pay for a new roads fund set up by the Tory government.

Labour, however, would widen that ring-fence by putting the money into a "sustainable transport fund" instead.

Labour's fund would be split between both road-building and the bus passes policy.

However, a Labour source insisted no less money would be spent on road building because the extra funds would be provided from capital - long-term, one-off - spending.

Labour has estimated the cost of the policy will be £1.4billion a year.

This is based on bus use statistics from the National Travel Survey and projections on how soon different authorities would be able to implement franchising or municipalisation.


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Adrian



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12 Apr 2018, 7:14 pm #1,153
LIVE: Cabinet 'agrees on need to take action' over Syria
https://news.sky.com/story/live-us-russi...s-11327285

We've learned absolutely nothing from Chilcott then. This is Iraq all over again.  Angry

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Adrian
12 Apr 2018, 7:14 pm #1,153

LIVE: Cabinet 'agrees on need to take action' over Syria
https://news.sky.com/story/live-us-russi...s-11327285

We've learned absolutely nothing from Chilcott then. This is Iraq all over again.  Angry


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Jamie M

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12 Apr 2018, 7:17 pm #1,154
I think it's a silly way of using the money. Maybe using it to subsidize fairs or investments, but cutting money out of the system completely seems... a waste of time and spending. Why not just carry on with their plans to reuse VED and continue to charge people for the service, even if at a subsided rate?? More money to re-invest...

I'm also more concerned about public health and public education and public safety (police & CSOs) than I am about public transport subsiding also, and they definitely should be dead-center of attention for an opposition, it's an open goal. I think it's just politicians trying to appease the common people rather than making a serious pledge, at least I'd hope so in this case.
Jamie M
12 Apr 2018, 7:17 pm #1,154

I think it's a silly way of using the money. Maybe using it to subsidize fairs or investments, but cutting money out of the system completely seems... a waste of time and spending. Why not just carry on with their plans to reuse VED and continue to charge people for the service, even if at a subsided rate?? More money to re-invest...

I'm also more concerned about public health and public education and public safety (police & CSOs) than I am about public transport subsiding also, and they definitely should be dead-center of attention for an opposition, it's an open goal. I think it's just politicians trying to appease the common people rather than making a serious pledge, at least I'd hope so in this case.

Adrian



9,566
12 Apr 2018, 7:23 pm #1,155
(12 Apr 2018, 7:17 pm)Jamie M I think it's a silly way of using the money. Maybe using it to subsidize fairs or investments, but cutting money out of the system completely seems... a waste of time and spending. Why not just carry on with their plans to reuse VED and continue to charge people for the service, even if at a subsided rate?? More money to re-invest...

I'm also more concerned about public health and public education and public safety (police & CSOs) than I am about public transport subsiding also, and they definitely should be dead-center of attention for an opposition, it's an open goal. I think it's just politicians trying to appease the common people rather than making a serious pledge, at least I'd hope so in this case.

Do you think the two are mutually exclusive? Every party will come up with a manifesto to pledge to offer different things to different groups of people; that is politics.

Not sure I understand your comment about VED and the link to lower investment. Unless you're dreaming up a forecast for a particular local authority area?

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Adrian
12 Apr 2018, 7:23 pm #1,155

(12 Apr 2018, 7:17 pm)Jamie M I think it's a silly way of using the money. Maybe using it to subsidize fairs or investments, but cutting money out of the system completely seems... a waste of time and spending. Why not just carry on with their plans to reuse VED and continue to charge people for the service, even if at a subsided rate?? More money to re-invest...

I'm also more concerned about public health and public education and public safety (police & CSOs) than I am about public transport subsiding also, and they definitely should be dead-center of attention for an opposition, it's an open goal. I think it's just politicians trying to appease the common people rather than making a serious pledge, at least I'd hope so in this case.

Do you think the two are mutually exclusive? Every party will come up with a manifesto to pledge to offer different things to different groups of people; that is politics.

Not sure I understand your comment about VED and the link to lower investment. Unless you're dreaming up a forecast for a particular local authority area?


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Jamie M

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12 Apr 2018, 7:28 pm #1,156
(12 Apr 2018, 7:23 pm)Adrian Do you think the two are mutually exclusive? Every party will come up with a manifesto to pledge to offer different things to different groups of people; that is politics.

Not sure I understand your comment about VED and the link to lower investment. Unless you're dreaming up a forecast for a particular local authority area?

I believe it's nonsense that nobody will even think about if they were ever to get into power in the next election... which is looking more and more unlikely by the day. It's gone from a 2 horse-race to a 0 horse-race. Just stale as far as I can see. I don't believe there is a representative for these issues who will actually progress upon them in any way.

My point with the former wasn't a link to lower investment, rather why stop taking on funding from passengers of that age bracket? Tonnes of them pay for passes and whatnot. Why not use both the VED funding (or it's derivatives) and fares from these passengers to boost funding into public service, instead of replacing it for the 5-25 year old demo?
Jamie M
12 Apr 2018, 7:28 pm #1,156

(12 Apr 2018, 7:23 pm)Adrian Do you think the two are mutually exclusive? Every party will come up with a manifesto to pledge to offer different things to different groups of people; that is politics.

Not sure I understand your comment about VED and the link to lower investment. Unless you're dreaming up a forecast for a particular local authority area?

I believe it's nonsense that nobody will even think about if they were ever to get into power in the next election... which is looking more and more unlikely by the day. It's gone from a 2 horse-race to a 0 horse-race. Just stale as far as I can see. I don't believe there is a representative for these issues who will actually progress upon them in any way.

My point with the former wasn't a link to lower investment, rather why stop taking on funding from passengers of that age bracket? Tonnes of them pay for passes and whatnot. Why not use both the VED funding (or it's derivatives) and fares from these passengers to boost funding into public service, instead of replacing it for the 5-25 year old demo?

idiot



1,116
12 Apr 2018, 7:46 pm #1,157
They can't even fix pot holes from that income never mind this... Oh I would never ever ready the mail.
idiot
12 Apr 2018, 7:46 pm #1,157

They can't even fix pot holes from that income never mind this... Oh I would never ever ready the mail.

Andreos1



14,155
13 Apr 2018, 10:19 am #1,158
(12 Apr 2018, 7:17 pm)Jamie M I think it's a silly way of using the money. Maybe using it to subsidize fairs or investments, but cutting money out of the system completely seems... a waste of time and spending. Why not just carry on with their plans to reuse VED and continue to charge people for the service, even if at a subsided rate?? More money to re-invest...

I'm also more concerned about public health and public education and public safety (police & CSOs) than I am about public transport subsiding also, and they definitely should be dead-center of attention for an opposition, it's an open goal. I think it's just politicians trying to appease the common people rather than making a serious pledge, at least I'd hope so in this case.

Whilst the Home Office is ultimately responsible for divesting funds to the police forces around the country, it is up to the local PCC to allocate the funds as they see fit. 
This also applies to any precept raised via council tax.

Regardless of how much or how little the Home Office allocates, that PCC will spend accordingly and look after issues they feel important.
Vera Baird has a particular agenda and allocates accordingly. Regardless whether we agree with it or not. This includes  victims services, which strangely enough enabled her to award the contract to an organisation she is a director of.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
13 Apr 2018, 10:19 am #1,158

(12 Apr 2018, 7:17 pm)Jamie M I think it's a silly way of using the money. Maybe using it to subsidize fairs or investments, but cutting money out of the system completely seems... a waste of time and spending. Why not just carry on with their plans to reuse VED and continue to charge people for the service, even if at a subsided rate?? More money to re-invest...

I'm also more concerned about public health and public education and public safety (police & CSOs) than I am about public transport subsiding also, and they definitely should be dead-center of attention for an opposition, it's an open goal. I think it's just politicians trying to appease the common people rather than making a serious pledge, at least I'd hope so in this case.

Whilst the Home Office is ultimately responsible for divesting funds to the police forces around the country, it is up to the local PCC to allocate the funds as they see fit. 
This also applies to any precept raised via council tax.

Regardless of how much or how little the Home Office allocates, that PCC will spend accordingly and look after issues they feel important.
Vera Baird has a particular agenda and allocates accordingly. Regardless whether we agree with it or not. This includes  victims services, which strangely enough enabled her to award the contract to an organisation she is a director of.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Chris 1



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13 Apr 2018, 11:20 am #1,159
(12 Apr 2018, 7:17 pm)Jamie M I think it's a silly way of using the money. Maybe using it to subsidize fairs or investments, but cutting money out of the system completely seems... a waste of time and spending. Why not just carry on with their plans to reuse VED and continue to charge people for the service, even if at a subsided rate?? More money to re-invest...

I'm also more concerned about public health and public education and public safety (police & CSOs) than I am about public transport subsiding also, and they definitely should be dead-center of attention for an opposition, it's an open goal. I think it's just politicians trying to appease the common people rather than making a serious pledge, at least I'd hope so in this case.

I can't say I've noticed a populist clamour for such a policy?

Young people aren't entitled to things like the full minimum wage so spend proportionately more of their lower income on travel.  Plus, if they have free travel then they'll be less inclined to have their own car, thus easing congestion and relieving air quality.  Surely that's a good thing?
Chris 1
13 Apr 2018, 11:20 am #1,159

(12 Apr 2018, 7:17 pm)Jamie M I think it's a silly way of using the money. Maybe using it to subsidize fairs or investments, but cutting money out of the system completely seems... a waste of time and spending. Why not just carry on with their plans to reuse VED and continue to charge people for the service, even if at a subsided rate?? More money to re-invest...

I'm also more concerned about public health and public education and public safety (police & CSOs) than I am about public transport subsiding also, and they definitely should be dead-center of attention for an opposition, it's an open goal. I think it's just politicians trying to appease the common people rather than making a serious pledge, at least I'd hope so in this case.

I can't say I've noticed a populist clamour for such a policy?

Young people aren't entitled to things like the full minimum wage so spend proportionately more of their lower income on travel.  Plus, if they have free travel then they'll be less inclined to have their own car, thus easing congestion and relieving air quality.  Surely that's a good thing?

Jamie M

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13 Apr 2018, 11:22 am #1,160
(13 Apr 2018, 10:19 am)Andreos1 Whilst the Home Office is ultimately responsible for divesting funds to the police forces around the country, it is up to the local PCC to allocate the funds as they see fit. 
This also applies to any precept raised via council tax.

Regardless of how much or how little the Home Office allocates, that PCC will spend accordingly and look after issues they feel important.
Vera Baird has a particular agenda and allocates accordingly. Regardless whether we agree with it or not. This includes  victims services, which strangely enough enabled her to award the contract to an organisation she is a director of.


I used to follow this stuff a lot closer, but now I feel most of the time I feel completely disconnected to what's happening and how the country is even being run. Not sure if this is passive or active ignorance.

I would have thought changing passenger fairs and reusing the VED else where or to improve systems, but hard to really say. I still don't think it will come close to actually happening, but that may just be my complete lack of confidence in any government system at present.

(13 Apr 2018, 11:20 am)Chris 1 I can't say I've noticed a populist clamour for such a policy?

Young people aren't entitled to things like the full minimum wage so spend proportionately more of their lower income on travel.  Plus, if they have free travel then they'll be less inclined to have their own car, thus easing congestion and relieving air quality.  Surely that's a good thing?

My opinions are based on my experiences -- I bought bus passes and drove, so I can't relate to that point.

I don't think it'll deal with congestion either, or not in any noticable way. It'll maybe stop some new drivers starting, but wouldn't convert many to bus imo.

My idea was to subsidise fairs with VED in order to be cutting fairs and having more money free to invest back into the system or elsewhere.
Jamie M
13 Apr 2018, 11:22 am #1,160

(13 Apr 2018, 10:19 am)Andreos1 Whilst the Home Office is ultimately responsible for divesting funds to the police forces around the country, it is up to the local PCC to allocate the funds as they see fit. 
This also applies to any precept raised via council tax.

Regardless of how much or how little the Home Office allocates, that PCC will spend accordingly and look after issues they feel important.
Vera Baird has a particular agenda and allocates accordingly. Regardless whether we agree with it or not. This includes  victims services, which strangely enough enabled her to award the contract to an organisation she is a director of.


I used to follow this stuff a lot closer, but now I feel most of the time I feel completely disconnected to what's happening and how the country is even being run. Not sure if this is passive or active ignorance.

I would have thought changing passenger fairs and reusing the VED else where or to improve systems, but hard to really say. I still don't think it will come close to actually happening, but that may just be my complete lack of confidence in any government system at present.

(13 Apr 2018, 11:20 am)Chris 1 I can't say I've noticed a populist clamour for such a policy?

Young people aren't entitled to things like the full minimum wage so spend proportionately more of their lower income on travel.  Plus, if they have free travel then they'll be less inclined to have their own car, thus easing congestion and relieving air quality.  Surely that's a good thing?

My opinions are based on my experiences -- I bought bus passes and drove, so I can't relate to that point.

I don't think it'll deal with congestion either, or not in any noticable way. It'll maybe stop some new drivers starting, but wouldn't convert many to bus imo.

My idea was to subsidise fairs with VED in order to be cutting fairs and having more money free to invest back into the system or elsewhere.

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