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Tom

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22 Jan 2018, 6:38 pm #2,001

(22 Jan 2018, 6:27 pm)peter This may be a bit of stretch but given the fact that the 552 has been extended to incorporate the Nexus contracted service 496, perhaps the 51 is being merged with the W1/W1a.

Possibly yeah, not sure how that would work but guess some parts of the W1/W1A would have to suffice with a hourly service.

The 51 is always overcrowded between Newcastle and Benton Asda, so good so see it's being improved.

Tom

22 Jan 2018, 6:38 pm #2,001

(22 Jan 2018, 6:27 pm)peter This may be a bit of stretch but given the fact that the 552 has been extended to incorporate the Nexus contracted service 496, perhaps the 51 is being merged with the W1/W1a.

Michael

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26 Jan 2018, 6:59 pm #2,002

PB0002717/389 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby to Scarborough
Service number: X93 (X93)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 25 Mar 2018

PB0002717/387 Registered
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Route: Middlesbrough to Guisborough
Service number: X93 (X93)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 25 Mar 2018

PB0002717/388 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Guisborough to Whitby
Service number: X93 (X93)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 25 Mar 2018

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Michael

26 Jan 2018, 6:59 pm #2,002

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

RobinHood

638

26 Jan 2018, 7:18 pm #2,003

PB0002717/455 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby Park & Ride to Whitby Park & Ride
Service number: P1 (P2, P1)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 30 Mar 2018

RobinHood

26 Jan 2018, 7:18 pm #2,003

PB0002717/455 Registered
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Route: Whitby Park & Ride to Whitby Park & Ride
Service number: P1 (P2, P1)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 30 Mar 2018

L469 YVK

3,549

26 Jan 2018, 10:49 pm #2,004

PB0002032/252 Registered
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Blyth to Newcastle
Service number: X8 (X8)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 18 Mar 2018

PB0002032/11 Registered
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Blyth to Newcastle
Service number: X7 (X7)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 18 Mar 2018

PB0002032/450 Registered
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Blyth to Newcastle
Service number: 308 (308)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Mar 2018

PB0002032/452 Registered
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Route: Newcastle to Whitley Bay
Service number: 306 (306)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Mar 2018

PB0002032/457 Registered
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Route: Whitley Bay to Newcastle
Service number: 54 (54)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Mar 2018

PB0002032/459 Registered
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Route: Newbiggin to Newcastle
Service number: 52 (52)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Mar 2018

PB0002032/9 Registered
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Dinnington
Service number: 45 (45)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Mar 2018

PB0002032/336 Registered
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Dinnington
Service number: 44 (44)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Mar 2018

PB0002032/342 Registered
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle to Morpeth
Service number: 43 (43)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Mar 2018

PB0002032/346 Registered
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Route: Blyth to Morpeth
Service number: 2 (2)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Mar 2018

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If any of the above are to improve reliability, a simple 'rejigg' of the times isn't going to solve many of the issues with or without roadworks. Extra buses and extra running time to deliver real improvement is what is needed, not a 'pack em in and run em' late approach. Seen it too many times particularly with the 306 / 308 and rejigging the times 5 minutes here and there isn't going to improve reliability. Adding time and maybe an extra bus on some of the routes will!

L469 YVK

26 Jan 2018, 10:49 pm #2,004

Pulsar

442

27 Jan 2018, 8:56 am #2,005

I think Arriva are doing quite a good job with the X7 and X8 despite roadworks. Extra buses have been added to the cycle so some peak journeys are given 22 minutes layover at the Haymarket (eg the 17:07 X8 comes from the 16:45 X7 arrival). I dont think extending running time on these routes is a good option because on many days, especially Friday the traffic at Longbenton is not bad so the bus has to wait time at Quorum. Adding running time would just increase waiting time on many trips. As long as they are getting buses away from Newcastle and Blyth on time then I think thats the best they can do. Some other services such as the 308 may also benefit from extra buses.

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Pulsar

27 Jan 2018, 8:56 am #2,005

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Jimmi

10,970

27 Jan 2018, 9:06 am #2,006

(27 Jan 2018, 8:56 am)Pulsar I think Arriva are doing quite a good job with the X7 and X8 despite roadworks. Extra buses have been added to the cycle so some peak journeys are given 22 minutes layover at the Haymarket (eg the 17:07 X8 comes from the 16:45 X7 arrival). I dont think extending running time on these routes is a good option because on many days, especially Friday the traffic at Longbenton is not bad so the bus has to wait time at Quorum. Adding running time would just increase waiting time on many trips. As long as they are getting buses away from Newcastle and Blyth on time then I think thats the best they can do. Some other services such as the 308 may also benefit from extra buses.

Newcastle is probably a big issue with all the Blyth services, plus X21/X22 etc and you can only have a bus on stand for so long in Haymarket because otherwise you would have buses stuck outside sat on Piercy Street, bad enough as it is at times.

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Jimmi

27 Jan 2018, 9:06 am #2,006

(27 Jan 2018, 8:56 am)Pulsar I think Arriva are doing quite a good job with the X7 and X8 despite roadworks. Extra buses have been added to the cycle so some peak journeys are given 22 minutes layover at the Haymarket (eg the 17:07 X8 comes from the 16:45 X7 arrival). I dont think extending running time on these routes is a good option because on many days, especially Friday the traffic at Longbenton is not bad so the bus has to wait time at Quorum. Adding running time would just increase waiting time on many trips. As long as they are getting buses away from Newcastle and Blyth on time then I think thats the best they can do. Some other services such as the 308 may also benefit from extra buses.

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Shrek

199

29 Jan 2018, 9:00 pm #2,007

The following information was released by Quorum Business Park.

X7/X8 Service
Newcastle City Council originally advised the Killingworth Road would be re-opened on 28 Feb 2018, however the closure has been extended until the summer (date tbc) as there are complications with the utilities works. Newcastle City Council have been subsidising the diversion of some Arriva buses during the closure, the funding for that runs out at the end of Feb (despite the road still being closed) as a result;

from the 18 March 2018 the X7 will leave Quorum and go straight down Benton Lane then turn right at Four Lane Ends, rather than diverting through Balliol and Longbenton first. This is actually a good thing for people working at Quorum as it will make the bus journey to town a lot quicker on the X7 bus.

The X8 will still travel through Balliol and Longbenton before heading to Newcastle. There are just some minor changes elsewhere on the route

NOTE the X7 and X8 bus do not stop at Four Lane Ends, they just travel past it.

Change to the 555 Service

The 555 will no longer travel to the Regent Centre after the last journey to Four Lane Ends as there wasn’t enough people using the service to make it commercially viable.

NOTE: we are aware of the issues with some of the morning services not operating to timetable, I have reported this to Arriva and they are running off some reports to see if any more tweaks to the service are required. We are hopeful that the service will return to a 25-min loop when the Killingworth road re-opens in the summer.

Service 52 and 54
Arriva have been monitoring passenger numbers on their evening services and they have recorded very few people using them. Some of the evening routes are no longer commercially viable and as a result:

The number 52 bus to Newcastle at 21:05 will be withdrawn from 18 March 2018

The number 54 bus to Newcastle at 21:19, 22:06 and 23:06 will be withdrawn from 18 March 2018

NOTE: Arriva have applied for some funding from Nexus to subsidise the evening buses on the 54 services so there is a chance that they may come back on in the future. If the withdrawal of the services affects any of your staff please provide me with details so I can pass them onto Arriva to support the application of the subsidy.

Most timetables will change again in the summer when Killingworth Road is re-opened.

Shrek

29 Jan 2018, 9:00 pm #2,007

from the 18 March 2018 the X7 will leave Quorum and go straight down Benton Lane then turn right at Four Lane Ends, rather than diverting through Balliol and Longbenton first. This is actually a good thing for people working at Quorum as it will make the bus journey to town a lot quicker on the X7 bus.

The X8 will still travel through Balliol and Longbenton before heading to Newcastle. There are just some minor changes elsewhere on the route

NOTE the X7 and X8 bus do not stop at Four Lane Ends, they just travel past it.

Change to the 555 Service

The 555 will no longer travel to the Regent Centre after the last journey to Four Lane Ends as there wasn’t enough people using the service to make it commercially viable.

The number 52 bus to Newcastle at 21:05 will be withdrawn from 18 March 2018

The number 54 bus to Newcastle at 21:19, 22:06 and 23:06 will be withdrawn from 18 March 2018

Pulsar

442

29 Jan 2018, 9:31 pm #2,008

There is also details from Northumberland County Council about these changes. In general its just minor timetable changes however service 44 is being withdrawn between Dinnington and Morpeth.

http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/Northum...-01-26.pdf

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Pulsar

29 Jan 2018, 9:31 pm #2,008

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L469 YVK

3,549

29 Jan 2018, 10:19 pm #2,009

Might have to take my comments back about the 306 / 308. Can't seem to make out the NCC literature (which might contain mistakes) and only the final timetable will confirm but looking at this, the 308 looks to be as follows if it gets more time:

Blyth Departures: xx:10, xx:25, xx:40, xx:55
Newcastle Arrivals: xx:16, xx:31, xx:46, xx:01
Newcastle Departures: xx:23, xx:38, xx:53, xx:08
Blyth Arrivals: xx:26, xx:41, xx:56, xx:11

Hope the final timetable confirms the above and Arriva have finally seen sense to provide an extra bus with increased running / recovery time.

Edited 29 Jan 2018, 10:19 pm by L469 YVK.

L469 YVK

29 Jan 2018, 10:19 pm #2,009

Tom

6,138

29 Jan 2018, 10:53 pm #2,010

(29 Jan 2018, 9:31 pm)Pulsar There is also details from Northumberland County Council about these changes. In general its just minor timetable changes however service 44 is being withdrawn between Dinnington and Morpeth.

http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/Northum...-01-26.pdf

Hopefully a replacement will be sourced! Could even be a case of amending the S1 to operate the 44 route between Stannington and Morpeth.

Tom

29 Jan 2018, 10:53 pm #2,010

(29 Jan 2018, 9:31 pm)Pulsar There is also details from Northumberland County Council about these changes. In general its just minor timetable changes however service 44 is being withdrawn between Dinnington and Morpeth.

http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/Northum...-01-26.pdf

Hopefully a replacement will be sourced! Could even be a case of amending the S1 to operate the 44 route between Stannington and Morpeth.

Jimmi

10,970

29 Jan 2018, 11:35 pm #2,011

(29 Jan 2018, 10:53 pm)Tom Hopefully a replacement will be sourced! Could even be a case of amending the S1 to operate the 44 route between Stannington and Morpeth.

Saw this coming, got a 44 from Stannington to Morpeth recently and I think there was only me (and possibly one more passenger) on it, mind not surprising when on the section between Hepscott Park and Morpeth, the 43 & 44 are running only 3 minutes apart from each other in both directions (on this occasion the 44 was late, so the 43 picked up all the passengers).

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Jimmi

29 Jan 2018, 11:35 pm #2,011

(29 Jan 2018, 10:53 pm)Tom Hopefully a replacement will be sourced! Could even be a case of amending the S1 to operate the 44 route between Stannington and Morpeth.

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Pulsar

442

29 Jan 2018, 11:46 pm #2,012

(29 Jan 2018, 11:35 pm)Jimmi Saw this coming, got a 44 from Stannington to Morpeth recently and I think there was only me (and possibly one more passenger) on it, mind not surprising when on the section between Hepscott Park and Morpeth, the 43 & 44 are running only 3 minutes apart from each other in both directions (on this occasion the 44 was late, so the 43 picked up all the passengers).

My observations support this too, I have been on the 44 several times and there was never more than 6 of us on that section.
Think this withdrawl has been coming for years really, first loss of evening services and then in 2015? they consulted on losing the full Saturday service. Surprised it lasted this long when I think about it.

Shame to see these areas lose a service although its clear that the demand was just not there.

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Pulsar

29 Jan 2018, 11:46 pm #2,012

(29 Jan 2018, 11:35 pm)Jimmi Saw this coming, got a 44 from Stannington to Morpeth recently and I think there was only me (and possibly one more passenger) on it, mind not surprising when on the section between Hepscott Park and Morpeth, the 43 & 44 are running only 3 minutes apart from each other in both directions (on this occasion the 44 was late, so the 43 picked up all the passengers).

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Michael

19,168

08 Feb 2018, 6:45 pm #2,013

PB0002717/455 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby Park & Ride to Whitby Park & Ride
Service number: P1 (P1, P2)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 01 May 2018

PB0002717/451 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby Sainsburys to Lealholme
Service number: 95 (95)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 15 Apr 2018

PB0002032/152 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Newcastle General Hospital to Great Park
Service number: 46 (46)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Mar 2018

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Michael

08 Feb 2018, 6:45 pm #2,013

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Kuyoyo

6,853

12 Feb 2018, 1:24 pm #2,014

(26 Jan 2018, 6:59 pm)Michael PB0002717/389 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby to Scarborough
Service number: X93 (X93)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 25 Mar 2018

PB0002717/387 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Guisborough
Service number: X93 (X93)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 25 Mar 2018

PB0002717/388 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Guisborough to Whitby
Service number: X93 (X93)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 25 Mar 2018

Summer X93 timetable now on-line:
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/globalassets...18_sum.pdf

Changes from the 2017 season:
New 'earlier' journey added between Middlesbrough and Whitby departing Middlesbrough at 0750 and Guisborough at 0818, connecting with the former Whitby 'short' board - appears all of the summer extras will be Redcar operated this summer.
Journeys towards Scarborough will now leave Guisborough 2 minutes earlier.
The late departure between Middlesbrough and Scarborough in the summer (1820 from Middlesbrough, 1935 from Whitby) presently gets 1 hour 2 minutes between Whitby and Scarborough - from the end of March, this is reduced to 55 minutes, allowing the last Scarborough to Whitby journey to depart 10 minutes earlier at 2045 (was 2055 last year) arriving in Whitby at 2136 (2155).
All daytime journeys will arriving in Scarborough 1 minute earlier than presently
The current last departure from Whitby to Middlesbrough all year round at 1903 and the last Middlesbrough to Whitby at 2020 will now run Summer only
Journeys from Whitby to Middlesbrough will run 2 minutes later from Guisborough to Middlesbrough

(08 Feb 2018, 6:45 pm)Michael PB0002717/455 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby Park & Ride to Whitby Park & Ride
Service number: P1 (P1, P2)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 01 May 2018

PB0002717/451 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby Sainsburys to Lealholme
Service number: 95 (95)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 15 Apr 2018

New 95: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/north-east/s...ate=180415

Whitby Park and Ride appears to be the same times as last year.

Kuyoyo

12 Feb 2018, 1:24 pm #2,014

(26 Jan 2018, 6:59 pm)Michael PB0002717/389 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby to Scarborough
Service number: X93 (X93)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 25 Mar 2018

PB0002717/387 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Guisborough
Service number: X93 (X93)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 25 Mar 2018

PB0002717/388 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Guisborough to Whitby
Service number: X93 (X93)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 25 Mar 2018

(08 Feb 2018, 6:45 pm)Michael PB0002717/455 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby Park & Ride to Whitby Park & Ride
Service number: P1 (P1, P2)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 01 May 2018

PB0002717/451 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby Sainsburys to Lealholme
Service number: 95 (95)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 15 Apr 2018

New 95: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/north-east/s...ate=180415

Whitby Park and Ride appears to be the same times as last year.

S830OFT

1,395

12 Feb 2018, 5:05 pm #2,015

Will Explorers be valid past Sleights?

S830OFT

12 Feb 2018, 5:05 pm #2,015

Will Explorers be valid past Sleights?

Andreos1

14,218

12 Feb 2018, 5:39 pm #2,016

(12 Feb 2018, 5:05 pm)S830OFT Will Explorers be valid past Sleights?

Looking at the map, http://networkonetickets.co.uk/tickets/explorer/

I would suggest it was.

There is the ANE NE ticket to look at if not.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Andreos1

12 Feb 2018, 5:39 pm #2,016

(12 Feb 2018, 5:05 pm)S830OFT Will Explorers be valid past Sleights?

Looking at the map, http://networkonetickets.co.uk/tickets/explorer/

I would suggest it was.

There is the ANE NE ticket to look at if not.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

omnicity4659

5,589

12 Feb 2018, 6:06 pm #2,017

Yes, they will.

omnicity4659

12 Feb 2018, 6:06 pm #2,017

Yes, they will.

Cock Robin

2,778

12 Feb 2018, 6:37 pm #2,018

(12 Feb 2018, 1:24 pm)Kuyoyo Summer X93 timetable now on-line:
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/globalassets...18_sum.pdf

Changes from the 2017 season:
New 'earlier' journey added between Middlesbrough and Whitby departing Middlesbrough at 0750 and Guisborough at 0818, connecting with the former Whitby 'short' board - appears all of the summer extras will be Redcar operated this summer.
Journeys towards Scarborough will now leave Guisborough 2 minutes earlier.
The late departure between Middlesbrough and Scarborough in the summer (1820 from Middlesbrough, 1935 from Whitby) presently gets 1 hour 2 minutes between Whitby and Scarborough - from the end of March, this is reduced to 55 minutes, allowing the last Scarborough to Whitby journey to depart 10 minutes earlier at 2045 (was 2055 last year) arriving in Whitby at 2136 (2155).
All daytime journeys will arriving in Scarborough 1 minute earlier than presently
The current last departure from Whitby to Middlesbrough all year round at 1903 and the last Middlesbrough to Whitby at 2020 will now run Summer only
Journeys from Whitby to Middlesbrough will run 2 minutes later from Guisborough to Middlesbrough

New 95: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/north-east/s...ate=180415

Whitby Park and Ride appears to be the same times as last year.

That's a bastard. It better run in to M'bro even if empty!

Cock Robin

12 Feb 2018, 6:37 pm #2,018

(12 Feb 2018, 1:24 pm)Kuyoyo Summer X93 timetable now on-line:
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/globalassets...18_sum.pdf

Changes from the 2017 season:
New 'earlier' journey added between Middlesbrough and Whitby departing Middlesbrough at 0750 and Guisborough at 0818, connecting with the former Whitby 'short' board - appears all of the summer extras will be Redcar operated this summer.
Journeys towards Scarborough will now leave Guisborough 2 minutes earlier.
The late departure between Middlesbrough and Scarborough in the summer (1820 from Middlesbrough, 1935 from Whitby) presently gets 1 hour 2 minutes between Whitby and Scarborough - from the end of March, this is reduced to 55 minutes, allowing the last Scarborough to Whitby journey to depart 10 minutes earlier at 2045 (was 2055 last year) arriving in Whitby at 2136 (2155).
All daytime journeys will arriving in Scarborough 1 minute earlier than presently
The current last departure from Whitby to Middlesbrough all year round at 1903 and the last Middlesbrough to Whitby at 2020 will now run Summer only
Journeys from Whitby to Middlesbrough will run 2 minutes later from Guisborough to Middlesbrough

New 95: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/north-east/s...ate=180415

Whitby Park and Ride appears to be the same times as last year.

That's a bastard. It better run in to M'bro even if empty!

Kuyoyo

6,853

13 Feb 2018, 8:18 am #2,019

(12 Feb 2018, 6:37 pm)Cock Robin That's a bastard. It better run in to M'bro even if empty!

The inbound from Whitby is also Summer only - only part of that one that runs all year round is the Scarborough to Whitby bit.

Kuyoyo

13 Feb 2018, 8:18 am #2,019

(12 Feb 2018, 6:37 pm)Cock Robin That's a bastard. It better run in to M'bro even if empty!

The inbound from Whitby is also Summer only - only part of that one that runs all year round is the Scarborough to Whitby bit.

Cock Robin

2,778

14 Feb 2018, 10:43 am #2,020

(13 Feb 2018, 8:18 am)Kuyoyo The inbound from Whitby is also Summer only - only part of that one that runs all year round is the Scarborough to Whitby bit.

Oh dear!

Cock Robin

14 Feb 2018, 10:43 am #2,020

(13 Feb 2018, 8:18 am)Kuyoyo The inbound from Whitby is also Summer only - only part of that one that runs all year round is the Scarborough to Whitby bit.

Oh dear!

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