Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes
Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes
(17 Dec 2023, 10:53 am)L469 YVK The whole reason why the loop will likely be in place (subject to consultation) is so that running times can be increased. Effectively, the time saved interworking the X21 & 35 via the loop will be re-invested elsewhere in both routes.
(17 Dec 2023, 10:53 am)L469 YVK The whole reason why the loop will likely be in place (subject to consultation) is so that running times can be increased. Effectively, the time saved interworking the X21 & 35 via the loop will be re-invested elsewhere in both routes.
(17 Dec 2023, 3:08 pm)mb134 Yes - so why would they swap the routes of them in Bedlington if they've identified the solution to late running as looping Newbiggin?That won't allow sufficient time alone to be added to journeys though to help keep things robust. Ashington to Newcastle on the current X21 route but via Hartford Road instead would need at least 60 minutes outbound and 58 minutes inbound. Effectively the 'old' X21 and X31/X32 route, one time only needing around 52 minutes on that stretch.
(17 Dec 2023, 3:08 pm)mb134 Yes - so why would they swap the routes of them in Bedlington if they've identified the solution to late running as looping Newbiggin?That won't allow sufficient time alone to be added to journeys though to help keep things robust. Ashington to Newcastle on the current X21 route but via Hartford Road instead would need at least 60 minutes outbound and 58 minutes inbound. Effectively the 'old' X21 and X31/X32 route, one time only needing around 52 minutes on that stretch.
(17 Dec 2023, 3:49 pm)L469 YVK That won't allow sufficient time alone to be added to journeys though to help keep things robust.
(17 Dec 2023, 3:49 pm)L469 YVK That won't allow sufficient time alone to be added to journeys though to help keep things robust.
(17 Dec 2023, 5:05 pm)mb134 Sitting for 17 minutes in Morpeth and 9 in Haymarket each cycle is massively overkill, given time is being put back into the routes.
Ultimately Arriva have consulted on a change to the route in Newbiggin and Newbiggin alone, not a pointless change in Bedlington. I think it's more than safe to assume that will be the only change to the route.
(17 Dec 2023, 5:05 pm)mb134 Sitting for 17 minutes in Morpeth and 9 in Haymarket each cycle is massively overkill, given time is being put back into the routes.
Ultimately Arriva have consulted on a change to the route in Newbiggin and Newbiggin alone, not a pointless change in Bedlington. I think it's more than safe to assume that will be the only change to the route.
(17 Dec 2023, 6:46 pm)L469 YVK Don't forget either that Sundays & Bank Holidays also seem to be plagued with reliability issues.
(17 Dec 2023, 6:46 pm)L469 YVK Don't forget either that Sundays & Bank Holidays also seem to be plagued with reliability issues.
(17 Dec 2023, 9:06 pm)mb134 There have been more Sunday/BH boards introduced for this very reason.
Ultimately the X21 and X22 aren't swapping to the routes they did over a decade ago, and probably never will.
(17 Dec 2023, 9:06 pm)mb134 There have been more Sunday/BH boards introduced for this very reason.
Ultimately the X21 and X22 aren't swapping to the routes they did over a decade ago, and probably never will.
(17 Dec 2023, 9:20 pm)L469 YVK Whereabouts have Arriva added the extra boards? Bar a few minutes added to the X22 unless remote reliefs are actively happening in Morpeth on Sundays? There's a few today I've noticed on bustimes.
(17 Dec 2023, 9:20 pm)L469 YVK Whereabouts have Arriva added the extra boards? Bar a few minutes added to the X22 unless remote reliefs are actively happening in Morpeth on Sundays? There's a few today I've noticed on bustimes.
(17 Dec 2023, 10:46 pm)mb134 There are multiple additional boards, such as the one starting as the 1114 35.That's not an additional board though, that's just extra PVR being thrown in. A bit like what GNE used to do at Hexham & Bishop Auckland when the 10 & X21 had long layovers with a new bus sent out.
(17 Dec 2023, 10:46 pm)mb134 There are multiple additional boards, such as the one starting as the 1114 35.That's not an additional board though, that's just extra PVR being thrown in. A bit like what GNE used to do at Hexham & Bishop Auckland when the 10 & X21 had long layovers with a new bus sent out.
(18 Dec 2023, 10:15 am)L469 YVK That's not an additional board though, that's just extra PVR being thrown in. A bit like what GNE used to do at Hexham & Bishop Auckland when the 10 & X21 had long layovers with a new bus sent out.
I suppose it would be do-able keeping Bedlington to Newcastle as it is now on both routes, although wouldn't leave much scope for decent layovers at Newcastle or Morpeth with 65 / 63 minute running times between Newcastle & Ashington plus the rest of added time thrown in.
The main advantage running the X21 via Hartford Road however is that it could potentially win over / retain customers who aren't going around Central Station and don't want the hassle of changing onto the Metro or walking. On the flipside however, Red House Farm and Nedderton could keep the X21 viable on a 30 minute frequency (X22 won't be as affected) should most passengers around the Bedlington Station area deflect to the train. Completely unknown territory at the moment although Arriva did make the move swapping around the X8 & X9 between Blyth and Cramlington for that exact reason to try and retain customers.
Early days but does anyone have an idea of how the new 777 route may look? Seems quite a rural route unless you end up around the doors and doubling back the odd time.
Possible #1
https://maps.app.goo.gl/SGXLNQDpkN2RRSYn9
- Fairly direct not but a lot of traffic between Morpeth & Ponteland.
Possible #2
https://maps.app.goo.gl/p2WTWSCMjz2AZsy76
- Less direct, but taking in Stannington & Dinnington.
Possible #3
https://maps.app.goo.gl/dG72Yf1hvjdWNDPD9
- Too much? But you can catch Whitehouse Farm, St Mary's, Stannington & Dinnington (to name a few!)
Time will tell I guess!
I wonder if the 57/57A route change would be extended the 57/57A to North Shields full time Monday to Saturday
Still confused why it goes there on an evening & Sundays. Would give people from Whitley to North Shields via Rake Lane of which a bus from. Yea the 317 goes there but do wonder if the 57/57A will go there
(19 Dec 2023, 9:20 pm)Aaron21 I wonder if the 57/57A route change would be extended the 57/57A to North Shields full time Monday to Saturday
Still confused why it goes there on an evening & Sundays. Would give people from Whitley to North Shields via Rake Lane of which a bus from. Yea the 317 goes there but do wonder if the 57/57A will go there
(19 Dec 2023, 9:20 pm)Aaron21 I wonder if the 57/57A route change would be extended the 57/57A to North Shields full time Monday to Saturday
Still confused why it goes there on an evening & Sundays. Would give people from Whitley to North Shields via Rake Lane of which a bus from. Yea the 317 goes there but do wonder if the 57/57A will go there
(19 Dec 2023, 9:20 pm)Aaron21 I wonder if the 57/57A route change would be extended the 57/57A to North Shields full time Monday to Saturday
Still confused why it goes there on an evening & Sundays. Would give people from Whitley to North Shields via Rake Lane of which a bus from. Yea the 317 goes there but do wonder if the 57/57A will go there
(19 Dec 2023, 9:20 pm)Aaron21 I wonder if the 57/57A route change would be extended the 57/57A to North Shields full time Monday to Saturday
Still confused why it goes there on an evening & Sundays. Would give people from Whitley to North Shields via Rake Lane of which a bus from. Yea the 317 goes there but do wonder if the 57/57A will go there
(19 Dec 2023, 9:27 pm)mb134 Think that would require yet another PVR increase on the service?
Given there seems to be lots of focus on improving evening services, I wonder if providing Ashington with an evening link to Cramlington would be on the cards - which of course is PVR neutral?
(19 Dec 2023, 9:27 pm)mb134 Think that would require yet another PVR increase on the service?
Given there seems to be lots of focus on improving evening services, I wonder if providing Ashington with an evening link to Cramlington would be on the cards - which of course is PVR neutral?
(19 Dec 2023, 9:27 pm)mb134 Think that would require yet another PVR increase on the service?Or maybe both.....Billy Mill Lane / New York to North Shields has always carried a fair amount dating back to the days of the 356 & 442 especially with the Twirlies. Plus good opportunity to capitalise on GNE's short notice cancellations.
Given there seems to be lots of focus on improving evening services, I wonder if providing Ashington with an evening link to Cramlington would be on the cards - which of course is PVR neutral?
(19 Dec 2023, 9:27 pm)mb134 Think that would require yet another PVR increase on the service?Or maybe both.....Billy Mill Lane / New York to North Shields has always carried a fair amount dating back to the days of the 356 & 442 especially with the Twirlies. Plus good opportunity to capitalise on GNE's short notice cancellations.
Given there seems to be lots of focus on improving evening services, I wonder if providing Ashington with an evening link to Cramlington would be on the cards - which of course is PVR neutral?
(19 Dec 2023, 10:54 pm)Aaron21 Isn't the 57/57A become void of solos from this change. Heard it earlier when the 57A went to Ashington full time that the 57/57A wasn't gonna be solos anymore
(19 Dec 2023, 10:54 pm)Aaron21 Isn't the 57/57A become void of solos from this change. Heard it earlier when the 57A went to Ashington full time that the 57/57A wasn't gonna be solos anymore