Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes
Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes
(24 Nov 2015, 4:55 pm)DaveyBowyer That's different. The management were wrong on this instance. Deliberate late running isn't such a problem on longer and less frequent routes and late running is more down to the traffic conditions. It's more of a problem on the more frequent routes. 35 mins late on the X20 is very noticable. But running 15 minutes late on the X21/X22/X10/X11/308 and any others isn't very noticable. These can be easily be regulated owing to their frequency. And to be fair, Ashington depot isn't such a problem and I've only experienced one late runner from there for such reason. It's another certain depot beginning with a B where I've noticed a small minority of drivers not making an effort.
(24 Nov 2015, 4:59 pm)mb134 I could point out some drivers from that depot who are late (at least 5 minutes) pretty much every time I get on their bus. There are common themes, driving at 15-20 in a 30, taking forever to pull away from stops (as in not even attempting to pull away for quite a while after the passenger boards), being VERY hesitant, taking forever with the ticket machine etc.
So, it seems while they punish drivers who aren't intentionally running late, they let others get away with it.
(24 Nov 2015, 4:55 pm)DaveyBowyer That's different. The management were wrong on this instance. Deliberate late running isn't such a problem on longer and less frequent routes and late running is more down to the traffic conditions. It's more of a problem on the more frequent routes. 35 mins late on the X20 is very noticable. But running 15 minutes late on the X21/X22/X10/X11/308 and any others isn't very noticable. These can be easily be regulated owing to their frequency. And to be fair, Ashington depot isn't such a problem and I've only experienced one late runner from there for such reason. It's another certain depot beginning with a B where I've noticed a small minority of drivers not making an effort.
(24 Nov 2015, 4:59 pm)mb134 I could point out some drivers from that depot who are late (at least 5 minutes) pretty much every time I get on their bus. There are common themes, driving at 15-20 in a 30, taking forever to pull away from stops (as in not even attempting to pull away for quite a while after the passenger boards), being VERY hesitant, taking forever with the ticket machine etc.
So, it seems while they punish drivers who aren't intentionally running late, they let others get away with it.
(24 Nov 2015, 5:26 pm)Jimmi Do drivers at other Arriva depots tend to wait for passengers to sit down before pulling away from a stop like most of Darlington depot's drivers tend to do? Although it was typical the one driver I've had recently that didn't do this was the one I had on the 5 to Darlington yesterday where I had to climb over someone's dog which was sat in the middle of the bloody aisle.
(24 Nov 2015, 5:26 pm)Jimmi Do drivers at other Arriva depots tend to wait for passengers to sit down before pulling away from a stop like most of Darlington depot's drivers tend to do? Although it was typical the one driver I've had recently that didn't do this was the one I had on the 5 to Darlington yesterday where I had to climb over someone's dog which was sat in the middle of the bloody aisle.
(24 Nov 2015, 5:26 pm)Jimmi I can't see how you think deliberate late running is not as big as problem on a frequent route rather than just limited frequency services, I'd sharp notice late running on the 7 which has a 15 minute frequency. I know it's obviously worse on the likes of the X20 but still.
Do drivers at other Arriva depots tend to wait for passengers to sit down before pulling away from a stop like most of Darlington depot's drivers tend to do? Although it was typical the one driver I've had recently that didn't do this was the one I had on the 5 to Darlington yesterday where I had to climb over someone's dog which was sat in the middle of the bloody aisle.
(24 Nov 2015, 5:26 pm)Jimmi I can't see how you think deliberate late running is not as big as problem on a frequent route rather than just limited frequency services, I'd sharp notice late running on the 7 which has a 15 minute frequency. I know it's obviously worse on the likes of the X20 but still.
Do drivers at other Arriva depots tend to wait for passengers to sit down before pulling away from a stop like most of Darlington depot's drivers tend to do? Although it was typical the one driver I've had recently that didn't do this was the one I had on the 5 to Darlington yesterday where I had to climb over someone's dog which was sat in the middle of the bloody aisle.
(24 Nov 2015, 6:23 pm)tyresmoke Company policy dictates that you should wait for all passengers to be seated or securely standing before moving away. Of course when you are running late you will often find drivers pulling away before this, putting themselves at (admittedly low) risk of action being taken should anything happen. That's why some drivers will stick to the rules, especially if they are on a disciplinary tight rope should we say.That's absolutely fine. The problem isn't with drivers who run late by:
Late running occurs every day on every service, however there is clearly a divide between certain depots that is obvious when you see statistics across various services. Anything above 5 minutes late is counted as late on our statistics and counts against a drivers punctuality stats. I myself have dropped about 10% in the last few months... Purely because of the amount of roadworks on our route, I just can't be bothered any more pushing to try and stay on time when there's 3 or 4 sets of temporary lights where you can lose 2-3 minutes each time.
(24 Nov 2015, 6:23 pm)tyresmoke Company policy dictates that you should wait for all passengers to be seated or securely standing before moving away. Of course when you are running late you will often find drivers pulling away before this, putting themselves at (admittedly low) risk of action being taken should anything happen. That's why some drivers will stick to the rules, especially if they are on a disciplinary tight rope should we say.That's absolutely fine. The problem isn't with drivers who run late by:
Late running occurs every day on every service, however there is clearly a divide between certain depots that is obvious when you see statistics across various services. Anything above 5 minutes late is counted as late on our statistics and counts against a drivers punctuality stats. I myself have dropped about 10% in the last few months... Purely because of the amount of roadworks on our route, I just can't be bothered any more pushing to try and stay on time when there's 3 or 4 sets of temporary lights where you can lose 2-3 minutes each time.
Not sticking to the timetable is not just achieved by running late, but also running early... Most days when I get a Darlington depot operated Sapphire 7 the drivers nearly always wait at timing points and the service keeps pretty much on-time, yet sometimes if I get a Belmont Sapphire 7 run this doesn't happen, can't tell you how many times I have witnessed Belmont's 7's not waiting at timing points with me even missing 7's on occasions due to early running, the timing points on their runs seem to be Darlington Town Centre, Newton Aycliffe Town Centre, Ferryhill Market Place and Durham Bus Station, no word of a lie there has been occasions where I've boarded a Belmont 7 in Newton Aycliffe heading in the direction of Durham and on some quiet morning journeys the bus has arrived in Ferryhill in the region of 10 MINUTES EARLY! owing to little passengers boarding/alighting but mainly down to not waiting time at Woodham Stag Lane and Chilton Wheatsheaf.
I missed an evening X12 a few months back which left Stockton several minutes early towars M'bro. An hourly service and the only bus I could use with my Arriva ticket.
PB0002032/11 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Blyth and Newcastle given service number X7 effective from 24-Jan-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002032/252 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Blyth and Newcastle given service number X8 effective from 24-Jan-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
Appeared on VOSA today:
PB0002717/16 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Durham and New Brancepeth given service number 48 effective from 31-Jan-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
The trial period of service 1 extending to Cresswell on Sundays has been extended to May 2016.
PB0002032/467 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Newcastle and Blyth given service number X30 effective from 24-Jan-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
New timetables for Durham services 46 and 48 from January 31st 2016.
46: http://www.cartogold.co.uk/durham/pdf/Fo...ANE_46.pdf
48: http://www.cartogold.co.uk/durham/pdf/Fo...ANE_48.pdf
(06 Dec 2015, 12:40 pm)Jimmi New timetables for Durham services 46 and 48 from January 31st 2016.
46: http://www.cartogold.co.uk/durham/pdf/Fo...ANE_46.pdf
48: http://www.cartogold.co.uk/durham/pdf/Fo...ANE_48.pdf
(06 Dec 2015, 12:40 pm)Jimmi New timetables for Durham services 46 and 48 from January 31st 2016.
46: http://www.cartogold.co.uk/durham/pdf/Fo...ANE_46.pdf
48: http://www.cartogold.co.uk/durham/pdf/Fo...ANE_48.pdf
(06 Dec 2015, 1:00 pm)tyresmoke Looks like mainly minor timing changes to morning and evening journeys.
Points worth noting are the 1450 46 from Durham will now extend to Tow Law, 1820 Durham-Crook extended to Low Mown Meadows
New Sunday 0815 Durham-Crook and 0846 return, an hour earlier than now.
48 again is mostly timing changes especially at peak times with departures more spread out to give more running time. The current 1802 from Durham is withdrawn.
(06 Dec 2015, 1:00 pm)tyresmoke Looks like mainly minor timing changes to morning and evening journeys.
Points worth noting are the 1450 46 from Durham will now extend to Tow Law, 1820 Durham-Crook extended to Low Mown Meadows
New Sunday 0815 Durham-Crook and 0846 return, an hour earlier than now.
48 again is mostly timing changes especially at peak times with departures more spread out to give more running time. The current 1802 from Durham is withdrawn.
(06 Dec 2015, 1:24 pm)citaro5284 I thought it was only GNE who withdrew services.........or that is what certain people would like to make you think.
(06 Dec 2015, 1:24 pm)citaro5284 I thought it was only GNE who withdrew services.........or that is what certain people would like to make you think.
(06 Dec 2015, 2:39 pm)palatine3833 Nothing like a bit of back biting eh?
What service is being withdrawn may I ask? As far as I can see that is a TRIP being withdrawn, whereas SERVICE 48 is continuing to operate?
I mean really, a person of your position should know his terminology better?
(06 Dec 2015, 2:39 pm)palatine3833 Nothing like a bit of back biting eh?
What service is being withdrawn may I ask? As far as I can see that is a TRIP being withdrawn, whereas SERVICE 48 is continuing to operate?
I mean really, a person of your position should know his terminology better?
(06 Dec 2015, 2:39 pm)palatine3833 Nothing like a bit of back biting eh?
What service is being withdrawn may I ask? As far as I can see that is a TRIP being withdrawn, whereas SERVICE 48 is continuing to operate?
I mean really, a person of your position should know his terminology better?
(06 Dec 2015, 2:39 pm)palatine3833 Nothing like a bit of back biting eh?
What service is being withdrawn may I ask? As far as I can see that is a TRIP being withdrawn, whereas SERVICE 48 is continuing to operate?
I mean really, a person of your position should know his terminology better?
Pedantic. Arriva have extended several 46 journeys, expanding upon the recent extension of the 46 to Tow Law, plus an extra, earlier Sunday morning journey to/from Crook. But they've withdrawn one one 48 trip!!! I'm never an Arriva fan, but I would say on balance pretty positive changes.
(07 Dec 2015, 12:44 am)Greg in Weardale Pedantic. Arriva have extended several 46 journeys, expanding upon the recent extension of the 46 to Tow Law, plus an extra, earlier Sunday morning journey to/from Crook. But they've withdrawn one one 48 trip!!! I'm never an Arriva fan, but I would say on balance pretty positive changes.
(07 Dec 2015, 12:44 am)Greg in Weardale Pedantic. Arriva have extended several 46 journeys, expanding upon the recent extension of the 46 to Tow Law, plus an extra, earlier Sunday morning journey to/from Crook. But they've withdrawn one one 48 trip!!! I'm never an Arriva fan, but I would say on balance pretty positive changes.
Yes, a balanced view of GNE service changes would be welcome, without staff trying to make out negative alterations are in fact positive and everything Arriva does is bad (as above). Just one example: attempting to justify the cancellation of (advertised) through services between Lanchester and Newcastle; I could go on with a long list, but won't bore you (and X3 would have to be at the top). Here we have Arriva improvements being criticised whereas GNE cuts are often praised.
