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V514DFT

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10 Mar 2023, 3:42 pm #2,961

53 looks to have a mistake on it, it says 'change of evening operator' on the nexus website, im thinking its probably for the 51 or 54

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Tez

V514DFT

10 Mar 2023, 3:42 pm #2,961

53 looks to have a mistake on it, it says 'change of evening operator' on the nexus website, im thinking its probably for the 51 or 54

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Tez

Thomas12

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10 Mar 2023, 4:29 pm #2,962

https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...-2nd-april
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...27th-march
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...-2nd-april

Changes throughout the region coming up

Thomas12

10 Mar 2023, 4:29 pm #2,962

Aaron21

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10 Mar 2023, 4:48 pm #2,963

(10 Mar 2023, 4:29 pm)Thomas12 https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...-2nd-april
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...27th-march
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...-2nd-april

Changes throughout the region coming up

I'm like really confused about that 306

We have withdrawn the 23:45 306 from Newcastle to Tynemouth & been replaced by the 309 at 23:45. The 309 follows it as far as battle Hill then they split. What's that 309 gonna do serve the 306 route

Aaron21

10 Mar 2023, 4:48 pm #2,963

(10 Mar 2023, 4:29 pm)Thomas12 https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...-2nd-april
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...27th-march
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...-2nd-april

Changes throughout the region coming up

Thomas12

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10 Mar 2023, 5:07 pm #2,964

(10 Mar 2023, 4:48 pm)Aaron21 I'm like really confused about that 306

We have withdrawn the 23:45 306 from Newcastle to Tynemouth & been replaced by the 309 at 23:45. The 309 follows it as far as battle Hill then they split. What's that 309 gonna do serve the 306 route

No it won't
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/services/G...on=inbound

Thomas12

10 Mar 2023, 5:07 pm #2,964

(10 Mar 2023, 4:48 pm)Aaron21 I'm like really confused about that 306

We have withdrawn the 23:45 306 from Newcastle to Tynemouth & been replaced by the 309 at 23:45. The 309 follows it as far as battle Hill then they split. What's that 309 gonna do serve the 306 route

No it won't
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/services/G...on=inbound

cbma06

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10 Mar 2023, 7:06 pm #2,965

I wonder which company will be doing new service 59 under contract with DCC between Hartlepool and Kelloe/Coxhoe with ticket acceptance for onward travel to Durham with Arriva service 58, as Arriva says that there won’t be doing service 59, I wonder if stagecoach Hartlepool have picked up this secured work?

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cbma06

10 Mar 2023, 7:06 pm #2,965

L469 YVK

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10 Mar 2023, 9:45 pm #2,966

(10 Mar 2023, 4:48 pm)Aaron21 I'm like really confused about that 306

We have withdrawn the 23:45 306 from Newcastle to Tynemouth & been replaced by the 309 at 23:45. The 309 follows it as far as battle Hill then they split. What's that 309 gonna do serve the 306 route

As far as Battle Hill yes.

However, if the following journeys were re-timed, a reasonably late service could be maintained to Billy Mill

Ex Newcastle:
309 - 21:30 - change to 21:35
306 - 21:45 - change to 21:50
307 - 22:00 - change to 22:05
308 - 22:15 - change to 22:20
309 - 22:30 - change to 22:35
306 - 22:45 - change to 22:50
307 - 23:00 - change to 23:10
308 - 23:15 - change to 23:25
309 - 23:45 - unchanged

Ex North Shields:
307 - 23:45 - remains as is, but worked from Service 1 ex MetroCentre 22:08 arriving into North Shields at 23:41 before commencing 307 to Hadrian Park.

Ex-Blyth:
308 - 23:14 - change to 23:19

L469 YVK

10 Mar 2023, 9:45 pm #2,966

(10 Mar 2023, 4:48 pm)Aaron21 I'm like really confused about that 306

We have withdrawn the 23:45 306 from Newcastle to Tynemouth & been replaced by the 309 at 23:45. The 309 follows it as far as battle Hill then they split. What's that 309 gonna do serve the 306 route

peter

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13 Mar 2023, 11:26 am #2,967

The 59, replacing service 57A between Hartlepool and Kelloe/Coxhoe, has been awarded to GCT on a 3-month emergency contract.

peter

13 Mar 2023, 11:26 am #2,967

The 59, replacing service 57A between Hartlepool and Kelloe/Coxhoe, has been awarded to GCT on a 3-month emergency contract.

Economic505

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13 Mar 2023, 1:55 pm #2,968

(13 Mar 2023, 11:26 am)peter The 59, replacing service 57A between Hartlepool and Kelloe/Coxhoe, has been awarded to GCT on a 3-month emergency contract.

Jesus, DCC must be desperate.

Economic505

13 Mar 2023, 1:55 pm #2,968

(13 Mar 2023, 11:26 am)peter The 59, replacing service 57A between Hartlepool and Kelloe/Coxhoe, has been awarded to GCT on a 3-month emergency contract.

Jesus, DCC must be desperate.

cbma06

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13 Mar 2023, 2:06 pm #2,969

(13 Mar 2023, 1:55 pm)Economic505 Jesus, DCC must be desperate.

Probably more because GCT put the lowest bid in to run the contract and not DCC being desperate

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cbma06

13 Mar 2023, 2:06 pm #2,969

(13 Mar 2023, 1:55 pm)Economic505 Jesus, DCC must be desperate.

Probably more because GCT put the lowest bid in to run the contract and not DCC being desperate

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Jimmi

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13 Mar 2023, 4:30 pm #2,970

(13 Mar 2023, 2:06 pm)cbma06 Probably more because GCT put the lowest bid in to run the contract and not DCC being desperate

Well let's face it, there's not exactly a lot of choice when it comes to operators that would be interested in running this service especially for only 3 months, literally everyone who normally goes for service work is miles away from Kelloe & Hartlepool and Arriva have ruled themselves out of the running so could well have been about the only company willing to take it on, they're helped by the loss of Nexus contracts around the same time freeing up a few buses & drivers.

It's not the first time GCT has signed up to provide an interim contract for DCC, last year they stepped in to operate the 104 in the Bishop Auckland area after Rural Link chucked the contact.

A bit more info on the arrangements, copied from Trimdon Times Facebook page:

Information regarding local bus services, many thanks to Cllr. Lucy Hovvels for the info:

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Dear Councillor,

You may be aware that there are changes propose to Arriva bus services in your division from 2nd April and the purpose of this email is to provide the background and information on the steps being taken to address issues raised.

Bus services in general are under great pressure at present due to rising costs, passenger numbers that are reduced from pre-pandemic levels, a shortage of drivers and uncertainty over Government’s covid recovery funding to the industry.

Services 57 and 57a between Durham and Hartlepool which although supported financially to a considerable extent by the Council are essentially operated commercially by Arriva, however, in the face of the uncertainty over Government Bus Recovery Grant funding and the seemingly intractable driver shortage Arriva have felt compelled to make some economies on this pair of routes.

Officers in IPT were not satisfied with the service that Arriva advised us they were planning to retrench to in the face of these challenges so we have in recent weeks been negotiating a more satisfactory arrangement which we will fund in its entirety.

We do have to have an eye to costs and the available funds, however, so the service we are proposing is a ‘new’ hourly service 58 Mon-Sun in place of the 57 Durham-Coxhoe-Kelloe-Quarrington Hill-Cassop-Thornley-Wheatley Hill-Wingate-Hartlepool and a new service 59 Mon-Sat every two hours between Kelloe and Hartlepool via Trimdon in place of that part of the 57A. Unfortunately to make the bus cycles work it will not be possible to serve Morley Crescent or Woodland Crescent in Kelloe so they will no longer have a bus service.

Arriva will operate the service 58 under a deminimis negotiation for 12 months and it is likely (but yet to be confirmed) that Gateshead Central will operate the 59 as am emergency contract for 3 months to allow for the funding situation to evolve. Details are to be finalised but ticket acceptance will be in place so that passengers interchanging between services will not be penalised.

Full timetables will be released shortly as soon as details are confirmed.

Stuart D Woods
Passenger Transport Services & Network Planning Team Leader
Integrated Passenger Transport
Regeneration & Local Services
Durham County Council
County Hall

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Jimmi

13 Mar 2023, 4:30 pm #2,970

(13 Mar 2023, 2:06 pm)cbma06 Probably more because GCT put the lowest bid in to run the contract and not DCC being desperate

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Aaron21

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13 Mar 2023, 4:39 pm #2,971

How the hell are gct providing more service work when they have won 3 more service in March

Aaron21

13 Mar 2023, 4:39 pm #2,971

How the hell are gct providing more service work when they have won 3 more service in March

Malarkey

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13 Mar 2023, 9:20 pm #2,972

(13 Mar 2023, 4:39 pm)PAaron21 How the hell are gct providing more service work when they have won 3 more service in March

I'd imagine with the work they have drivers will have various licences enabling flexibility between Taxi's and Buses to match business demands, other than the Taxi Contract at Tesco's Trinity Square you don't really see many of there Taxis about in comparison to say Deans where you see them here there and everywhere across Gateshead.

Malarkey

13 Mar 2023, 9:20 pm #2,972

(13 Mar 2023, 4:39 pm)PAaron21 How the hell are gct providing more service work when they have won 3 more service in March

MurdnunoC

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14 Mar 2023, 5:00 pm #2,973

Not only do GCT have the youngest fleet of in the North East, but they now perhaps cover the most distance from one depot ranging from Ashington to Hartlepool. Not bad for a small operator.

MurdnunoC

14 Mar 2023, 5:00 pm #2,973

Not only do GCT have the youngest fleet of in the North East, but they now perhaps cover the most distance from one depot ranging from Ashington to Hartlepool. Not bad for a small operator.

streetdeckfan

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14 Mar 2023, 5:07 pm #2,974

(14 Mar 2023, 5:00 pm)MurdnunoC Not only do GCT have the youngest fleet of in the North East, but they now perhaps cover the most distance from one depot ranging from Ashington to Hartlepool. Not bad for a small operator.

At what point do they stop being a 'small' operator?

streetdeckfan

14 Mar 2023, 5:07 pm #2,974

(14 Mar 2023, 5:00 pm)MurdnunoC Not only do GCT have the youngest fleet of in the North East, but they now perhaps cover the most distance from one depot ranging from Ashington to Hartlepool. Not bad for a small operator.

At what point do they stop being a 'small' operator?

MurdnunoC

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14 Mar 2023, 5:10 pm #2,975

(14 Mar 2023, 5:07 pm)streetdeckfan At what point do they stop being a 'small' operator?

Good question. Despite all the negativity surrounding their operations, some on here need to accept that they're here to stay and are, arguably, the dominant operator in some areas.

MurdnunoC

14 Mar 2023, 5:10 pm #2,975

(14 Mar 2023, 5:07 pm)streetdeckfan At what point do they stop being a 'small' operator?

Good question. Despite all the negativity surrounding their operations, some on here need to accept that they're here to stay and are, arguably, the dominant operator in some areas.

NEbushopper

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15 Mar 2023, 7:39 am #2,976

(14 Mar 2023, 5:00 pm)MurdnunoC Not only do GCT have the youngest fleet of in the North East, but they now perhaps cover the most distance from one depot ranging from Ashington to Hartlepool. Not bad for a small operator.

Where did you get Ashington from? I think the new 19 contract only has it going as far as Northumberland Park Metro.

NEbushopper

15 Mar 2023, 7:39 am #2,976

(14 Mar 2023, 5:00 pm)MurdnunoC Not only do GCT have the youngest fleet of in the North East, but they now perhaps cover the most distance from one depot ranging from Ashington to Hartlepool. Not bad for a small operator.

Where did you get Ashington from? I think the new 19 contract only has it going as far as Northumberland Park Metro.

Storx

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15 Mar 2023, 9:17 am #2,977

(15 Mar 2023, 7:39 am)NEbushopper Where did you get Ashington from? I think the new 19 contract only has it going as far as Northumberland Park Metro.

It's the same as now, 1 BPH Cramlington to North Shields, 1 BPH N'land Park to North Shields, one in the morning and one in the evening extended to Ashington.

https://www.nexus.org.uk/sites/default/f...260323.pdf

Storx

15 Mar 2023, 9:17 am #2,977

(15 Mar 2023, 7:39 am)NEbushopper Where did you get Ashington from? I think the new 19 contract only has it going as far as Northumberland Park Metro.

cbma06

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19 Mar 2023, 11:06 am #2,978

From Trimdon times Facebook page:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_f...4620946639

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(19 Mar 2023, 11:06 am)cbma06 From Trimdon times Facebook page:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_f...4620946639

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Edited 19 Mar 2023, 11:09 am by cbma06.

cbma06

19 Mar 2023, 11:06 am #2,978

From Trimdon times Facebook page:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_f...4620946639

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(19 Mar 2023, 11:06 am)cbma06 From Trimdon times Facebook page:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_f...4620946639

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L469 YVK

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19 Mar 2023, 12:01 pm #2,979

Just realised for Arriva's / Nexus' changes:

- 54 leaves Cobalt during the evening at xx:29 and arrives into Whitley Bay for xx:41

- Arriva 308 departs Whitley Bay at xx:50

So if Arriva tickets can be used on the Nexus secured service provided by Stagecoach, it's a win / win for passengers. Plus Arriva tickets can also be used on the 309 too heading from Blyth to Cobalt if passengers pre-pay on the app or buy an Arriva ticket on another Arriva service.

L469 YVK

19 Mar 2023, 12:01 pm #2,979

RobinHood

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19 Mar 2023, 10:00 pm #2,980

(19 Mar 2023, 11:06 am)cbma06 From Trimdon times Facebook page:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_f...4620946639

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Freedom of information request on 'Whatdotheyknow' suggests that DCC do pay Arriva a significant amount of money towards Service 57/57A.

Arriva say the contract has ended, yet this local cllr is suggesting Arriva decision? Sounds like both blaming each other.

RobinHood

19 Mar 2023, 10:00 pm #2,980

(19 Mar 2023, 11:06 am)cbma06 From Trimdon times Facebook page:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_f...4620946639

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