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RobinHood

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15 Sep 2023, 8:29 pm #3,381

(15 Sep 2023, 7:59 pm)Bazza I wouldn’t be surprised if there is more to come

The X16 is there, but you need to search for NEW rather than VARIATION

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...ls/616045/

RobinHood

15 Sep 2023, 8:29 pm #3,381

(15 Sep 2023, 7:59 pm)Bazza I wouldn’t be surprised if there is more to come

The X16 is there, but you need to search for NEW rather than VARIATION

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...ls/616045/

Busu284

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15 Sep 2023, 8:35 pm #3,382

(15 Sep 2023, 8:29 pm)RobinHood The X16 is there, but you need to search for NEW rather than VARIATION

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...ls/616045/

Newcastle to Morpeth only. Thought it was Kirkly Hall or whatever its called

Busu284

15 Sep 2023, 8:35 pm #3,382

(15 Sep 2023, 8:29 pm)RobinHood The X16 is there, but you need to search for NEW rather than VARIATION

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...ls/616045/

Newcastle to Morpeth only. Thought it was Kirkly Hall or whatever its called

Bazza

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15 Sep 2023, 8:41 pm #3,383

(15 Sep 2023, 8:35 pm)Busu284 Newcastle to Morpeth only. Thought it was Kirkly Hall or whatever its called

The 2 now does Kirkhill

Bazza

15 Sep 2023, 8:41 pm #3,383

(15 Sep 2023, 8:35 pm)Busu284 Newcastle to Morpeth only. Thought it was Kirkly Hall or whatever its called

The 2 now does Kirkhill

peter

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23 Sep 2023, 9:23 am #3,384

(15 Sep 2023, 5:56 pm)Michael 29th October:

PB0002717/201
Variation ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD D2 (2A, 2) Red Hall Branksome

Changes to the 2/2A relating to changes in Amazon shift patterns: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...october-23

peter

23 Sep 2023, 9:23 am #3,384

(15 Sep 2023, 5:56 pm)Michael 29th October:

PB0002717/201
Variation ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD D2 (2A, 2) Red Hall Branksome

Changes to the 2/2A relating to changes in Amazon shift patterns: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...october-23

mb134

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24 Sep 2023, 4:35 pm #3,385

Looking at Traveline:

43s are extended to Morpeth every 30 mins (up from hourly) from the October changes. Hourly Sunday service too, which continues into the evening.

57A extension also confirmed, and is running via Bedlington Station and Stakeford between Cramlington and Ashington.

X16 confirmed to be hourly Morpeth to Newcastle.

X20 timetable changes, morning journeys leaving earlier than currently and afternoon ones later.

mb134

24 Sep 2023, 4:35 pm #3,385

Busu284

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24 Sep 2023, 4:51 pm #3,386

(24 Sep 2023, 4:35 pm)mb134 Looking at Traveline:

43s are extended to Morpeth every 30 mins (up from hourly) from the October changes. Hourly Sunday service too, which continues into the evening.

57A extension also confirmed, and is running via Bedlington Station and Stakeford between Cramlington and Ashington.

X16 confirmed to be hourly Morpeth to Newcastle.

X20 timetable changes, morning journeys leaving earlier than currently and afternoon ones later.

I wonder if this could see the 43 now be a standalone route instead of interwork with the 44/45. There are many problems with this due to if the 43 arrives on time to Newcastle. That 44 or 45 going to Dinnington then back will be late causing the 43 to then in term be late as well. I wonder if the 43 will go standalone and have the 44/45 interwork with the 47 to make it an easier timetable as the 47 is every 30 and the 44/45 are every 30 as well

Busu284

24 Sep 2023, 4:51 pm #3,386

(24 Sep 2023, 4:35 pm)mb134 Looking at Traveline:

43s are extended to Morpeth every 30 mins (up from hourly) from the October changes. Hourly Sunday service too, which continues into the evening.

57A extension also confirmed, and is running via Bedlington Station and Stakeford between Cramlington and Ashington.

X16 confirmed to be hourly Morpeth to Newcastle.

X20 timetable changes, morning journeys leaving earlier than currently and afternoon ones later.

mb134

4,162

24 Sep 2023, 5:16 pm #3,387

(24 Sep 2023, 4:51 pm)Busu284 I wonder if this could see the 43 now be a standalone route instead of interwork with the 44/45. There are many problems with this due to if the 43 arrives on time to Newcastle. That 44 or 45 going to Dinnington then back will be late causing the 43 to then in term be late as well. I wonder if the 43 will go standalone and have the 44/45 interwork with the 47 to make it an easier timetable as the 47 is every 30 and the 44/45 are every 30 as well

I don't think so, the 43s interworking with the 44/45/47 will still be needed for breaks at Cramlington for the Blyth operated boards.

mb134

24 Sep 2023, 5:16 pm #3,387

(24 Sep 2023, 4:51 pm)Busu284 I wonder if this could see the 43 now be a standalone route instead of interwork with the 44/45. There are many problems with this due to if the 43 arrives on time to Newcastle. That 44 or 45 going to Dinnington then back will be late causing the 43 to then in term be late as well. I wonder if the 43 will go standalone and have the 44/45 interwork with the 47 to make it an easier timetable as the 47 is every 30 and the 44/45 are every 30 as well

I don't think so, the 43s interworking with the 44/45/47 will still be needed for breaks at Cramlington for the Blyth operated boards.

Busu284

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24 Sep 2023, 5:33 pm #3,388

(24 Sep 2023, 5:16 pm)mb134 I don't think so, the 43s interworking with the 44/45/47 will still be needed for breaks at Cramlington for the Blyth operated boards.

True I just find it strange that a 30 minute timetable to Morpeth while the 43 has trouble keeping up times. They added an extra bus during the evening (ran by Ashington) but it seems to have no affect for the Gosforth area to Cramlington. The 43 will run quite late results in either a 43 or 44 or a 45 being cancelled due to late running

Busu284

24 Sep 2023, 5:33 pm #3,388

(24 Sep 2023, 5:16 pm)mb134 I don't think so, the 43s interworking with the 44/45/47 will still be needed for breaks at Cramlington for the Blyth operated boards.

mb134

4,162

24 Sep 2023, 5:53 pm #3,389

(24 Sep 2023, 5:33 pm)Busu284 True I just find it strange that a 30 minute timetable to Morpeth while the 43 has trouble keeping up times. They added an extra bus during the evening (ran by Ashington) but it seems to have no affect for the Gosforth area to Cramlington. The 43 will run quite late results in either a 43 or 44 or a 45 being cancelled due to late running

I don't quite understand what you mean.

The 43s will have 14 minutes of layover at Morpeth, as they do at the moment. Since the timetable change the 43s seem to be quite robust, with the main issue being on a Saturday which is being fixed in these changes given the frequencies between Newcastle and Cramlington are increasing. Since the last changes where the extra bus was put into the PVR I've not noticed any cancellations of 43-45s due to late running, bar on a Saturday.

The evening extension to Morpeth, as well as the increase during the day and the Sunday, I imagine may be BSIP related. A service between Morpeth and Cramlington on an evening and Sunday has been needed for a while.

mb134

24 Sep 2023, 5:53 pm #3,389

(24 Sep 2023, 5:33 pm)Busu284 True I just find it strange that a 30 minute timetable to Morpeth while the 43 has trouble keeping up times. They added an extra bus during the evening (ran by Ashington) but it seems to have no affect for the Gosforth area to Cramlington. The 43 will run quite late results in either a 43 or 44 or a 45 being cancelled due to late running

Storx

4,638

24 Sep 2023, 6:17 pm #3,390

(24 Sep 2023, 4:35 pm)mb134 Looking at Traveline:

43s are extended to Morpeth every 30 mins (up from hourly) from the October changes. Hourly Sunday service too, which continues into the evening.

57A extension also confirmed, and is running via Bedlington Station and Stakeford between Cramlington and Ashington.

X16 confirmed to be hourly Morpeth to Newcastle.

X20 timetable changes, morning journeys leaving earlier than currently and afternoon ones later.

Bad utilisation of resources that imo.

It would be much better to have it as (all hourly)

19: Ashington to North Shields via Bedlington Station
57: Ashington to Whitley Bay via Choppington
57A: Cramlington to Whitley Bay via Seghill omitting High Pit (run direct from Annitsford).

Means you would have a 30 minutes service from Avenue Head to Cramlington towards Ashington and vice versa since the 19 is already there anyway. Not to mention you'd reopen the Cobalt and North Shields from Bedlington and beyond links. I assume it's now 20/40 towards Ashington under this timetable and give some much needed layover on the 57A with a faster route into Cramlington rather than the 57A and 19 following each other through High Pit like they do currently. Could also potentially renumber one of them so all the numbers are together aswell.

Storx

24 Sep 2023, 6:17 pm #3,390

(24 Sep 2023, 4:35 pm)mb134 Looking at Traveline:

43s are extended to Morpeth every 30 mins (up from hourly) from the October changes. Hourly Sunday service too, which continues into the evening.

57A extension also confirmed, and is running via Bedlington Station and Stakeford between Cramlington and Ashington.

X16 confirmed to be hourly Morpeth to Newcastle.

X20 timetable changes, morning journeys leaving earlier than currently and afternoon ones later.

mb134

4,162

24 Sep 2023, 6:35 pm #3,391

(24 Sep 2023, 6:17 pm)Storx Bad utilisation of resources that imo.

It would be much better to have it as (all hourly)

19: Ashington to North Shields via Bedlington Station
57: Ashington to Whitley Bay via Choppington
57A: Cramlington to Whitley Bay via Seghill omitting High Pit (run direct from Annitsford).

Means you would have a 30 minutes service from Avenue Head to Cramlington towards Ashington and vice versa since the 19 is already there anyway. Not to mention you'd reopen the Cobalt and North Shields from Bedlington and beyond links. I assume it's now 20/40 towards Ashington under this timetable and give some much needed layover on the 57A with a faster route into Cramlington rather than the 57A and 19 following each other through High Pit like they do currently. Could also potentially renumber one of them so all the numbers are together aswell.

I'm not sure on the timing pattern/layover of the 19 on the southern end, but it seems to be timed as 34 minutes between Cramlington and Ashington so you couldn't do there and back in an hour. The 57A is timed as 26 minutes so is easily achievable within 1 hour, with only 1 extra bus, and with a decent chunk of layover.

mb134

24 Sep 2023, 6:35 pm #3,391

(24 Sep 2023, 6:17 pm)Storx Bad utilisation of resources that imo.

It would be much better to have it as (all hourly)

19: Ashington to North Shields via Bedlington Station
57: Ashington to Whitley Bay via Choppington
57A: Cramlington to Whitley Bay via Seghill omitting High Pit (run direct from Annitsford).

Means you would have a 30 minutes service from Avenue Head to Cramlington towards Ashington and vice versa since the 19 is already there anyway. Not to mention you'd reopen the Cobalt and North Shields from Bedlington and beyond links. I assume it's now 20/40 towards Ashington under this timetable and give some much needed layover on the 57A with a faster route into Cramlington rather than the 57A and 19 following each other through High Pit like they do currently. Could also potentially renumber one of them so all the numbers are together aswell.

mb134

4,162

24 Sep 2023, 6:50 pm #3,392

The X14 also looks to have increased to hourly to Thropton (though there is still no 15:00 M-F, due to it doing the 15:45 Longframlington short for scholars), with all boards running throughout the day rather than parking up at various points as they do currently.

mb134

24 Sep 2023, 6:50 pm #3,392

Storx

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24 Sep 2023, 6:54 pm #3,393

(24 Sep 2023, 6:35 pm)mb134 I'm not sure on the timing pattern/layover of the 19 on the southern end, but it seems to be timed as 34 minutes between Cramlington and Ashington so you couldn't do there and back in an hour. The 57A is timed as 26 minutes so is easily achievable within 1 hour, with only 1 extra bus, and with a decent chunk of layover.

Was thinking how the heck is that is doing that in 26 minutes and it seems the 57A is skipping Bedlington completely which seems a bit of a bizarre route..

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.18411...?entry=ttu - Seems to be doing that route.

If they done that route, then it should be easily doable though with the 19. It's 61 / 50 minutes the timing on the 19.

I'm sure the Solo's will enjoy blasting along the Spine Road, give it a few weeks before one goes bang.

Storx

24 Sep 2023, 6:54 pm #3,393

(24 Sep 2023, 6:35 pm)mb134 I'm not sure on the timing pattern/layover of the 19 on the southern end, but it seems to be timed as 34 minutes between Cramlington and Ashington so you couldn't do there and back in an hour. The 57A is timed as 26 minutes so is easily achievable within 1 hour, with only 1 extra bus, and with a decent chunk of layover.

mb134

4,162

24 Sep 2023, 7:02 pm #3,394

(24 Sep 2023, 6:54 pm)Storx Was thinking how the heck is that is doing that in 26 minutes and it seems the 57A is skipping Bedlington completely which seems a bit of a bizarre route..

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.18411...?entry=ttu - Seems to be doing that route.

If they done that route, then it should be easily doable though with the 19. It's 61 / 50 minutes the timing on the 19.

I'm sure the Solo's will enjoy blasting along the Spine Road, give it a few weeks before one goes bang.

I imagine that's the chosen route so that it restores the Cramlington link to Bedlington Station and Stakeford in as quick a journey time as possible, and it doesn't need to serve Bedlington since that's now served by an enhanced 43.

Ticketing wise, it probably makes more sense to give the 57A extension to Arriva given you can time it nicely into the current pattern and customers can use the same weekly/monthly passes they'd use on the rest of the services in the area?

mb134

24 Sep 2023, 7:02 pm #3,394

(24 Sep 2023, 6:54 pm)Storx Was thinking how the heck is that is doing that in 26 minutes and it seems the 57A is skipping Bedlington completely which seems a bit of a bizarre route..

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.18411...?entry=ttu - Seems to be doing that route.

If they done that route, then it should be easily doable though with the 19. It's 61 / 50 minutes the timing on the 19.

I'm sure the Solo's will enjoy blasting along the Spine Road, give it a few weeks before one goes bang.

Storx

4,638

24 Sep 2023, 7:08 pm #3,395

(24 Sep 2023, 7:02 pm)mb134 I imagine that's the chosen route so that it restores the Cramlington link to Bedlington Station and Stakeford in as quick a journey time as possible, and it doesn't need to serve Bedlington since that's now served by an enhanced 43.

Ticketing wise, it probably makes more sense to give the 57A extension to Arriva given you can time it nicely into the current pattern and customers can use the same weekly/monthly passes they'd use on the rest of the services in the area?

Aye that's true, seems an odd one mind, thought it would've just been the 57 every 30 minutes tbh. Mind it does seem very tight. Unless I'm riding a motorbike, I wouldn't like to have 8 minutes to get from Bedlington Station to Shankhouse at rush hour. You'd struggle to get from the A189 to Laverick Hall on the A192, never mind the rest of it.

Yeah that's true, it's a shame that Arriva - ignoring operational issues etc, don't have the 19 for that exact reason. It's like the odd child in an area dominated by them currently. Obviously we should have integrated travel ignoring operator though for those tickets - let's be honest.

Mind I'm surprised they haven't looked at adding 1 bus to the two short 43's an extending it through to East Hartford and binning off the pointless 58. I don't think I've ever seen a single person on it between Cramlington and Seaton Sluice and it's covered by other services the rest of the route nowadays anyway.

Storx

24 Sep 2023, 7:08 pm #3,395

(24 Sep 2023, 7:02 pm)mb134 I imagine that's the chosen route so that it restores the Cramlington link to Bedlington Station and Stakeford in as quick a journey time as possible, and it doesn't need to serve Bedlington since that's now served by an enhanced 43.

Ticketing wise, it probably makes more sense to give the 57A extension to Arriva given you can time it nicely into the current pattern and customers can use the same weekly/monthly passes they'd use on the rest of the services in the area?

Kuyoyo

6,856

25 Sep 2023, 9:50 am #3,396

PB0002717/389 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby to Scarborough
Service number: X93
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/388 Registered
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Route: Guisborough to Whitby
Service number: 2X93 (X93)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

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Route: Middlesbrough to Guisborough
Service number: X93
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

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Route: Whitby to Loftus
Service number: X4 (X4A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/309 Registered
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Route: Middlesbrough to Easington
Service number: X4 (X4A)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

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ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Lingdale/New Marske
Service number: X3 (X2, X3A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/303 Registered
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Route: Middlesbrough to Grangetown
Service number: 64 (64A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Nov 2023

Kuyoyo

25 Sep 2023, 9:50 am #3,396

Jimmi

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25 Sep 2023, 11:02 pm #3,397

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25 Sep 2023, 11:02 pm #3,397

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peter

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28 Sep 2023, 9:53 pm #3,398

(25 Sep 2023, 9:50 am)Kuyoyo PB0002717/389 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby to Scarborough
Service number: X93
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/388 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Guisborough to Whitby
Service number: 2X93 (X93)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/387 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Guisborough
Service number: X93
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/308 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby to Loftus
Service number: X4 (X4A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/309 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Easington
Service number: X4 (X4A)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/354 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Lingdale/New Marske
Service number: X3 (X2, X3A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/303 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Grangetown
Service number: 64 (64A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Nov 2023

Now confirmed by Arriva: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...hitby-area

peter

28 Sep 2023, 9:53 pm #3,398

(25 Sep 2023, 9:50 am)Kuyoyo PB0002717/389 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby to Scarborough
Service number: X93
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/388 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Guisborough to Whitby
Service number: 2X93 (X93)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/387 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Guisborough
Service number: X93
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/308 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby to Loftus
Service number: X4 (X4A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/309 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Easington
Service number: X4 (X4A)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/354 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Lingdale/New Marske
Service number: X3 (X2, X3A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 06 Nov 2023

PB0002717/303 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Grangetown
Service number: 64 (64A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 05 Nov 2023

Now confirmed by Arriva: https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...hitby-area

Aaron21

792

11 Oct 2023, 12:37 pm #3,399

X16 route map & 57A route map now available on bustimes.org

57A map is something wow and the X16 is taking a different way to the X14/5/8

Aaron21

11 Oct 2023, 12:37 pm #3,399

X16 route map & 57A route map now available on bustimes.org

57A map is something wow and the X16 is taking a different way to the X14/5/8

Jimmi

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11 Oct 2023, 12:43 pm #3,400

(11 Oct 2023, 12:37 pm)Aaron21 X16 route map & 57A route map now available on bustimes.org

57A map is something wow and the X16 is taking a different way to the X14/5/8

X16 is taking the same route as X14/X15/X18 between Newcastle & Morpeth Bus Station, as before.

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Jimmi

11 Oct 2023, 12:43 pm #3,400

(11 Oct 2023, 12:37 pm)Aaron21 X16 route map & 57A route map now available on bustimes.org

57A map is something wow and the X16 is taking a different way to the X14/5/8

X16 is taking the same route as X14/X15/X18 between Newcastle & Morpeth Bus Station, as before.

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