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Cock Robin



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07 Feb 2015, 12:57 pm #481
(06 Feb 2015, 9:16 pm)tyresmoke Too much wasted resource to operate what is effectively a dupe of the 27A. 27A every 10 mins would be far better received.

More cuts in orther words! Hardly a dup when they go different routes!
Cock Robin
07 Feb 2015, 12:57 pm #481

(06 Feb 2015, 9:16 pm)tyresmoke Too much wasted resource to operate what is effectively a dupe of the 27A. 27A every 10 mins would be far better received.

More cuts in orther words! Hardly a dup when they go different routes!

RobinHood



642
07 Feb 2015, 1:55 pm #482
(07 Feb 2015, 12:57 pm)Cock Robin More cuts in orther words! Hardly a dup when they go different routes!

By the looks of it, the new options are at worst the same amount of buses as now, maybe even one more. Hardly cuts...
RobinHood
07 Feb 2015, 1:55 pm #482

(07 Feb 2015, 12:57 pm)Cock Robin More cuts in orther words! Hardly a dup when they go different routes!

By the looks of it, the new options are at worst the same amount of buses as now, maybe even one more. Hardly cuts...

tyresmoke



5,323
07 Feb 2015, 10:17 pm #483
(07 Feb 2015, 12:57 pm)Cock Robin More cuts in orther words! Hardly a dup when they go different routes!

The only bit they serve differently is Cranmore Road (which would potentially be covered by 5/5A) and the 2 stops on College Road (which nobody ever uses) - meanwhile the 27A struggled with the loadings. I'd be interested to see how many people switch their shopping from Morrisons to Asda if we linked Netherfields with Asda with the 8/9!

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tyresmoke
07 Feb 2015, 10:17 pm #483

(07 Feb 2015, 12:57 pm)Cock Robin More cuts in orther words! Hardly a dup when they go different routes!

The only bit they serve differently is Cranmore Road (which would potentially be covered by 5/5A) and the 2 stops on College Road (which nobody ever uses) - meanwhile the 27A struggled with the loadings. I'd be interested to see how many people switch their shopping from Morrisons to Asda if we linked Netherfields with Asda with the 8/9!


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Jimmi



10,977
10 Feb 2015, 5:52 pm #484
On VOSA today.

PB0002032/369 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Battle Hill and Regent Centre given service number 3 effective from 06-Apr-2015.


PB0002032/445 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Regent Centre and Quorum Business Park given service number 554 effective from 06-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.


PB0002032/476 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Battle Hill and Regent Centre given service number 553 effective from 06-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
Jimmi
10 Feb 2015, 5:52 pm #484

On VOSA today.

PB0002032/369 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Battle Hill and Regent Centre given service number 3 effective from 06-Apr-2015.


PB0002032/445 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Regent Centre and Quorum Business Park given service number 554 effective from 06-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.


PB0002032/476 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Battle Hill and Regent Centre given service number 553 effective from 06-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

Tom



6,138
10 Feb 2015, 5:55 pm #485
(10 Feb 2015, 5:52 pm)Jimmi On VOSA today.

PB0002032/369 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Battle Hill and Regent Centre given service number 3 effective from 06-Apr-2015.



PB0002032/445 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Regent Centre and Quorum Business Park given service number 554 effective from 06-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.


PB0002032/476 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Battle Hill and Regent Centre given service number 553 effective from 06-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

I'm gathering another operator is taking this over?

EDIT: Doesn't matter, I didn't read it properly. I've always said they should combine the 3 and 553 together, so I am happy to see this happening Smile
Edited 10 Feb 2015, 5:57 pm by Tom.
Tom
10 Feb 2015, 5:55 pm #485

(10 Feb 2015, 5:52 pm)Jimmi On VOSA today.

PB0002032/369 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Battle Hill and Regent Centre given service number 3 effective from 06-Apr-2015.



PB0002032/445 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Regent Centre and Quorum Business Park given service number 554 effective from 06-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.


PB0002032/476 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Battle Hill and Regent Centre given service number 553 effective from 06-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

I'm gathering another operator is taking this over?

EDIT: Doesn't matter, I didn't read it properly. I've always said they should combine the 3 and 553 together, so I am happy to see this happening Smile

10 Feb 2015, 6:30 pm #486
(10 Feb 2015, 5:55 pm)Tom I'm gathering another operator is taking this over?

EDIT: Doesn't matter, I didn't read it properly. I've always said they should combine the 3 and 553 together, so I am happy to see this happening Smile

I never knew there was a 3 (unless that's Nexusbus?). Something is making me say that the 3 once went to Blyth? (Only because of 1 & 2, makes me think there was a 3 to Blyth)
omnicity4659
10 Feb 2015, 6:30 pm #486

(10 Feb 2015, 5:55 pm)Tom I'm gathering another operator is taking this over?

EDIT: Doesn't matter, I didn't read it properly. I've always said they should combine the 3 and 553 together, so I am happy to see this happening Smile

I never knew there was a 3 (unless that's Nexusbus?). Something is making me say that the 3 once went to Blyth? (Only because of 1 & 2, makes me think there was a 3 to Blyth)

Tom



6,138
10 Feb 2015, 6:31 pm #487
(10 Feb 2015, 6:30 pm)Tommy_1581 I never knew there was a 3 (unless that's Nexusbus?). Something is making me say that the 3 once went to Blyth? (Only because of 1 & 2, makes me think there was a 3 to Blyth)

Yes it is. 
Tom
10 Feb 2015, 6:31 pm #487

(10 Feb 2015, 6:30 pm)Tommy_1581 I never knew there was a 3 (unless that's Nexusbus?). Something is making me say that the 3 once went to Blyth? (Only because of 1 & 2, makes me think there was a 3 to Blyth)

Yes it is. 

Michael



19,175
20 Feb 2015, 11:12 am #488
PB0002032/364 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Four Lane Ends and Walker given service number 18/18A effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0002717/54 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Darlington and Barnard Castle given service number X75/X76 effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0002717/238 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Durham and Newcastle given service number X12 effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
20 Feb 2015, 11:12 am #488

PB0002032/364 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Four Lane Ends and Walker given service number 18/18A effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0002717/54 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Darlington and Barnard Castle given service number X75/X76 effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0002717/238 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Durham and Newcastle given service number X12 effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Jimmi



10,977
20 Feb 2015, 11:42 am #489
(20 Feb 2015, 11:12 am)Michael PB0002717/54 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Darlington and Barnard Castle given service number X75/X76 effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.



PB0002717/238 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Durham and Newcastle given service number X12 effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

Interesting looking registrations:

75/76 (X75/X76?) will probably be going back to regular routes soon as the landslip works at Calbury should be finished soon. Also heard rumours for a while that the 75/76 were going to become MAX routes and it's looking a bit more likely now. Wonder if the routes will change anymore?

Wonder if Arriva are dropping the X2 number and running it as the X12 through to Newcastle based on this registration? Or could it just be how it's been registered on VOSA?
Jimmi
20 Feb 2015, 11:42 am #489

(20 Feb 2015, 11:12 am)Michael PB0002717/54 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Darlington and Barnard Castle given service number X75/X76 effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.



PB0002717/238 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP

Variation Accepted: Operating between Durham and Newcastle given service number X12 effective from 19-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

Interesting looking registrations:

75/76 (X75/X76?) will probably be going back to regular routes soon as the landslip works at Calbury should be finished soon. Also heard rumours for a while that the 75/76 were going to become MAX routes and it's looking a bit more likely now. Wonder if the routes will change anymore?

Wonder if Arriva are dropping the X2 number and running it as the X12 through to Newcastle based on this registration? Or could it just be how it's been registered on VOSA?

Kuyoyo



6,856
20 Feb 2015, 11:46 am #490
(20 Feb 2015, 11:42 am)Jimmi Interesting looking registrations:

75/76 (X75/X76?) will probably be going back to regular routes soon as the landslip works at Calbury should be finished soon. Also heard rumours for a while that the 75/76 were going to become MAX routes and it's looking a bit more likely now. Wonder if the routes will change anymore?

Wonder if Arriva are dropping the X2 number and running it as the X12 through to Newcastle based on this registration? Or could it just be how it's been registered on VOSA?

X75/X76 is looking likely the 75/76 renumbered to suit the MAX upgrade.

X2 renumbered X12 - given the recent clarification of the regulations around split services, it's not surprising to see this one happening.
Kuyoyo
20 Feb 2015, 11:46 am #490

(20 Feb 2015, 11:42 am)Jimmi Interesting looking registrations:

75/76 (X75/X76?) will probably be going back to regular routes soon as the landslip works at Calbury should be finished soon. Also heard rumours for a while that the 75/76 were going to become MAX routes and it's looking a bit more likely now. Wonder if the routes will change anymore?

Wonder if Arriva are dropping the X2 number and running it as the X12 through to Newcastle based on this registration? Or could it just be how it's been registered on VOSA?

X75/X76 is looking likely the 75/76 renumbered to suit the MAX upgrade.

X2 renumbered X12 - given the recent clarification of the regulations around split services, it's not surprising to see this one happening.

Jimmi



10,977
20 Feb 2015, 11:51 am #491
(20 Feb 2015, 11:46 am)Kuyoyo X75/X76 is looking likely the 75/76 renumbered to suit the MAX upgrade.



X2 renumbered X12 - given the recent clarification of the regulations around split services, it's not surprising to see this one happening.

If this is the case with the X12/X2 it's a pity they couldn't have just made the whole route have the X2 as it's service number, although they wouldn't do this now after just renumbering the X1 as the X12.
Jimmi
20 Feb 2015, 11:51 am #491

(20 Feb 2015, 11:46 am)Kuyoyo X75/X76 is looking likely the 75/76 renumbered to suit the MAX upgrade.



X2 renumbered X12 - given the recent clarification of the regulations around split services, it's not surprising to see this one happening.

If this is the case with the X12/X2 it's a pity they couldn't have just made the whole route have the X2 as it's service number, although they wouldn't do this now after just renumbering the X1 as the X12.

Michael



19,175
20 Feb 2015, 12:34 pm #492
(20 Feb 2015, 11:46 am)Kuyoyo X75/X76 is looking likely the 75/76 renumbered to suit the MAX upgrade.

X2 renumbered X12 - given the recent clarification of the regulations around split services, it's not surprising to see this one happening.

I didn't know the 75/76 were getting MAX, its a good move, will the services be getting Pulsers, as i'm sure the current 75/76 uses Solo's?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
20 Feb 2015, 12:34 pm #492

(20 Feb 2015, 11:46 am)Kuyoyo X75/X76 is looking likely the 75/76 renumbered to suit the MAX upgrade.

X2 renumbered X12 - given the recent clarification of the regulations around split services, it's not surprising to see this one happening.

I didn't know the 75/76 were getting MAX, its a good move, will the services be getting Pulsers, as i'm sure the current 75/76 uses Solo's?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Jimmi



10,977
20 Feb 2015, 12:39 pm #493
(20 Feb 2015, 12:34 pm)Michael I didn't know the 75/76 were getting MAX, its a good move, will the services be getting Pulsers, as i'm sure the current 75/76 uses Solo's?

At the moment the current allocation seems to be two Solos and a Pulsar, I think the reason why Solos are currently being used is because Darlington is short on full size single deckers and the Pulsars are needed on the 1/5/5A and X1 which are busier than the 75/76 is.
Jimmi
20 Feb 2015, 12:39 pm #493

(20 Feb 2015, 12:34 pm)Michael I didn't know the 75/76 were getting MAX, its a good move, will the services be getting Pulsers, as i'm sure the current 75/76 uses Solo's?

At the moment the current allocation seems to be two Solos and a Pulsar, I think the reason why Solos are currently being used is because Darlington is short on full size single deckers and the Pulsars are needed on the 1/5/5A and X1 which are busier than the 75/76 is.

Michael



19,175
20 Feb 2015, 12:42 pm #494
(20 Feb 2015, 12:39 pm)Jimmi At the moment the current allocation seems to be two Solos and a Pulsar, I think the reason why Solos are currently being used is because Darlington is short on full size single deckers and the Pulsars are needed on the 1/5/5A and X1 which are busier than the 75/76 is.

Hmm, every time iv'e seen the 75/76 in Barnard Castle they've being quiet...don't think they would make the SOLO's MAX Tongue 

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
20 Feb 2015, 12:42 pm #494

(20 Feb 2015, 12:39 pm)Jimmi At the moment the current allocation seems to be two Solos and a Pulsar, I think the reason why Solos are currently being used is because Darlington is short on full size single deckers and the Pulsars are needed on the 1/5/5A and X1 which are busier than the 75/76 is.

Hmm, every time iv'e seen the 75/76 in Barnard Castle they've being quiet...don't think they would make the SOLO's MAX Tongue 


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Jimmi



10,977
20 Feb 2015, 12:44 pm #495
(20 Feb 2015, 12:42 pm)Michael Hmm, every time iv'e seen the 75/76 in Barnard Castle they've being quiet...don't think they would make the SOLO's MAX Tongue 

I never really use or see the 75/76 but I think it's one of them services that are busy at peak times but quieter during the daytime.
Jimmi
20 Feb 2015, 12:44 pm #495

(20 Feb 2015, 12:42 pm)Michael Hmm, every time iv'e seen the 75/76 in Barnard Castle they've being quiet...don't think they would make the SOLO's MAX Tongue 

I never really use or see the 75/76 but I think it's one of them services that are busy at peak times but quieter during the daytime.

Cock Robin



2,778
20 Feb 2015, 12:48 pm #496
(20 Feb 2015, 11:51 am)Jimmi If this is the case with the X12/X2 it's a pity they couldn't have just made the whole route have the X2 as it's service number, although they wouldn't do this now after just renumbering the X1 as the X12.

Good job they haven't done the branding yet!
Cock Robin
20 Feb 2015, 12:48 pm #496

(20 Feb 2015, 11:51 am)Jimmi If this is the case with the X12/X2 it's a pity they couldn't have just made the whole route have the X2 as it's service number, although they wouldn't do this now after just renumbering the X1 as the X12.

Good job they haven't done the branding yet!

Andreos1



14,251
20 Feb 2015, 2:13 pm #497
What are the cross Durham links like these days on the X12/X2?
Only done it a few times myself, but from what I have seen, passengers seem to treat it as a separate service - going as far as Durham in either direction.
/
Does the service really need to be one long one, under two numbers - or could it be worked, so that it is two different services?

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
20 Feb 2015, 2:13 pm #497

What are the cross Durham links like these days on the X12/X2?
Only done it a few times myself, but from what I have seen, passengers seem to treat it as a separate service - going as far as Durham in either direction.
/
Does the service really need to be one long one, under two numbers - or could it be worked, so that it is two different services?


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Jimmi



10,977
20 Feb 2015, 2:27 pm #498
(20 Feb 2015, 2:13 pm)Andreos1 What are the cross Durham links like these days on the X12/X2?

Only done it a few times myself, but from what I have seen, passengers seem to treat it as a separate service - going as far as Durham in either direction.

/

Does the service really need to be one long one, under two numbers - or could it be worked, so that it is two different services?

I think many see it as two different services and get off in Durham but from what I've seen there are some who stay on after Durham especially New College students who jump on at Framwellgate Moor and stay on after Durham Bus Station to the likes of Bowburn and Croxdale.
Jimmi
20 Feb 2015, 2:27 pm #498

(20 Feb 2015, 2:13 pm)Andreos1 What are the cross Durham links like these days on the X12/X2?

Only done it a few times myself, but from what I have seen, passengers seem to treat it as a separate service - going as far as Durham in either direction.

/

Does the service really need to be one long one, under two numbers - or could it be worked, so that it is two different services?

I think many see it as two different services and get off in Durham but from what I've seen there are some who stay on after Durham especially New College students who jump on at Framwellgate Moor and stay on after Durham Bus Station to the likes of Bowburn and Croxdale.

Kuyoyo



6,856
20 Feb 2015, 2:32 pm #499
(20 Feb 2015, 2:13 pm)Andreos1 What are the cross Durham links like these days on the X12/X2?
Only done it a few times myself, but from what I have seen, passengers seem to treat it as a separate service - going as far as Durham in either direction.
/
Does the service really need to be one long one, under two numbers - or could it be worked, so that it is two different services?

Arriva did look at spliting them into 2 separate services a few years back - with the then-X1 running up to Framwellgate Moor for the University. In the end, it was decided not to.

The return to a single number throughout with just a change of destination may help
Kuyoyo
20 Feb 2015, 2:32 pm #499

(20 Feb 2015, 2:13 pm)Andreos1 What are the cross Durham links like these days on the X12/X2?
Only done it a few times myself, but from what I have seen, passengers seem to treat it as a separate service - going as far as Durham in either direction.
/
Does the service really need to be one long one, under two numbers - or could it be worked, so that it is two different services?

Arriva did look at spliting them into 2 separate services a few years back - with the then-X1 running up to Framwellgate Moor for the University. In the end, it was decided not to.

The return to a single number throughout with just a change of destination may help

Andreos1



14,251
20 Feb 2015, 2:39 pm #500
(20 Feb 2015, 2:27 pm)Jimmi I think many see it as two different services and get off in Durham but from what I've seen there are some who stay on after Durham especially New College students who jump on at Framwellgate Moor and stay on after Durham Bus Station to the likes of Bowburn and Croxdale.
Yeah, thought there may have been a couple - which ties in with what Kuyoyo has said below.
(20 Feb 2015, 2:32 pm)Kuyoyo Arriva did look at spliting them into 2 separate services a few years back - with the then-X1 running up to Framwellgate Moor for the University. In the end, it was decided not to.

The return to a single number throughout with just a change of destination may help

Do you mean the college at Fram?

It was more to do with the marketing/branding perspective as well as improving timings.
Appreciate there are short runs, but wondered if it would be better if they were split completely.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
20 Feb 2015, 2:39 pm #500

(20 Feb 2015, 2:27 pm)Jimmi I think many see it as two different services and get off in Durham but from what I've seen there are some who stay on after Durham especially New College students who jump on at Framwellgate Moor and stay on after Durham Bus Station to the likes of Bowburn and Croxdale.
Yeah, thought there may have been a couple - which ties in with what Kuyoyo has said below.
(20 Feb 2015, 2:32 pm)Kuyoyo Arriva did look at spliting them into 2 separate services a few years back - with the then-X1 running up to Framwellgate Moor for the University. In the end, it was decided not to.

The return to a single number throughout with just a change of destination may help

Do you mean the college at Fram?

It was more to do with the marketing/branding perspective as well as improving timings.
Appreciate there are short runs, but wondered if it would be better if they were split completely.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

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