PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance
PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance
(16 Apr 2016, 1:33 pm)Andreos1 5362 has issues with its front blinds.
The 4 is more or less centre, with the rest of the display condensed in to the remaining section.
(16 Apr 2016, 1:33 pm)Andreos1 5362 has issues with its front blinds.
The 4 is more or less centre, with the rest of the display condensed in to the remaining section.
So does this mean that 3814-3832 will be retired by January 1st as I noticed they have a step entrance when I was on 3822 yesterday on the V7
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(17 Apr 2016, 10:35 am)TEN 6083 So does this mean that 3814-3832 will be retired by January 1st as I noticed they have a step entrance when I was on 3822 yesterday on the V7
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(17 Apr 2016, 10:35 am)TEN 6083 So does this mean that 3814-3832 will be retired by January 1st as I noticed they have a step entrance when I was on 3822 yesterday on the V7
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36534907
Wheelchair case taken to high court.
(15 Jun 2016, 5:24 am)Andreos1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36534907
Wheelchair case taken to high court.
(15 Jun 2016, 5:24 am)Andreos1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36534907
Wheelchair case taken to high court.
(15 Jun 2016, 5:27 am)Dan Surprised this is still ongoing. I remember reading about it at the time.
(15 Jun 2016, 5:27 am)Dan Surprised this is still ongoing. I remember reading about it at the time.
(15 Jun 2016, 6:25 am)Adrian This should be the end of it either way. The actual judgement was ages ago, but it was overturned at the High Court on appeal.
It's anyone's guess what the Supreme Court will decide. I personally think the claimant will win his case, so it'd be interesting to see how that's implemented in practice.
(15 Jun 2016, 6:25 am)Adrian This should be the end of it either way. The actual judgement was ages ago, but it was overturned at the High Court on appeal.
It's anyone's guess what the Supreme Court will decide. I personally think the claimant will win his case, so it'd be interesting to see how that's implemented in practice.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38795688
Incident in Wakefield just days after ruling.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43330690
Further changes ahead for wheelchair users following supreme court ruling.
So PSVAR grows to capture all* coaches from 1st Jan 2020... I wonder if this will apply to the wealth of school contracts in County Durham, many of them that probably aren't compliant at present, or whether an exemption has been applied?
Be interesting to see what's running about in the first week of Jan.
(26 Dec 2019, 11:01 pm)Adrian So PSVAR grows to capture all* coaches from 1st Jan 2020... I wonder if this will apply to the wealth of school contracts in County Durham, many of them that probably aren't compliant at present, or whether an exemption has been applied?
Be interesting to see what's running about in the first week of Jan.
(26 Dec 2019, 11:01 pm)Adrian So PSVAR grows to capture all* coaches from 1st Jan 2020... I wonder if this will apply to the wealth of school contracts in County Durham, many of them that probably aren't compliant at present, or whether an exemption has been applied?
Be interesting to see what's running about in the first week of Jan.
(27 Dec 2019, 6:53 am)Dan They’ve all/mostly gone out to tender, from operators who weren’t able to source PSVAR compliant vehicles by 1 January 2020, and will see a number of very small operators closing their doors.
A lot of the Durham County Council school contracts are permitting the use of single decks opposed to coaches, which is how Go North East have been quite fortunate in their disposal.
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(27 Dec 2019, 6:53 am)Dan They’ve all/mostly gone out to tender, from operators who weren’t able to source PSVAR compliant vehicles by 1 January 2020, and will see a number of very small operators closing their doors.
A lot of the Durham County Council school contracts are permitting the use of single decks opposed to coaches, which is how Go North East have been quite fortunate in their disposal.
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(26 Dec 2019, 11:01 pm)Adrian So PSVAR grows to capture all* coaches from 1st Jan 2020... I wonder if this will apply to the wealth of school contracts in County Durham, many of them that probably aren't compliant at present, or whether an exemption has been applied?
Be interesting to see what's running about in the first week of Jan.
(27 Dec 2019, 6:53 am)Dan They’ve all/mostly gone out to tender, from operators who weren’t able to source PSVAR compliant vehicles by 1 January 2020, and will see a number of very small operators closing their doors.Teesside has more of a problem with school contracts using coaches, apparently. Parents whose kids pay for their transport places have been told they are likely to have to find alternative transport. https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teess...g-17393145
A lot of the Durham County Council school contracts are permitting the use of single decks opposed to coaches, which is how Go North East have been quite fortunate in their disposal.
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(26 Dec 2019, 11:01 pm)Adrian So PSVAR grows to capture all* coaches from 1st Jan 2020... I wonder if this will apply to the wealth of school contracts in County Durham, many of them that probably aren't compliant at present, or whether an exemption has been applied?
Be interesting to see what's running about in the first week of Jan.
(27 Dec 2019, 6:53 am)Dan They’ve all/mostly gone out to tender, from operators who weren’t able to source PSVAR compliant vehicles by 1 January 2020, and will see a number of very small operators closing their doors.Teesside has more of a problem with school contracts using coaches, apparently. Parents whose kids pay for their transport places have been told they are likely to have to find alternative transport. https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teess...g-17393145
A lot of the Durham County Council school contracts are permitting the use of single decks opposed to coaches, which is how Go North East have been quite fortunate in their disposal.
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(28 Dec 2019, 10:18 pm)BusLoverMum Teesside has more of a problem with school contracts using coaches, apparently. Parents whose kids pay for their transport places have been told they are likely to have to find alternative transport. https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teess...g-17393145
(28 Dec 2019, 10:18 pm)BusLoverMum Teesside has more of a problem with school contracts using coaches, apparently. Parents whose kids pay for their transport places have been told they are likely to have to find alternative transport. https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teess...g-17393145
(28 Dec 2019, 11:15 pm)streetdeckfan How long have they known about this change? Certainly longer than the couple weeks notice that they're giving passengers! They would have known about this change when the the tender went out so why would the council even give them the contract if they would be non-compliant?That was my thought, too, tbh. Hardly fair on kids who now need to be out of the door at silly o clock.
I struggle to feel sympathy for the smaller operators, at the end of the day they've had years to plan ahead to make sure everything is compliant, and if they haven't it's their own fault. You can argue that they don't have the money to replace/modify vehicles like the big operators do, well then they shouldn't be in the business then
(28 Dec 2019, 11:15 pm)streetdeckfan How long have they known about this change? Certainly longer than the couple weeks notice that they're giving passengers! They would have known about this change when the the tender went out so why would the council even give them the contract if they would be non-compliant?That was my thought, too, tbh. Hardly fair on kids who now need to be out of the door at silly o clock.
I struggle to feel sympathy for the smaller operators, at the end of the day they've had years to plan ahead to make sure everything is compliant, and if they haven't it's their own fault. You can argue that they don't have the money to replace/modify vehicles like the big operators do, well then they shouldn't be in the business then
(29 Dec 2019, 12:30 am)BusLoverMum That was my thought, too, tbh. Hardly fair on kids who now need to be out of the door at silly o clock.
(29 Dec 2019, 12:30 am)BusLoverMum That was my thought, too, tbh. Hardly fair on kids who now need to be out of the door at silly o clock.
(28 Dec 2019, 11:15 pm)streetdeckfan How long have they known about this change? Certainly longer than the couple weeks notice that they're giving passengers! They would have known about this change when the the tender went out so why would the council even give them the contract if they would be non-compliant?
I struggle to feel sympathy for the smaller operators, at the end of the day they've had years to plan ahead to make sure everything is compliant, and if they haven't it's their own fault. You can argue that they don't have the money to replace/modify vehicles like the big operators do, well then they shouldn't be in the business then
(28 Dec 2019, 11:15 pm)streetdeckfan How long have they known about this change? Certainly longer than the couple weeks notice that they're giving passengers! They would have known about this change when the the tender went out so why would the council even give them the contract if they would be non-compliant?
I struggle to feel sympathy for the smaller operators, at the end of the day they've had years to plan ahead to make sure everything is compliant, and if they haven't it's their own fault. You can argue that they don't have the money to replace/modify vehicles like the big operators do, well then they shouldn't be in the business then
(29 Dec 2019, 1:32 am)streetdeckfan From what I read, it looks like the council are pretending they didn't know the changes would apply to school bus services. I don't know why they would think it wouldn't!
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but last time I checked disabled children weren't magically healed once they put their uniform on!
(29 Dec 2019, 1:32 am)streetdeckfan From what I read, it looks like the council are pretending they didn't know the changes would apply to school bus services. I don't know why they would think it wouldn't!
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but last time I checked disabled children weren't magically healed once they put their uniform on!
(29 Dec 2019, 11:41 am)Dan To be fair, you didn't have to look far in the trade press, to see this matter being debated, in the months leading up to today.
Initial guidance from the DfT was open to interpretation, which muddied the waters. It was originally suggested that school services which do not take any fares (and hence are not registered bus services that claim BSOG etc), and are instead paid for by an alternate means (either by a local authority or directly from a school), did not have to conform to PSVAR.
If you, as a small business with relatively low profits, did not have to go to the expense of replacing your fleet with newer vehicles which do conform to PSVAR, why would you? Many of these small operators just about cover their costs and provide a small number of people with a wage, and it's Private Hires (school trips to the baths etc) that contribute towards the greater profits of the business.
Some trade press articles to have a read of:
https://cbwmagazine.com/dft-announce-a-t...-services/
https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/mi...ation-law/
https://app.croneri.co.uk/feature-articl...ules-apply
(29 Dec 2019, 11:41 am)Dan To be fair, you didn't have to look far in the trade press, to see this matter being debated, in the months leading up to today.
Initial guidance from the DfT was open to interpretation, which muddied the waters. It was originally suggested that school services which do not take any fares (and hence are not registered bus services that claim BSOG etc), and are instead paid for by an alternate means (either by a local authority or directly from a school), did not have to conform to PSVAR.
If you, as a small business with relatively low profits, did not have to go to the expense of replacing your fleet with newer vehicles which do conform to PSVAR, why would you? Many of these small operators just about cover their costs and provide a small number of people with a wage, and it's Private Hires (school trips to the baths etc) that contribute towards the greater profits of the business.
Some trade press articles to have a read of:
https://cbwmagazine.com/dft-announce-a-t...-services/
https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/mi...ation-law/
https://app.croneri.co.uk/feature-articl...ules-apply