Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2014
Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2014
(31 Jan 2014, 10:05 pm)Dan A few photographs on my Flickr of vehicles entering Gateshead/Winlaton depot for the final time from this evening.
All photographs were taken from outside the depot premises.
(31 Jan 2014, 10:05 pm)Dan A few photographs on my Flickr of vehicles entering Gateshead/Winlaton depot for the final time from this evening.
All photographs were taken from outside the depot premises.
(01 Feb 2014, 12:05 am)G-CPTN At what stage do the drivers hand over to depot staff for refuelling and wash?
Do the drivers 'jump ship' at the 'terminus' (job done) or do they drive to the depot and park up then leave? I can't imagine that the average driver will be educated in vehicle maintenance (at least not the ones that I have spoken to).
(01 Feb 2014, 12:05 am)G-CPTN At what stage do the drivers hand over to depot staff for refuelling and wash?
Do the drivers 'jump ship' at the 'terminus' (job done) or do they drive to the depot and park up then leave? I can't imagine that the average driver will be educated in vehicle maintenance (at least not the ones that I have spoken to).
(01 Feb 2014, 12:25 am)G-CPTN But 'non-driving' depot staff do the refuelling/washing?
They draw the vehicles from where the drivers have parked them (in the depot park)?
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(01 Feb 2014, 12:25 am)G-CPTN But 'non-driving' depot staff do the refuelling/washing?
They draw the vehicles from where the drivers have parked them (in the depot park)?
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(30 Jan 2014, 4:53 pm)Michael Just a little thing from GNE on their site about the changes to North Sunderland
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Better and faster bus services for north Sunderland
Date: 30 Jan 2014
We have recently made a number of improvements to bus services in north Sunderland.
Service X36
Between Sunderland and Newcastle has been increased from hourly to half-hourly and has joined the ‘Fast Cats’ brand of express services.
The bus provides unique, direct links to Newcastle and Sunderland from from Carley Hill, Witherwack and Hylton Red House, with journey times to Newcastle from the estates of less than 40 minutes.
Service 29
New service with a bus every 20 minutes between Boldon, Town End Farm Castletown, Sunderland, Ryhope and Doxford. Together with existing service 39, there is a bus between Sunderland City centre and Doxford every ten minutes.
New services X36 and 29 replace former services 26 and 36.
Read more information on our Sunderland Bus Briefing page, or view timetables.
Andrew Tyldsley, Go North East’s head of commercial, said: “Following extensive consultation with our passengers and local councillors, we’ve introduced new Service 29 to provide direct connections between north and south Sunderland and to the growing employment site at Doxford International. At the same time, we’ve been able to increase the number of express bus services we offer to Newcastle.”
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And the X36 is now under the Fast Cat's tab on their site with updated info about the Fast Cat's service.
Wonder if any more Express services will join the Fast Cat's brand in the future?
Shame the X3 cut way down.. it could of joined the brand to...
(30 Jan 2014, 4:53 pm)Michael Just a little thing from GNE on their site about the changes to North Sunderland
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Better and faster bus services for north Sunderland
Date: 30 Jan 2014
We have recently made a number of improvements to bus services in north Sunderland.
Service X36
Between Sunderland and Newcastle has been increased from hourly to half-hourly and has joined the ‘Fast Cats’ brand of express services.
The bus provides unique, direct links to Newcastle and Sunderland from from Carley Hill, Witherwack and Hylton Red House, with journey times to Newcastle from the estates of less than 40 minutes.
Service 29
New service with a bus every 20 minutes between Boldon, Town End Farm Castletown, Sunderland, Ryhope and Doxford. Together with existing service 39, there is a bus between Sunderland City centre and Doxford every ten minutes.
New services X36 and 29 replace former services 26 and 36.
Read more information on our Sunderland Bus Briefing page, or view timetables.
Andrew Tyldsley, Go North East’s head of commercial, said: “Following extensive consultation with our passengers and local councillors, we’ve introduced new Service 29 to provide direct connections between north and south Sunderland and to the growing employment site at Doxford International. At the same time, we’ve been able to increase the number of express bus services we offer to Newcastle.”
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And the X36 is now under the Fast Cat's tab on their site with updated info about the Fast Cat's service.
Wonder if any more Express services will join the Fast Cat's brand in the future?
Shame the X3 cut way down.. it could of joined the brand to...
(31 Jan 2014, 9:27 pm)Kuyoyo History of the OmniCitys
5234-43: new to Stanley for 'The Red Kite'
5244-50: new to Stanley for 'West Durham Swift'
5251-3: New to Chester-le-Street as spares in plain red 'Go North East'
5254: initially used at Chester-le-Street in red before moving to Percy Main and repainted for Cobalt Clipper
5255-8: new to Percy Main for Cobalt Clipper
5259-61: new to Stanley/Chester-le-Street in plain white as spares
5262-74: delivered in plain pink, initially used at Washington on Red Arrows before taking up residences at Chester le Street for the 21/22
(31 Jan 2014, 9:27 pm)Kuyoyo History of the OmniCitys
5234-43: new to Stanley for 'The Red Kite'
5244-50: new to Stanley for 'West Durham Swift'
5251-3: New to Chester-le-Street as spares in plain red 'Go North East'
5254: initially used at Chester-le-Street in red before moving to Percy Main and repainted for Cobalt Clipper
5255-8: new to Percy Main for Cobalt Clipper
5259-61: new to Stanley/Chester-le-Street in plain white as spares
5262-74: delivered in plain pink, initially used at Washington on Red Arrows before taking up residences at Chester le Street for the 21/22
(01 Feb 2014, 12:34 am)tyresmoke I'm not sure how it works at GNE but certainly Arriva and Stagecoach employ shunters who will move them into fuelling, washing and then parking them up. Each depot is different in how they work, some depots the fuel queue extends outside of the depot premises itself.
(01 Feb 2014, 12:34 am)tyresmoke I'm not sure how it works at GNE but certainly Arriva and Stagecoach employ shunters who will move them into fuelling, washing and then parking them up. Each depot is different in how they work, some depots the fuel queue extends outside of the depot premises itself.
Same for GNE.
Once you get to the front of the queue, you can leave and hand your bua to one of the depot guys who will refuel it and put it through the wash.
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At chester we have running boards which stay with the vehicle until it returns to depot, we take them through the fuel lane, queue if necessary, then take it through the wash and hand over to yardman once inside the depot.
(01 Feb 2014, 6:40 am)nk55 At chester we have running boards which stay with the vehicle until it returns to depot, we take them through the fuel lane, queue if necessary, then take it through the wash and hand over to yardman once inside the depot.
(01 Feb 2014, 6:40 am)nk55 At chester we have running boards which stay with the vehicle until it returns to depot, we take them through the fuel lane, queue if necessary, then take it through the wash and hand over to yardman once inside the depot.
(01 Feb 2014, 6:40 am)nk55 At chester we have running boards which stay with the vehicle until it returns to depot, we take them through the fuel lane, queue if necessary, then take it through the wash and hand over to yardman once inside the depot.
(01 Feb 2014, 12:52 am)Acky81 I rode the 209pm x3 from Gateshead to Monkwearmouth 4 passengers all the way fast journey in 30mins but such a shame to see the service reach an all time low!!!
(01 Feb 2014, 12:52 am)Acky81 I rode the 209pm x3 from Gateshead to Monkwearmouth 4 passengers all the way fast journey in 30mins but such a shame to see the service reach an all time low!!!
(01 Feb 2014, 6:40 am)nk55 Same for GNE.
Once you get to the front of the queue, you can leave and hand your bua to one of the depot guys who will refuel it and put it through the wash.
(01 Feb 2014, 6:40 am)nk55 Same for GNE.
Once you get to the front of the queue, you can leave and hand your bua to one of the depot guys who will refuel it and put it through the wash.
(01 Feb 2014, 8:02 am)Greg in Weardale Yes, it's the most useless bus timetable I have ever seen and GNE should be ashamed of it. I'm afraid things like this and the regular service cuts and constant changes by GNE start to make me think that the Nexus Quality Contract might be the way forward, but then I look at Stagecoach in Newcastle and Sunderland and think, no, they do a good job and the QC would be a waste of money. GNE must realise it's no good investing millions in new depots, buses with wi-fi, etc, when they're cutting routes, timetables are rubbish and don't provide useful services. They must look at each route as an entity, rather than a collection of individual journeys, because if you cut one or two runs (especially at the shoulders of the peak or by taking buses out to do schools, both of which they've done to the X3 over the last couple of years and cutting peak journeys on X7 and X21 recently) you destroy the integrity of the route, lessen its usefulness and therefore lose passengers. Also each route must form part of an overall network in which routes link together to provide a complementary structure and enable passengers to connect between routes to travel around the company's area easily.
(01 Feb 2014, 8:02 am)Greg in Weardale Yes, it's the most useless bus timetable I have ever seen and GNE should be ashamed of it. I'm afraid things like this and the regular service cuts and constant changes by GNE start to make me think that the Nexus Quality Contract might be the way forward, but then I look at Stagecoach in Newcastle and Sunderland and think, no, they do a good job and the QC would be a waste of money. GNE must realise it's no good investing millions in new depots, buses with wi-fi, etc, when they're cutting routes, timetables are rubbish and don't provide useful services. They must look at each route as an entity, rather than a collection of individual journeys, because if you cut one or two runs (especially at the shoulders of the peak or by taking buses out to do schools, both of which they've done to the X3 over the last couple of years and cutting peak journeys on X7 and X21 recently) you destroy the integrity of the route, lessen its usefulness and therefore lose passengers. Also each route must form part of an overall network in which routes link together to provide a complementary structure and enable passengers to connect between routes to travel around the company's area easily.
(01 Feb 2014, 8:02 am)Greg in Weardale Yes, it's the most useless bus timetable I have ever seen and GNE should be ashamed of it. I'm afraid things like this and the regular service cuts and constant changes by GNE start to make me think that the Nexus Quality Contract might be the way forward, but then I look at Stagecoach in Newcastle and Sunderland and think, no, they do a good job and the QC would be a waste of money. GNE must realise it's no good investing millions in new depots, buses with wi-fi, etc, when they're cutting routes, timetables are rubbish and don't provide useful services. They must look at each route as an entity, rather than a collection of individual journeys, because if you cut one or two runs (especially at the shoulders of the peak or by taking buses out to do schools, both of which they've done to the X3 over the last couple of years and cutting peak journeys on X7 and X21 recently) you destroy the integrity of the route, lessen its usefulness and therefore lose passengers. Also each route must form part of an overall network in which routes link together to provide a complementary structure and enable passengers to connect between routes to travel around the company's area easily.
(01 Feb 2014, 8:02 am)Greg in Weardale Yes, it's the most useless bus timetable I have ever seen and GNE should be ashamed of it. I'm afraid things like this and the regular service cuts and constant changes by GNE start to make me think that the Nexus Quality Contract might be the way forward, but then I look at Stagecoach in Newcastle and Sunderland and think, no, they do a good job and the QC would be a waste of money. GNE must realise it's no good investing millions in new depots, buses with wi-fi, etc, when they're cutting routes, timetables are rubbish and don't provide useful services. They must look at each route as an entity, rather than a collection of individual journeys, because if you cut one or two runs (especially at the shoulders of the peak or by taking buses out to do schools, both of which they've done to the X3 over the last couple of years and cutting peak journeys on X7 and X21 recently) you destroy the integrity of the route, lessen its usefulness and therefore lose passengers. Also each route must form part of an overall network in which routes link together to provide a complementary structure and enable passengers to connect between routes to travel around the company's area easily.
(01 Feb 2014, 8:47 am)nk55 Cant honestly say by cutting the 18.40 X21 was unjust, it carried very few passengers from newcastle to chester & durham and them hardly any onwards to bishop. Obviously with regards to the X7 the journeys being withdrawn were being used by very few passengers to justify it, and the X3 is in competition with the metro it was never gonna work so having it the way it is because thats what the councilors & the oaps say "they'll use it", want it but only time before it goes tbh.
(01 Feb 2014, 8:47 am)nk55 Cant honestly say by cutting the 18.40 X21 was unjust, it carried very few passengers from newcastle to chester & durham and them hardly any onwards to bishop. Obviously with regards to the X7 the journeys being withdrawn were being used by very few passengers to justify it, and the X3 is in competition with the metro it was never gonna work so having it the way it is because thats what the councilors & the oaps say "they'll use it", want it but only time before it goes tbh.
(01 Feb 2014, 8:53 am)andreos1 GNE love the hub and spoke model, ig is what their network is built on these days - but buses from the hub, cant be making much money if local services feeding into the hub are cut.
Look at the cuts the 21 has taken on a morning.
Is it any wonder numbers have dropped, if passengers see their local route cut - they cant get to Durham or Chester to get a 21...
Granted the local services may not make much money, but ultimately, the impact is felt further into the network.
Say the early 21s carried an average of 10 fare paying passengers - not a decent load, but just enough.
6 of those passengers get on the 21 at Chester/Durham, transferring onto it from 4 local services, but see those local services axed due to poor loadings.
End result, that early morning run of the 21 is axed, because it now only carries 4 passengers and makes a loss.
Adam made a very good point about this a few weeks back specific to the costs involved.
(01 Feb 2014, 8:53 am)andreos1 GNE love the hub and spoke model, ig is what their network is built on these days - but buses from the hub, cant be making much money if local services feeding into the hub are cut.
Look at the cuts the 21 has taken on a morning.
Is it any wonder numbers have dropped, if passengers see their local route cut - they cant get to Durham or Chester to get a 21...
Granted the local services may not make much money, but ultimately, the impact is felt further into the network.
Say the early 21s carried an average of 10 fare paying passengers - not a decent load, but just enough.
6 of those passengers get on the 21 at Chester/Durham, transferring onto it from 4 local services, but see those local services axed due to poor loadings.
End result, that early morning run of the 21 is axed, because it now only carries 4 passengers and makes a loss.
Adam made a very good point about this a few weeks back specific to the costs involved.
(01 Feb 2014, 9:26 am)Michael Last day of Gateshead and Winlaton depot's today.
Let's hope the drivers remember to go to the Riverside depot tonight!