Go North East: 2015/16 Financial Year Order Predictions
Go North East: 2015/16 Financial Year Order Predictions
(22 May 2015, 9:27 pm)Malarkey But why would you put the Older Batch on the X21, But not the Newer Batch of B9TLs?
(22 May 2015, 9:27 pm)Malarkey But why would you put the Older Batch on the X21, But not the Newer Batch of B9TLs?
(22 May 2015, 9:31 pm)Davie Because 6049 Tachograph meaning that could go into Tyne Tees Express livery. I'm not entirely sure what the PVR of the X21 is however, 6050-6055 could potentially transfer to Crook for service X21Don't see the point in having a branded spare for the TTX, branded spares just mean the chances of a branded bus appearing off route would possibly increase. Would make more sense to have it in the corprative livery so if it isn't required on the X9/X10 it can pop up on another route without the bus being in the wrong brand for that service.
(22 May 2015, 9:31 pm)Davie Because 6049 Tachograph meaning that could go into Tyne Tees Express livery. I'm not entirely sure what the PVR of the X21 is however, 6050-6055 could potentially transfer to Crook for service X21Don't see the point in having a branded spare for the TTX, branded spares just mean the chances of a branded bus appearing off route would possibly increase. Would make more sense to have it in the corprative livery so if it isn't required on the X9/X10 it can pop up on another route without the bus being in the wrong brand for that service.
(22 May 2015, 9:31 pm)Davie Because 6049 Tachograph meaning that could go into Tyne Tees Express livery. I'm not entirely sure what the PVR of the X21 is however, 6050-6055 could potentially transfer to Crook for service X21
(22 May 2015, 9:31 pm)Davie Because 6049 Tachograph meaning that could go into Tyne Tees Express livery. I'm not entirely sure what the PVR of the X21 is however, 6050-6055 could potentially transfer to Crook for service X21
(22 May 2015, 9:43 pm)Malarkey PVR is 7 for the X21, But isnt the whole reason 6084 was Transferred to Riverside and Repainted into Corporate Livery because it had a Tachograph, therefore the TTX already has a Spare and also prevented the usage of 6071 on the TTX also, while 3941/3963 and 3964 also have Tachographs and often appear on the TTX also if not required on the TEN.Isn't the PVR for the X21 actually 6? I'm not sure on that but I think it is 6 then they usually have one or two double deckers parked up in Bishop Auckland Bus Station and usually if it looks like a bus is going to arrive back in Bishop Auckland late one of the parked up buses gets sent out instead and the late bus gets parked up.
(22 May 2015, 9:43 pm)Malarkey PVR is 7 for the X21, But isnt the whole reason 6084 was Transferred to Riverside and Repainted into Corporate Livery because it had a Tachograph, therefore the TTX already has a Spare and also prevented the usage of 6071 on the TTX also, while 3941/3963 and 3964 also have Tachographs and often appear on the TTX also if not required on the TEN.Isn't the PVR for the X21 actually 6? I'm not sure on that but I think it is 6 then they usually have one or two double deckers parked up in Bishop Auckland Bus Station and usually if it looks like a bus is going to arrive back in Bishop Auckland late one of the parked up buses gets sent out instead and the late bus gets parked up.
(22 May 2015, 9:51 pm)Jimmi Isn't the PVR for the X21 actually 6? I'm not sure on that but I think it is 6 then they usually have one or two double deckers parked up in Bishop Auckland Bus Station and usually if it looks like a bus is going to arrive back in Bishop Auckland late one of the parked up buses gets sent out instead and the late bus gets parked up.
I think there is extra runs at peak times but I am not sure if these are done by Crook or Chester-le-Street.
(22 May 2015, 9:51 pm)Jimmi Isn't the PVR for the X21 actually 6? I'm not sure on that but I think it is 6 then they usually have one or two double deckers parked up in Bishop Auckland Bus Station and usually if it looks like a bus is going to arrive back in Bishop Auckland late one of the parked up buses gets sent out instead and the late bus gets parked up.
I think there is extra runs at peak times but I am not sure if these are done by Crook or Chester-le-Street.
(22 May 2015, 9:51 pm)Jimmi Isn't the PVR for the X21 actually 6? I'm not sure on that but I think it is 6 then they usually have one or two double deckers parked up in Bishop Auckland Bus Station and usually if it looks like a bus is going to arrive back in Bishop Auckland late one of the parked up buses gets sent out instead and the late bus gets parked up.
I think there is extra runs at peak times but I am not sure if these are done by Crook or Chester-le-Street.
(22 May 2015, 9:53 pm)Malarkey Definitely 7, just checked the NEB(GNE) Fleetlist.
(22 May 2015, 9:51 pm)Jimmi Isn't the PVR for the X21 actually 6? I'm not sure on that but I think it is 6 then they usually have one or two double deckers parked up in Bishop Auckland Bus Station and usually if it looks like a bus is going to arrive back in Bishop Auckland late one of the parked up buses gets sent out instead and the late bus gets parked up.
I think there is extra runs at peak times but I am not sure if these are done by Crook or Chester-le-Street.
(22 May 2015, 9:53 pm)Malarkey Definitely 7, just checked the NEB(GNE) Fleetlist.
(22 May 2015, 9:43 pm)Malarkey PVR is 7 for the X21, But isnt the whole reason 6084 was Transferred to Riverside and Repainted into Corporate Livery because it had a Tachograph, therefore the TTX already has a Spare and also prevented the usage of 6071 on the TTX also, while 3941/3963 and 3964 also have Tachographs and often appear on the TTX also if not required on the TEN.
(22 May 2015, 9:43 pm)Malarkey PVR is 7 for the X21, But isnt the whole reason 6084 was Transferred to Riverside and Repainted into Corporate Livery because it had a Tachograph, therefore the TTX already has a Spare and also prevented the usage of 6071 on the TTX also, while 3941/3963 and 3964 also have Tachographs and often appear on the TTX also if not required on the TEN.
(22 May 2015, 9:53 pm)Malarkey Definitely 7, just checked the NEB(GNE) Fleetlist.
(22 May 2015, 9:53 pm)Malarkey Definitely 7, just checked the NEB(GNE) Fleetlist.
(22 May 2015, 10:05 pm)DaveyBowyer But because of this (and very frequently), the TEN is still 1 short because of the PVR increase from 13 to 14 vehicles and 6084 being needed on the TTX due to traffic and frequent RTA's.
(22 May 2015, 10:05 pm)DaveyBowyer But because of this (and very frequently), the TEN is still 1 short because of the PVR increase from 13 to 14 vehicles and 6084 being needed on the TTX due to traffic and frequent RTA's.
The Pronto PVR in total is actually 7 because the X21 interworks with the X46. Therefore, the following could happen:
- 15 + 2 spare new deckers to Washington for Red Arrows.
- 6001 to 6007 to Crook alongside 3943 as a spare for Pronto Service X21.
- 6049 to Riverside for TTX spare primarily due to Tachograph.
- 6050 to Hexham and 6051 to Riverside as TEN spares.
- 6052 to Percy Main as Cobalt Clipper spare alongside 6117.
- 6053 to CLS as Angel spare alongside 3962.
- 6054 and 6055 to CLS and fitted with GKN mods for Angel to make up for PVR shortfall.
- 6084 remaining at Riverside but forming a permanent vehicle on the TEN and repainted / rebranded into TEN livery making up the PVR of 14 vehicles.
This then leaves:
- 3941, 3942, 3963, 3964, 3965
- 3941 would remain at Riverside as a Red Kite spare and last resort TEN spare. In total, Riverside would have 3 spare vehicles for a PVR of 12 B9TL routes (excluding X9 / X10 due to Tacho requirements) but 6049 would be summonsed if needed for the TTX.
- 3942 and 3963 transfer to Percy Main displacing 2x Northern Dennis Trident ELC Lolynes or Volvo B7TL Plaxton Presidents. These could be used on the scholars / Cobalt Clipper boards to keep an acceptable standard of vehicles during peak times (preferably the 16:40 and 17:40 309's from Haymarket). The 16:05 X39 from Cobalt to Newcastle and 16:10 309 from Newcastle to Blyth could be operated by some other suitable double deck vehicles or DDA compliant vehicles when the time comes due to fewer commuters at these times.
- 3964 and 3965 transfer to Percy Main displacing 2x non compliant DFDS Dennis Trident ELC Lolynes and work alongside 3890 and 3891.
(22 May 2015, 10:25 pm)DaveyBowyer The Pronto PVR in total is actually 7 because the X21 interworks with the X46. Therefore, the following could happen:
- 15 + 2 spare new deckers to Washington for Red Arrows.
- 6001 to 6007 to Crook alongside 3943 as a spare for Pronto Service X21.
- 6049 to Riverside for TTX spare primarily due to Tachograph.
- 6050 to Hexham and 6051 to Riverside as TEN spares.
- 6052 to Percy Main as Cobalt Clipper spare alongside 6117.
- 6053 to CLS as Angel spare alongside 3962.
- 6054 and 6055 to CLS and fitted with GKN mods for Angel to make up for PVR shortfall.
- 6084 remaining at Riverside but forming a permanent vehicle on the TEN and repainted / rebranded into TEN livery making up the PVR of 14 vehicles.
This then leaves:
- 3941, 3942, 3963, 3964, 3965
- 3941 would remain at Riverside as a Red Kite spare and last resort TEN spare. In total, Riverside would have 3 spare vehicles for a PVR of 12 B9TL routes (excluding X9 / X10 due to Tacho requirements) but 6049 would be summonsed if needed for the TTX.
- 3942 and 3963 transfer to Percy Main displacing 2x Northern Dennis Trident ELC Lolynes or Volvo B7TL Plaxton Presidents. These could be used on the scholars / Cobalt Clipper boards to keep an acceptable standard of vehicles during peak times (preferably the 16:40 and 17:40 309's from Haymarket). The 16:05 X39 from Cobalt to Newcastle and 16:10 309 from Newcastle to Blyth could be operated by some other suitable double deck vehicles or DDA compliant vehicles when the time comes due to fewer commuters at these times.
- 3964 and 3965 transfer to Percy Main displacing 2x non compliant DFDS Dennis Trident ELC Lolynes and work alongside 3890 and 3891.
(22 May 2015, 10:25 pm)DaveyBowyer The Pronto PVR in total is actually 7 because the X21 interworks with the X46. Therefore, the following could happen:
- 15 + 2 spare new deckers to Washington for Red Arrows.
- 6001 to 6007 to Crook alongside 3943 as a spare for Pronto Service X21.
- 6049 to Riverside for TTX spare primarily due to Tachograph.
- 6050 to Hexham and 6051 to Riverside as TEN spares.
- 6052 to Percy Main as Cobalt Clipper spare alongside 6117.
- 6053 to CLS as Angel spare alongside 3962.
- 6054 and 6055 to CLS and fitted with GKN mods for Angel to make up for PVR shortfall.
- 6084 remaining at Riverside but forming a permanent vehicle on the TEN and repainted / rebranded into TEN livery making up the PVR of 14 vehicles.
This then leaves:
- 3941, 3942, 3963, 3964, 3965
- 3941 would remain at Riverside as a Red Kite spare and last resort TEN spare. In total, Riverside would have 3 spare vehicles for a PVR of 12 B9TL routes (excluding X9 / X10 due to Tacho requirements) but 6049 would be summonsed if needed for the TTX.
- 3942 and 3963 transfer to Percy Main displacing 2x Northern Dennis Trident ELC Lolynes or Volvo B7TL Plaxton Presidents. These could be used on the scholars / Cobalt Clipper boards to keep an acceptable standard of vehicles during peak times (preferably the 16:40 and 17:40 309's from Haymarket). The 16:05 X39 from Cobalt to Newcastle and 16:10 309 from Newcastle to Blyth could be operated by some other suitable double deck vehicles or DDA compliant vehicles when the time comes due to fewer commuters at these times.
- 3964 and 3965 transfer to Percy Main displacing 2x non compliant DFDS Dennis Trident ELC Lolynes and work alongside 3890 and 3891.
(22 May 2015, 10:30 pm)Kuyoyo The Pronto PVR is 6 not 7! The X46 is a position journey at the start or end of one or more of the 6 boards to get the vehicle from Durham to Crook or vice versa.
PVR is peak vehicle requirement (ie the maximum number of vehicles used on a route during the day) not how many buses are branded for a route.
(22 May 2015, 10:30 pm)Kuyoyo The Pronto PVR is 6 not 7! The X46 is a position journey at the start or end of one or more of the 6 boards to get the vehicle from Durham to Crook or vice versa.
PVR is peak vehicle requirement (ie the maximum number of vehicles used on a route during the day) not how many buses are branded for a route.
(22 May 2015, 10:54 pm)Davie What about Deptford? 6055 Could transfer there and act as a spare along with 6099 & 6100
(22 May 2015, 10:54 pm)Davie What about Deptford? 6055 Could transfer there and act as a spare along with 6099 & 6100
(22 May 2015, 10:30 pm)Kuyoyo The Pronto PVR is 6 not 7! The X46 is a position journey at the start or end of one or more of the 6 boards to get the vehicle from Durham to Crook or vice versa.
PVR is peak vehicle requirement (ie the maximum number of vehicles used on a route during the day) not how many buses are branded for a route.
(22 May 2015, 10:30 pm)Kuyoyo The Pronto PVR is 6 not 7! The X46 is a position journey at the start or end of one or more of the 6 boards to get the vehicle from Durham to Crook or vice versa.
PVR is peak vehicle requirement (ie the maximum number of vehicles used on a route during the day) not how many buses are branded for a route.
The PVR for the X21 is now 7.
The seventh board does the X21 from Durham to Bishop college, then a taxi to Crook at 11:29. Then does the 16:34 X21 to Newcastle and back to Bishop
So 7 buses for the X21 , 2 for the 18s and one spare (supposed to be 6038) to cover 18s and X21s
I wrote that... don't know how it went under your name Dan!!!
(23 May 2015, 6:40 am)pdiddy The PVR for the X21 is now 7.
The seventh board does the X21 from Durham to Bishop college, then a taxi to Crook at 11:29. Then does the 16:34 X21 to Newcastle and back to Bishop
So 7 buses for the X21 , 2 for the 18s and one spare (supposed to be 6038) to cover 18s and X21s
I wrote that... don't know how it went under your name Dan!!!
(23 May 2015, 6:40 am)pdiddy The PVR for the X21 is now 7.
The seventh board does the X21 from Durham to Bishop college, then a taxi to Crook at 11:29. Then does the 16:34 X21 to Newcastle and back to Bishop
So 7 buses for the X21 , 2 for the 18s and one spare (supposed to be 6038) to cover 18s and X21s
I wrote that... don't know how it went under your name Dan!!!
What they could even do to replace the Pronto at Crook is this if the TEN series could be timetabled so that all Hexham journeys are Hexham operated and all journeys to Low Prudhoe and Rockwood Hill are Riverside operated:
- 8 + 1 spare new E400MMCs to Riverside for services 10A / 10B.
- 6071 to 6076 to Hexham for service 10 alongside 3942 as a spare.
- 6077 to 6083 to Crook alongside 3941 from Riverside for Pronto services.
- 6084 to Riverside as a permanent TTX spare vehicle.
This is what the numbers from Riverside, Hexham and Crook would look like then:
Riverside
- 8x TEN branded E400MMCs for services 10A / 10B.
- 4x Red Kite branded B9TLs for service 47.
- 6x TTX branded B9TLs for services X9 / X10.
- 1x corporate liveried E400MMC as a spare for services 10 / 10B.
- 1x corporate liveried B9TL as a spare for services X9 / X10.
- 2x corporate liveried B7TLs as last resort spares for TEN / TTX and primarily service 47.
Hexham
- 6x TEN branded B9TLs for service 10.
- 1x corporate liveried B7TL as a spare for service 10.
Crook
- 7x Pronto branded B9TLs for services X21 / X46.
- 1x corporate liveried B7TL as a spare for services X21 / X46.
The spare E400MMC could be fitted with a Tachograph so that 6084 and or the spare E400MMC could be used on the X9 / X10 if needed. Also, this would allow GNE to test the E400MMC in tougher conditions and on arguably, it's toughest routes and if proved successful, GNE could then consider this as a future vehicle option for orders. Also, allocating E400MMCs to services 10A and 10B despite the routes not being too demanding, would allow GNE to test the capability of this vehicle type on various roads such as Stonyflat Bank, and the fast paced A695 and joining the A184 from the Teams and picking up speed on the incline towards the Askew Road Junction / Redheugh Bridge.
(24 May 2015, 9:08 pm)Malarkey Just a thought if Go North East were to trade in the Withdrawn Wright Cadets for a Batch of Streetlites, what would the Percentage of Discount be if the Vehicles were to Standard Specification.
(24 May 2015, 9:08 pm)Malarkey Just a thought if Go North East were to trade in the Withdrawn Wright Cadets for a Batch of Streetlites, what would the Percentage of Discount be if the Vehicles were to Standard Specification.