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Davie

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22 May 2015, 9:31 pm #21
(22 May 2015, 9:27 pm)Malarkey But why would you put the Older Batch on the X21, But not the Newer Batch of B9TLs?

Because 6049 Tachograph meaning that could go into Tyne Tees Express livery. I'm not entirely sure what the PVR of the X21 is however, 6050-6055 could potentially transfer to Crook for service X21
Davie
22 May 2015, 9:31 pm #21

(22 May 2015, 9:27 pm)Malarkey But why would you put the Older Batch on the X21, But not the Newer Batch of B9TLs?

Because 6049 Tachograph meaning that could go into Tyne Tees Express livery. I'm not entirely sure what the PVR of the X21 is however, 6050-6055 could potentially transfer to Crook for service X21

Jimmi



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22 May 2015, 9:37 pm #22
(22 May 2015, 9:31 pm)Davie Because 6049 Tachograph meaning that could go into Tyne Tees Express livery. I'm not entirely sure what the PVR of the X21 is however, 6050-6055 could potentially transfer to Crook for service X21
Don't see the point in having a branded spare for the TTX, branded spares just mean the chances of a branded bus appearing off route would possibly increase. Would make more sense to have it in the corprative livery so if it isn't required on the X9/X10 it can pop up on another route without the bus being in the wrong brand for that service.
Jimmi
22 May 2015, 9:37 pm #22

(22 May 2015, 9:31 pm)Davie Because 6049 Tachograph meaning that could go into Tyne Tees Express livery. I'm not entirely sure what the PVR of the X21 is however, 6050-6055 could potentially transfer to Crook for service X21
Don't see the point in having a branded spare for the TTX, branded spares just mean the chances of a branded bus appearing off route would possibly increase. Would make more sense to have it in the corprative livery so if it isn't required on the X9/X10 it can pop up on another route without the bus being in the wrong brand for that service.

Malarkey



6,060
22 May 2015, 9:43 pm #23
(22 May 2015, 9:31 pm)Davie Because 6049 Tachograph meaning that could go into Tyne Tees Express livery. I'm not entirely sure what the PVR of the X21 is however, 6050-6055 could potentially transfer to Crook for service X21

PVR is 7 for the X21, But isnt the whole reason 6084 was Transferred to Riverside and Repainted into Corporate Livery because it had a Tachograph, therefore the TTX already has a Spare and also prevented the usage of 6071 on the TTX also, while 3941/3963 and 3964 also have Tachographs and often appear on the TTX also if not required on the TEN.
Malarkey
22 May 2015, 9:43 pm #23

(22 May 2015, 9:31 pm)Davie Because 6049 Tachograph meaning that could go into Tyne Tees Express livery. I'm not entirely sure what the PVR of the X21 is however, 6050-6055 could potentially transfer to Crook for service X21

PVR is 7 for the X21, But isnt the whole reason 6084 was Transferred to Riverside and Repainted into Corporate Livery because it had a Tachograph, therefore the TTX already has a Spare and also prevented the usage of 6071 on the TTX also, while 3941/3963 and 3964 also have Tachographs and often appear on the TTX also if not required on the TEN.

Jimmi



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22 May 2015, 9:51 pm #24
(22 May 2015, 9:43 pm)Malarkey PVR is 7 for the X21, But isnt the whole reason 6084 was Transferred to Riverside and Repainted into Corporate Livery because it had a Tachograph, therefore the TTX already has a Spare and also prevented the usage of 6071 on the TTX also, while 3941/3963 and 3964 also have Tachographs and often appear on the TTX also if not required on the TEN.
Isn't the PVR for the X21 actually 6? I'm not sure on that but I think it is 6 then they usually have one or two double deckers parked up in Bishop Auckland Bus Station and usually if it looks like a bus is going to arrive back in Bishop Auckland late one of the parked up buses gets sent out instead and the late bus gets parked up.

I think there is extra runs at peak times but I am not sure if these are done by Crook or Chester-le-Street.
Jimmi
22 May 2015, 9:51 pm #24

(22 May 2015, 9:43 pm)Malarkey PVR is 7 for the X21, But isnt the whole reason 6084 was Transferred to Riverside and Repainted into Corporate Livery because it had a Tachograph, therefore the TTX already has a Spare and also prevented the usage of 6071 on the TTX also, while 3941/3963 and 3964 also have Tachographs and often appear on the TTX also if not required on the TEN.
Isn't the PVR for the X21 actually 6? I'm not sure on that but I think it is 6 then they usually have one or two double deckers parked up in Bishop Auckland Bus Station and usually if it looks like a bus is going to arrive back in Bishop Auckland late one of the parked up buses gets sent out instead and the late bus gets parked up.

I think there is extra runs at peak times but I am not sure if these are done by Crook or Chester-le-Street.

Malarkey



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22 May 2015, 9:53 pm #25
(22 May 2015, 9:51 pm)Jimmi Isn't the PVR for the X21 actually 6? I'm not sure on that but I think it is 6 then they usually have one or two double deckers parked up in Bishop Auckland Bus Station and usually if it looks like a bus is going to arrive back in Bishop Auckland late one of the parked up buses gets sent out instead and the late bus gets parked up.

I think there is extra runs at peak times but I am not sure if these are done by Crook or Chester-le-Street.

Definitely 7, just checked the NEB(GNE) Fleetlist. 
Malarkey
22 May 2015, 9:53 pm #25

(22 May 2015, 9:51 pm)Jimmi Isn't the PVR for the X21 actually 6? I'm not sure on that but I think it is 6 then they usually have one or two double deckers parked up in Bishop Auckland Bus Station and usually if it looks like a bus is going to arrive back in Bishop Auckland late one of the parked up buses gets sent out instead and the late bus gets parked up.

I think there is extra runs at peak times but I am not sure if these are done by Crook or Chester-le-Street.

Definitely 7, just checked the NEB(GNE) Fleetlist. 

Kuyoyo



6,846
22 May 2015, 10:04 pm #26
(22 May 2015, 9:51 pm)Jimmi Isn't the PVR for the X21 actually 6? I'm not sure on that but I think it is 6 then they usually have one or two double deckers parked up in Bishop Auckland Bus Station and usually if it looks like a bus is going to arrive back in Bishop Auckland late one of the parked up buses gets sent out instead and the late bus gets parked up.

I think there is extra runs at peak times but I am not sure if these are done by Crook or Chester-le-Street.

(22 May 2015, 9:53 pm)Malarkey Definitely 7, just checked the NEB(GNE) Fleetlist. 

X21 is 6 - 3 hour round trip. 7 branded deckers at present however.
Kuyoyo
22 May 2015, 10:04 pm #26

(22 May 2015, 9:51 pm)Jimmi Isn't the PVR for the X21 actually 6? I'm not sure on that but I think it is 6 then they usually have one or two double deckers parked up in Bishop Auckland Bus Station and usually if it looks like a bus is going to arrive back in Bishop Auckland late one of the parked up buses gets sent out instead and the late bus gets parked up.

I think there is extra runs at peak times but I am not sure if these are done by Crook or Chester-le-Street.

(22 May 2015, 9:53 pm)Malarkey Definitely 7, just checked the NEB(GNE) Fleetlist. 

X21 is 6 - 3 hour round trip. 7 branded deckers at present however.

L469 YVK



3,544
22 May 2015, 10:05 pm #27
(22 May 2015, 9:43 pm)Malarkey PVR is 7 for the X21, But isnt the whole reason 6084 was Transferred to Riverside and Repainted into Corporate Livery because it had a Tachograph, therefore the TTX already has a Spare and also prevented the usage of 6071 on the TTX also, while 3941/3963 and 3964 also have Tachographs and often appear on the TTX also if not required on the TEN.

But because of this (and very frequently), the TEN is still 1 short because of the PVR increase from 13 to 14 vehicles and 6084 being needed on the TTX due to traffic and frequent RTA's.
L469 YVK
22 May 2015, 10:05 pm #27

(22 May 2015, 9:43 pm)Malarkey PVR is 7 for the X21, But isnt the whole reason 6084 was Transferred to Riverside and Repainted into Corporate Livery because it had a Tachograph, therefore the TTX already has a Spare and also prevented the usage of 6071 on the TTX also, while 3941/3963 and 3964 also have Tachographs and often appear on the TTX also if not required on the TEN.

But because of this (and very frequently), the TEN is still 1 short because of the PVR increase from 13 to 14 vehicles and 6084 being needed on the TTX due to traffic and frequent RTA's.

nk55



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22 May 2015, 10:08 pm #28
(22 May 2015, 9:53 pm)Malarkey Definitely 7, just checked the NEB(GNE) Fleetlist. 

Pvr is 6 (3hr round trip) with a branded spare making 7 branded vehicles, 6038 was used as the college dupe ( now op from chester when the X21 started serving bishop college) chester do the extra peak journeys between durham & newcastle.
nk55
22 May 2015, 10:08 pm #28

(22 May 2015, 9:53 pm)Malarkey Definitely 7, just checked the NEB(GNE) Fleetlist. 

Pvr is 6 (3hr round trip) with a branded spare making 7 branded vehicles, 6038 was used as the college dupe ( now op from chester when the X21 started serving bishop college) chester do the extra peak journeys between durham & newcastle.

Malarkey



6,060
22 May 2015, 10:22 pm #29
(22 May 2015, 10:05 pm)DaveyBowyer But because of this (and very frequently), the TEN is still 1 short because of the PVR increase from 13 to 14 vehicles and 6084 being needed on the TTX due to traffic and frequent RTA's.

Not really though as 3941/3942 were both previously Branded Spares for the TEN making a PVR of 15 alongside the B9TLs, 3941 was Repainted into Corporate Livery to make Allocations between the TEN/TTX more Flexible as were 3963/3964, while 3942 still carries a Silver Base with MetroRadio Sub-Branding rather than TEN Branding, Both Vehicles still appear on the TEN Network on a Daily Basis therefore the Allocation is as it should be with 14 Silver Vehicles and a Red Spare, so it isnt in fact 1 Vehicle short of the PVR at all.
Malarkey
22 May 2015, 10:22 pm #29

(22 May 2015, 10:05 pm)DaveyBowyer But because of this (and very frequently), the TEN is still 1 short because of the PVR increase from 13 to 14 vehicles and 6084 being needed on the TTX due to traffic and frequent RTA's.

Not really though as 3941/3942 were both previously Branded Spares for the TEN making a PVR of 15 alongside the B9TLs, 3941 was Repainted into Corporate Livery to make Allocations between the TEN/TTX more Flexible as were 3963/3964, while 3942 still carries a Silver Base with MetroRadio Sub-Branding rather than TEN Branding, Both Vehicles still appear on the TEN Network on a Daily Basis therefore the Allocation is as it should be with 14 Silver Vehicles and a Red Spare, so it isnt in fact 1 Vehicle short of the PVR at all.

L469 YVK



3,544
22 May 2015, 10:25 pm #30
The Pronto PVR in total is actually 7 because the X21 interworks with the X46. Therefore, the following could happen:

- 15 + 2 spare new deckers to Washington for Red Arrows.
- 6001 to 6007 to Crook alongside 3943 as a spare for Pronto Service X21.
- 6049 to Riverside for TTX spare primarily due to Tachograph.
- 6050 to Hexham and 6051 to Riverside as TEN spares.
- 6052 to Percy Main as Cobalt Clipper spare alongside 6117.
- 6053 to CLS as Angel spare alongside 3962.
- 6054 and 6055 to CLS and fitted with GKN mods for Angel to make up for PVR shortfall.
- 6084 remaining at Riverside but forming a permanent vehicle on the TEN and repainted / rebranded into TEN livery making up the PVR of 14 vehicles.

This then leaves:
- 3941, 3942, 3963, 3964, 3965

- 3941 would remain at Riverside as a Red Kite spare and last resort TEN spare. In total, Riverside would have 3 spare vehicles for a PVR of 12 B9TL routes (excluding X9 / X10 due to Tacho requirements) but 6049 would be summonsed if needed for the TTX.
- 3942 and 3963 transfer to Percy Main displacing 2x Northern Dennis Trident ELC Lolynes or Volvo B7TL Plaxton Presidents. These could be used on the scholars / Cobalt Clipper boards to keep an acceptable standard of vehicles during peak times (preferably the 16:40 and 17:40 309's from Haymarket). The 16:05 X39 from Cobalt to Newcastle and 16:10 309 from Newcastle to Blyth could be operated by some other suitable double deck vehicles or DDA compliant vehicles when the time comes due to fewer commuters at these times.
- 3964 and 3965 transfer to Percy Main displacing 2x non compliant DFDS Dennis Trident ELC Lolynes and work alongside 3890 and 3891.
Edited 22 May 2015, 10:26 pm by L469 YVK.
L469 YVK
22 May 2015, 10:25 pm #30

The Pronto PVR in total is actually 7 because the X21 interworks with the X46. Therefore, the following could happen:

- 15 + 2 spare new deckers to Washington for Red Arrows.
- 6001 to 6007 to Crook alongside 3943 as a spare for Pronto Service X21.
- 6049 to Riverside for TTX spare primarily due to Tachograph.
- 6050 to Hexham and 6051 to Riverside as TEN spares.
- 6052 to Percy Main as Cobalt Clipper spare alongside 6117.
- 6053 to CLS as Angel spare alongside 3962.
- 6054 and 6055 to CLS and fitted with GKN mods for Angel to make up for PVR shortfall.
- 6084 remaining at Riverside but forming a permanent vehicle on the TEN and repainted / rebranded into TEN livery making up the PVR of 14 vehicles.

This then leaves:
- 3941, 3942, 3963, 3964, 3965

- 3941 would remain at Riverside as a Red Kite spare and last resort TEN spare. In total, Riverside would have 3 spare vehicles for a PVR of 12 B9TL routes (excluding X9 / X10 due to Tacho requirements) but 6049 would be summonsed if needed for the TTX.
- 3942 and 3963 transfer to Percy Main displacing 2x Northern Dennis Trident ELC Lolynes or Volvo B7TL Plaxton Presidents. These could be used on the scholars / Cobalt Clipper boards to keep an acceptable standard of vehicles during peak times (preferably the 16:40 and 17:40 309's from Haymarket). The 16:05 X39 from Cobalt to Newcastle and 16:10 309 from Newcastle to Blyth could be operated by some other suitable double deck vehicles or DDA compliant vehicles when the time comes due to fewer commuters at these times.
- 3964 and 3965 transfer to Percy Main displacing 2x non compliant DFDS Dennis Trident ELC Lolynes and work alongside 3890 and 3891.

Kuyoyo



6,846
22 May 2015, 10:30 pm #31
(22 May 2015, 10:25 pm)DaveyBowyer The Pronto PVR in total is actually 7 because the X21 interworks with the X46. Therefore, the following could happen:

- 15 + 2 spare new deckers to Washington for Red Arrows.
- 6001 to 6007 to Crook alongside 3943 as a spare for Pronto Service X21.
- 6049 to Riverside for TTX spare primarily due to Tachograph.
- 6050 to Hexham and 6051 to Riverside as TEN spares.
- 6052 to Percy Main as Cobalt Clipper spare alongside 6117.
- 6053 to CLS as Angel spare alongside 3962.
- 6054 and 6055 to CLS and fitted with GKN mods for Angel to make up for PVR shortfall.
- 6084 remaining at Riverside but forming a permanent vehicle on the TEN and repainted / rebranded into TEN livery making up the PVR of 14 vehicles.

This then leaves:
- 3941, 3942, 3963, 3964, 3965

- 3941 would remain at Riverside as a Red Kite spare and last resort TEN spare. In total, Riverside would have 3 spare vehicles for a PVR of 12 B9TL routes (excluding X9 / X10 due to Tacho requirements) but 6049 would be summonsed if needed for the TTX.
- 3942 and 3963 transfer to Percy Main displacing 2x Northern Dennis Trident ELC Lolynes or Volvo B7TL Plaxton Presidents. These could be used on the scholars / Cobalt Clipper boards to keep an acceptable standard of vehicles during peak times (preferably the 16:40 and 17:40 309's from Haymarket). The 16:05 X39 from Cobalt to Newcastle and 16:10 309 from Newcastle to Blyth could be operated by some other suitable double deck vehicles or DDA compliant vehicles when the time comes due to fewer commuters at these times.
- 3964 and 3965 transfer to Percy Main displacing 2x non compliant DFDS Dennis Trident ELC Lolynes and work alongside 3890 and 3891.

The Pronto PVR is 6 not 7! The X46 is a position journey at the start or end of one or more of the 6 boards to get the vehicle from Durham to Crook or vice versa.

PVR is peak vehicle requirement (ie the maximum number of vehicles used on a route during the day) not how many buses are branded for a route.
Kuyoyo
22 May 2015, 10:30 pm #31

(22 May 2015, 10:25 pm)DaveyBowyer The Pronto PVR in total is actually 7 because the X21 interworks with the X46. Therefore, the following could happen:

- 15 + 2 spare new deckers to Washington for Red Arrows.
- 6001 to 6007 to Crook alongside 3943 as a spare for Pronto Service X21.
- 6049 to Riverside for TTX spare primarily due to Tachograph.
- 6050 to Hexham and 6051 to Riverside as TEN spares.
- 6052 to Percy Main as Cobalt Clipper spare alongside 6117.
- 6053 to CLS as Angel spare alongside 3962.
- 6054 and 6055 to CLS and fitted with GKN mods for Angel to make up for PVR shortfall.
- 6084 remaining at Riverside but forming a permanent vehicle on the TEN and repainted / rebranded into TEN livery making up the PVR of 14 vehicles.

This then leaves:
- 3941, 3942, 3963, 3964, 3965

- 3941 would remain at Riverside as a Red Kite spare and last resort TEN spare. In total, Riverside would have 3 spare vehicles for a PVR of 12 B9TL routes (excluding X9 / X10 due to Tacho requirements) but 6049 would be summonsed if needed for the TTX.
- 3942 and 3963 transfer to Percy Main displacing 2x Northern Dennis Trident ELC Lolynes or Volvo B7TL Plaxton Presidents. These could be used on the scholars / Cobalt Clipper boards to keep an acceptable standard of vehicles during peak times (preferably the 16:40 and 17:40 309's from Haymarket). The 16:05 X39 from Cobalt to Newcastle and 16:10 309 from Newcastle to Blyth could be operated by some other suitable double deck vehicles or DDA compliant vehicles when the time comes due to fewer commuters at these times.
- 3964 and 3965 transfer to Percy Main displacing 2x non compliant DFDS Dennis Trident ELC Lolynes and work alongside 3890 and 3891.

The Pronto PVR is 6 not 7! The X46 is a position journey at the start or end of one or more of the 6 boards to get the vehicle from Durham to Crook or vice versa.

PVR is peak vehicle requirement (ie the maximum number of vehicles used on a route during the day) not how many buses are branded for a route.

L469 YVK



3,544
22 May 2015, 10:35 pm #32
(22 May 2015, 10:30 pm)Kuyoyo The Pronto PVR is 6 not 7! The X46 is a position journey at the start or end of one or more of the 6 boards to get the vehicle from Durham to Crook or vice versa.

PVR is peak vehicle requirement (ie the maximum number of vehicles used on a route during the day) not how many buses are branded for a route.

Well cheers for that, well that could then mean another B9 for Riverside or Percy Main then.
L469 YVK
22 May 2015, 10:35 pm #32

(22 May 2015, 10:30 pm)Kuyoyo The Pronto PVR is 6 not 7! The X46 is a position journey at the start or end of one or more of the 6 boards to get the vehicle from Durham to Crook or vice versa.

PVR is peak vehicle requirement (ie the maximum number of vehicles used on a route during the day) not how many buses are branded for a route.

Well cheers for that, well that could then mean another B9 for Riverside or Percy Main then.

Davie

Banned

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22 May 2015, 10:54 pm #33
(22 May 2015, 10:35 pm)DaveyBowyer Well cheers for that, well that could then mean another B9 for Riverside or Percy Main then.

What about Deptford? 6055 Could transfer there and act as a spare along with 6099 & 6100
Davie
22 May 2015, 10:54 pm #33

(22 May 2015, 10:35 pm)DaveyBowyer Well cheers for that, well that could then mean another B9 for Riverside or Percy Main then.

What about Deptford? 6055 Could transfer there and act as a spare along with 6099 & 6100

L469 YVK



3,544
22 May 2015, 11:14 pm #34
(22 May 2015, 10:54 pm)Davie What about Deptford? 6055 Could transfer there and act as a spare along with 6099 & 6100

Got it good though, Riverside / Hexham, Chester and Percy are in more need. If another B9 went to Riverside, 3941 could go to Percy Main meaning that all Cobalt Clipper 309s would operate using an acceptable vehicle including all peak time workings fed from scholars buses.
L469 YVK
22 May 2015, 11:14 pm #34

(22 May 2015, 10:54 pm)Davie What about Deptford? 6055 Could transfer there and act as a spare along with 6099 & 6100

Got it good though, Riverside / Hexham, Chester and Percy are in more need. If another B9 went to Riverside, 3941 could go to Percy Main meaning that all Cobalt Clipper 309s would operate using an acceptable vehicle including all peak time workings fed from scholars buses.

Dan

Site Administrator

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23 May 2015, 4:29 am #35
(22 May 2015, 10:30 pm)Kuyoyo The Pronto PVR is 6 not 7! The X46 is a position journey at the start or end of one or more of the 6 boards to get the vehicle from Durham to Crook or vice versa.

PVR is peak vehicle requirement (ie the maximum number of vehicles used on a route during the day) not how many buses are branded for a route.

As you recently played this card in the Arriva North East section of the forum, let me play it now here. Are you suggesting the company documentation is wrong - that Crook's double deck PVR is 6 opposed to 7? My copies were last updated in March, so I can't imagine anything has changed since then...

To be blunt: let's stop this mindless speculation on what the PVR at Crook is and just accept that it is 7 vehicles. The PEAK vehicle requirement is the amount of vehicles that depot requires to operate the service at PEAK times, which tends to be the maximum number of vehicles during the entire day.

Contrary to the speculation prior to this post, the seventh board is not the board which forms the peak-time positioning X46 journeys. They do interwork with the X21s, so do not add to the PVR.

nk55's post did throw me somewhat, but to my knowledge the seventh Crook-operated board is made up by the following journeys:
- 0805 #X21 (Durham - Bishop Auckland College)
- 1630 #X21 (Bishop Auckland College - Bus Station)
- 1638 #X21 (Bishop Auckland - Newcastle)
- 1810 #X21 (Newcastle - Bishop Auckland)
Leaves Crook Depot on a morning at 07:35 and gets back for 19:42 on a night, spending the majority of the day from 09:05 to 16:15 within the depot too (or bus station, if Crook needs a spare to linger around).
The 17:00 #X21 (Bishop Auckland College - Durham) is the journey which is part of the normal daytime X21 PVR.

Crook would be stuffed if they only had six buses to operate the X21 when, at peak times, they require seven buses, wouldn't they? If/when the X21 is upgraded, I am inclined to suggest that Crook will retain seven branded vehicles plus one corporate liveried spare, as per most other services.
Dan
23 May 2015, 4:29 am #35

(22 May 2015, 10:30 pm)Kuyoyo The Pronto PVR is 6 not 7! The X46 is a position journey at the start or end of one or more of the 6 boards to get the vehicle from Durham to Crook or vice versa.

PVR is peak vehicle requirement (ie the maximum number of vehicles used on a route during the day) not how many buses are branded for a route.

As you recently played this card in the Arriva North East section of the forum, let me play it now here. Are you suggesting the company documentation is wrong - that Crook's double deck PVR is 6 opposed to 7? My copies were last updated in March, so I can't imagine anything has changed since then...

To be blunt: let's stop this mindless speculation on what the PVR at Crook is and just accept that it is 7 vehicles. The PEAK vehicle requirement is the amount of vehicles that depot requires to operate the service at PEAK times, which tends to be the maximum number of vehicles during the entire day.

Contrary to the speculation prior to this post, the seventh board is not the board which forms the peak-time positioning X46 journeys. They do interwork with the X21s, so do not add to the PVR.

nk55's post did throw me somewhat, but to my knowledge the seventh Crook-operated board is made up by the following journeys:
- 0805 #X21 (Durham - Bishop Auckland College)
- 1630 #X21 (Bishop Auckland College - Bus Station)
- 1638 #X21 (Bishop Auckland - Newcastle)
- 1810 #X21 (Newcastle - Bishop Auckland)
Leaves Crook Depot on a morning at 07:35 and gets back for 19:42 on a night, spending the majority of the day from 09:05 to 16:15 within the depot too (or bus station, if Crook needs a spare to linger around).
The 17:00 #X21 (Bishop Auckland College - Durham) is the journey which is part of the normal daytime X21 PVR.

Crook would be stuffed if they only had six buses to operate the X21 when, at peak times, they require seven buses, wouldn't they? If/when the X21 is upgraded, I am inclined to suggest that Crook will retain seven branded vehicles plus one corporate liveried spare, as per most other services.

pdiddy



264
23 May 2015, 6:40 am #36
The PVR for the X21 is now 7.

The seventh board does the X21 from Durham to Bishop college, then a taxi to Crook at 11:29. Then does the 16:34 X21 to Newcastle and back to Bishop

So 7 buses for the X21 , 2 for the 18s and one spare (supposed to be 6038) to cover 18s and X21s

I wrote that... don't know how it went under your name Dan!!!
Edited 23 May 2015, 6:41 am by pdiddy.
pdiddy
23 May 2015, 6:40 am #36

The PVR for the X21 is now 7.

The seventh board does the X21 from Durham to Bishop college, then a taxi to Crook at 11:29. Then does the 16:34 X21 to Newcastle and back to Bishop

So 7 buses for the X21 , 2 for the 18s and one spare (supposed to be 6038) to cover 18s and X21s

I wrote that... don't know how it went under your name Dan!!!

Dan

Site Administrator

18,099
23 May 2015, 6:44 am #37
(23 May 2015, 6:40 am)pdiddy The PVR for the X21 is now 7.

The seventh board does the X21 from Durham to Bishop college, then a taxi to Crook at 11:29. Then does the 16:34 X21 to Newcastle and back to Bishop

So 7 buses for the X21 , 2 for the 18s and one spare (supposed to be 6038) to cover 18s and X21s

I wrote that... don't know how it went under your name Dan!!!

Sorted. Wink 

I'd checked it against multiple sources before stating that the PVR was 7 - knew they couldn't all be wrong... Works out at an 11.1% spare vehicle percentage for the entire depot, which is slightly lower than company average (approximately 15%).
Dan
23 May 2015, 6:44 am #37

(23 May 2015, 6:40 am)pdiddy The PVR for the X21 is now 7.

The seventh board does the X21 from Durham to Bishop college, then a taxi to Crook at 11:29. Then does the 16:34 X21 to Newcastle and back to Bishop

So 7 buses for the X21 , 2 for the 18s and one spare (supposed to be 6038) to cover 18s and X21s

I wrote that... don't know how it went under your name Dan!!!

Sorted. Wink 

I'd checked it against multiple sources before stating that the PVR was 7 - knew they couldn't all be wrong... Works out at an 11.1% spare vehicle percentage for the entire depot, which is slightly lower than company average (approximately 15%).

L469 YVK



3,544
23 May 2015, 12:01 pm #38
What they could even do to replace the Pronto at Crook is this if the TEN series could be timetabled so that all Hexham journeys are Hexham operated and all journeys to Low Prudhoe and Rockwood Hill are Riverside operated:

- 8 + 1 spare new E400MMCs to Riverside for services 10A / 10B.
- 6071 to 6076 to Hexham for service 10 alongside 3942 as a spare.
- 6077 to 6083 to Crook alongside 3941 from Riverside for Pronto services.
- 6084 to Riverside as a permanent TTX spare vehicle.

This is what the numbers from Riverside, Hexham and Crook would look like then:

Riverside
- 8x TEN branded E400MMCs for services 10A / 10B.
- 4x Red Kite branded B9TLs for service 47.
- 6x TTX branded B9TLs for services X9 / X10.
- 1x corporate liveried E400MMC as a spare for services 10 / 10B.
- 1x corporate liveried B9TL as a spare for services X9 / X10.
- 2x corporate liveried B7TLs as last resort spares for TEN / TTX and primarily service 47.

Hexham
- 6x TEN branded B9TLs for service 10.
- 1x corporate liveried B7TL as a spare for service 10.

Crook
- 7x Pronto branded B9TLs for services X21 / X46.
- 1x corporate liveried B7TL as a spare for services X21 / X46.

The spare E400MMC could be fitted with a Tachograph so that 6084 and or the spare E400MMC could be used on the X9 / X10 if needed. Also, this would allow GNE to test the E400MMC in tougher conditions and on arguably, it's toughest routes and if proved successful, GNE could then consider this as a future vehicle option for orders. Also, allocating E400MMCs to services 10A and 10B despite the routes not being too demanding, would allow GNE to test the capability of this vehicle type on various roads such as Stonyflat Bank, and the fast paced A695 and joining the A184 from the Teams and picking up speed on the incline towards the Askew Road Junction / Redheugh Bridge.
L469 YVK
23 May 2015, 12:01 pm #38

What they could even do to replace the Pronto at Crook is this if the TEN series could be timetabled so that all Hexham journeys are Hexham operated and all journeys to Low Prudhoe and Rockwood Hill are Riverside operated:

- 8 + 1 spare new E400MMCs to Riverside for services 10A / 10B.
- 6071 to 6076 to Hexham for service 10 alongside 3942 as a spare.
- 6077 to 6083 to Crook alongside 3941 from Riverside for Pronto services.
- 6084 to Riverside as a permanent TTX spare vehicle.

This is what the numbers from Riverside, Hexham and Crook would look like then:

Riverside
- 8x TEN branded E400MMCs for services 10A / 10B.
- 4x Red Kite branded B9TLs for service 47.
- 6x TTX branded B9TLs for services X9 / X10.
- 1x corporate liveried E400MMC as a spare for services 10 / 10B.
- 1x corporate liveried B9TL as a spare for services X9 / X10.
- 2x corporate liveried B7TLs as last resort spares for TEN / TTX and primarily service 47.

Hexham
- 6x TEN branded B9TLs for service 10.
- 1x corporate liveried B7TL as a spare for service 10.

Crook
- 7x Pronto branded B9TLs for services X21 / X46.
- 1x corporate liveried B7TL as a spare for services X21 / X46.

The spare E400MMC could be fitted with a Tachograph so that 6084 and or the spare E400MMC could be used on the X9 / X10 if needed. Also, this would allow GNE to test the E400MMC in tougher conditions and on arguably, it's toughest routes and if proved successful, GNE could then consider this as a future vehicle option for orders. Also, allocating E400MMCs to services 10A and 10B despite the routes not being too demanding, would allow GNE to test the capability of this vehicle type on various roads such as Stonyflat Bank, and the fast paced A695 and joining the A184 from the Teams and picking up speed on the incline towards the Askew Road Junction / Redheugh Bridge.

Malarkey



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24 May 2015, 9:08 pm #39
Just a thought if Go North East were to trade in the Withdrawn Wright Cadets for a Batch of Streetlites, what would the Percentage of Discount be if the Vehicles were to Standard Specification.
Malarkey
24 May 2015, 9:08 pm #39

Just a thought if Go North East were to trade in the Withdrawn Wright Cadets for a Batch of Streetlites, what would the Percentage of Discount be if the Vehicles were to Standard Specification.

Dan

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25 May 2015, 5:02 am #40
(24 May 2015, 9:08 pm)Malarkey Just a thought if Go North East were to trade in the Withdrawn Wright Cadets for a Batch of Streetlites, what would the Percentage of Discount be if the Vehicles were to Standard Specification.

Not sure if Wrights have a part exchange facility like Optare?

Can't imagine the Cadets will have a very high book value now. Still probably wouldn't be worth doing.
Dan
25 May 2015, 5:02 am #40

(24 May 2015, 9:08 pm)Malarkey Just a thought if Go North East were to trade in the Withdrawn Wright Cadets for a Batch of Streetlites, what would the Percentage of Discount be if the Vehicles were to Standard Specification.

Not sure if Wrights have a part exchange facility like Optare?

Can't imagine the Cadets will have a very high book value now. Still probably wouldn't be worth doing.

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