No - those that operate a route of no longer than 50 km (31 miles) don't need tachographs.
The drivers still have to comply with UK drivers' hours of course.
Some operators split longer routes into sections under 50 km long.
This is considered an acceptable 'fudge'.
The bus and driver continue, but the destination is changed.
Arriva run their 685 from Newcastle to Carlisle via Haydon Bridge.
(18 Aug 2015, 9:44 pm)BusLoverMum Internally, it's very uninspiring and ordinary. When it's doing any sort of speed, there's a deep painful noise from the engine that goes right through you - it sounds strained and it rattles like hell. Defo more suited to more local routes. Would be fine on the 21 route to CLS but is awful on the A167 stretch towards Durham. Would be a good bus if the loop needed more capacity.
And I hate the external look, but I hate silver cars, too. They look bald. It's exaggerated on this by the shallow windows, somewhat.
(18 Aug 2015, 9:57 pm)Jimmi Looks can be deceiving! It's not the best in terms of speed, I had another ride on it on Friday afternoon and wasn't it wasn't great, you can even tell just by riding it that it's slow. I don't think it's the ideal choice for the X21, would be fine on say a cross city/town route but I don't feel it's a perfect fit for the X21.
(18 Aug 2015, 9:44 pm)BusLoverMum Internally, it's very uninspiring and ordinary. When it's doing any sort of speed, there's a deep painful noise from the engine that goes right through you - it sounds strained and it rattles like hell. Defo more suited to more local routes. Would be fine on the 21 route to CLS but is awful on the A167 stretch towards Durham. Would be a good bus if the loop needed more capacity.
And I hate the external look, but I hate silver cars, too. They look bald. It's exaggerated on this by the shallow windows, somewhat.
(18 Aug 2015, 9:57 pm)Jimmi Looks can be deceiving! It's not the best in terms of speed, I had another ride on it on Friday afternoon and wasn't it wasn't great, you can even tell just by riding it that it's slow. I don't think it's the ideal choice for the X21, would be fine on say a cross city/town route but I don't feel it's a perfect fit for the X21.
(19 Aug 2015, 8:00 am)mb134 Doesn't sound great then, I'm not a fan of the interiors of Arriva Geminis, I find everything very dull and, like you find the demonstrator, ordinary.
If it's sounding strained now, I can't imagine what it'll be like after 5 years on the route...
Although it seems slow when riding, have you ever been on it and it's been late, maybe the driver has just been driving a bit slower to avoid running early?
I can't imagine it being bang on time on every journey though, so I hope for the sake of X21 passengers, GNE go for the E400MMC.
(19 Aug 2015, 8:00 am)mb134 Doesn't sound great then, I'm not a fan of the interiors of Arriva Geminis, I find everything very dull and, like you find the demonstrator, ordinary.
If it's sounding strained now, I can't imagine what it'll be like after 5 years on the route...
Although it seems slow when riding, have you ever been on it and it's been late, maybe the driver has just been driving a bit slower to avoid running early?
I can't imagine it being bang on time on every journey though, so I hope for the sake of X21 passengers, GNE go for the E400MMC.
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I'd be surprised if it gets anywhere near being early with its performance. I'm lead to believe it's been tweaked somewhat now but it's still limited to 50mph (as are all Wright Street products) which I expect will get found out badly on the X9/X10.
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Looking at the early and late running over the course of an entire day gives a good representation (at least to this forum) of the StreetDeck's performance on service X21. Clearly, there are other factors that Go North East management would have to consider when evaluating suitability of a vehicle type on certain routes.
I believe that the maximum delay the StreetDeck incurred yesterday on service X21 was 6 minutes - once in Gateshead (in a queue of traffic once you come out of Gateshead Interchange), and once on the Bishop Auckland to Durham stretch. In both instances, the bus was on-time again within 30 minutes (although admittedly in the former instance this was primarily owing to layover at Newcastle). With this in mind; either Go North East has a pretty loose schedule for the X21, or the StreetDeck is capable of running on-time for most of the day..?
By what I can gather, contrary to what tyresmoke said he would have thought, early running is prevalent on the StreetDeck. Indeed, I noticed that there was quite a few instances of the StreetDeck running over 1 minute early yesterday (although drivers stopped at the nearest timing points to alleviate any additional early running). Time appears to be easily made up on the A1(M) and A167, where, despite the engine sounding strained, must provide sufficient power and speed. Alas, I doubt I'll be able to say this for the X9/X10, but time will tell when the StreetDeck eventually transfers to Riverside. The additional power on the ADL Enviro400MMC may be beneficial at peak times where delays owing to heavy traffic and passenger loadings are more likely, but it's certainly not absolutely needed.
We must keep in mind that it's difficult to compare the two demonstrator vehicles like-for-like from a passenger perspective, as the luxury provided on the ADL Enviro400MMC would win every time. Obviously we know that Esteban Civic V3 seating (ie what the StreetDeck has with headrests) is standard on Go North East's new vehicles on longer-distance services, and it's unlikely that we'd see Go North East move away from this type of seating for the X21 in my opinion, although I'd suggest that there's scope for long-distance express services to have tables in the future, depending if this feedback is given on the survey Go North East is running regarding the StreetDeck..?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0DQep-HMoNg
Video of the East Durham launch.
I counted at least 3 'members'
(19 Aug 2015, 10:23 am)Andreos1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0DQep-HMoNg
Video of the East Durham launch.
I counted at least 3 'members'
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(19 Aug 2015, 10:23 am)Andreos1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0DQep-HMoNg
Video of the East Durham launch.
I counted at least 3 'members'
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(19 Aug 2015, 10:23 am)Andreos1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0DQep-HMoNg
Video of the East Durham launch.
I counted at least 3 'members'
(19 Aug 2015, 10:23 am)Andreos1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0DQep-HMoNg
Video of the East Durham launch.
I counted at least 3 'members'
(19 Aug 2015, 10:23 am)Andreos1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0DQep-HMoNg
Video of the East Durham launch.
I counted at least 3 'members'
(19 Aug 2015, 10:23 am)Andreos1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0DQep-HMoNg
Video of the East Durham launch.
I counted at least 3 'members'
Don't suppose anyone has seen new Crusader liveried 5300 today?
Think that's the right fleet number.
(19 Aug 2015, 9:03 am)tyresmoke I'd be surprised if it gets anywhere near being early with its performance. I'm lead to believe it's been tweaked somewhat now but it's still limited to 50mph (as are all Wright Street products) which I expect will get found out badly on the X9/X10.
(19 Aug 2015, 9:03 am)tyresmoke I'd be surprised if it gets anywhere near being early with its performance. I'm lead to believe it's been tweaked somewhat now but it's still limited to 50mph (as are all Wright Street products) which I expect will get found out badly on the X9/X10.
What Diamond Citaro was being prepared for repaint at Saltmeadows on Monday?
(19 Aug 2015, 2:07 pm)GX03 SVC What Diamond Citaro was being prepared for repaint at Saltmeadows on Monday?
(19 Aug 2015, 10:23 am)Andreos1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0DQep-HMoNg
Video of the East Durham launch.
I counted at least 3 'members'
(19 Aug 2015, 11:54 am)danpick Me and Davie are in it.
(19 Aug 2015, 10:23 am)Andreos1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0DQep-HMoNg
Video of the East Durham launch.
I counted at least 3 'members'
(19 Aug 2015, 11:54 am)danpick Me and Davie are in it.
(19 Aug 2015, 8:25 pm)Diamond One yes one was me dan dan davie
Dan...and our young friend Peter, who views the forum (so I'm told!)
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