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Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - March 2016

 
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01 Mar 2016, 6:50 pm #21
(01 Mar 2016, 6:44 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com 7458 should move to ashington as a spare

That would be as much use on the X21/X22 as everything else they have, for gods sake. They have spares but not enough Sapphires!
omnicity4659
01 Mar 2016, 6:50 pm #21

(01 Mar 2016, 6:44 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com 7458 should move to ashington as a spare

That would be as much use on the X21/X22 as everything else they have, for gods sake. They have spares but not enough Sapphires!

DanPicken

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01 Mar 2016, 6:51 pm #22
(01 Mar 2016, 6:49 pm)GX03 SVC They do have two spares. 7509 is branded and 7518 is generic.

Ah, I thought 7509 was part of the PVR.
DanPicken
01 Mar 2016, 6:51 pm #22

(01 Mar 2016, 6:49 pm)GX03 SVC They do have two spares. 7509 is branded and 7518 is generic.

Ah, I thought 7509 was part of the PVR.

01 Mar 2016, 6:52 pm #23
(01 Mar 2016, 6:51 pm)DanPicken Ah, I thought 7509 was part of the PVR.

No, it's a spare vehicle albeit branded for the X21/X22.
omnicity4659
01 Mar 2016, 6:52 pm #23

(01 Mar 2016, 6:51 pm)DanPicken Ah, I thought 7509 was part of the PVR.

No, it's a spare vehicle albeit branded for the X21/X22.

mb134



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01 Mar 2016, 6:53 pm #24
(01 Mar 2016, 6:50 pm)GX03 SVC That would be as much use on the X21/X22 as everything else they have, for gods sake. They have spares but not enough Sapphires!

*wishes like button still existed*

All three StreetLites on there today? I saw 1581, and I'm sure other posts say 1579/80 were also on...
mb134
01 Mar 2016, 6:53 pm #24

(01 Mar 2016, 6:50 pm)GX03 SVC That would be as much use on the X21/X22 as everything else they have, for gods sake. They have spares but not enough Sapphires!

*wishes like button still existed*

All three StreetLites on there today? I saw 1581, and I'm sure other posts say 1579/80 were also on...

Jimmi



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01 Mar 2016, 7:13 pm #25
There's always going to be issues with allocations of buses with route branding, especially when things go wrong within the branded fleet.

It's not just unique with Ashington depot either, Belmont seemed to be struggling with their Sapphire allocations today, the three spares they have all got deployed on the 22 and 24 this morning but unfortunately 1523 still appears to be missing, so with that missing and the three spares filling in on other Sapphire services the 7 ended up with Sapphire 6 branded 1531 today. A Sapphire 24 E400 also popped up on the 6. I think (I may be wrong) that one of the Sapphire 6 E400's developed a fault this morning. At around 14:30 a Sapphire 6 Pulsar got taken off the 6 and replaced with Lowlander 7439 probably because there was no other suitable replacement.

Another depot with similar issues to Ashington depot is Darlington depot, we have frequent missing branded buses from the MAX X26/X27 and X66/X67 services with standard specification buses having to fill in, often a Pulsar or Solo which don't have WiFi has to be used in place of a Omnicity, hopefully this will happen less now 1406 and the three Omnicitys for the X75/X76 are back from MAX refurbishment. Similar story for the Sapphire 7 as well.
Jimmi
01 Mar 2016, 7:13 pm #25

There's always going to be issues with allocations of buses with route branding, especially when things go wrong within the branded fleet.

It's not just unique with Ashington depot either, Belmont seemed to be struggling with their Sapphire allocations today, the three spares they have all got deployed on the 22 and 24 this morning but unfortunately 1523 still appears to be missing, so with that missing and the three spares filling in on other Sapphire services the 7 ended up with Sapphire 6 branded 1531 today. A Sapphire 24 E400 also popped up on the 6. I think (I may be wrong) that one of the Sapphire 6 E400's developed a fault this morning. At around 14:30 a Sapphire 6 Pulsar got taken off the 6 and replaced with Lowlander 7439 probably because there was no other suitable replacement.

Another depot with similar issues to Ashington depot is Darlington depot, we have frequent missing branded buses from the MAX X26/X27 and X66/X67 services with standard specification buses having to fill in, often a Pulsar or Solo which don't have WiFi has to be used in place of a Omnicity, hopefully this will happen less now 1406 and the three Omnicitys for the X75/X76 are back from MAX refurbishment. Similar story for the Sapphire 7 as well.

Kuyoyo



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01 Mar 2016, 7:16 pm #26
1451 on the 17, 1917 worked a single trip on the 7 this afternoon.

[Image: 25048362889_a4b9dcfb9c_c.jpg]Arriva North East 1451 (NK10 CFU) by Tony Kuy, on Flickr

One of Whitby's B9TLs appeared to be on the 22/64/64a.
Edited 01 Mar 2016, 11:06 pm by Kuyoyo.
Kuyoyo
01 Mar 2016, 7:16 pm #26

1451 on the 17, 1917 worked a single trip on the 7 this afternoon.

[Image: 25048362889_a4b9dcfb9c_c.jpg]Arriva North East 1451 (NK10 CFU) by Tony Kuy, on Flickr

One of Whitby's B9TLs appeared to be on the 22/64/64a.

01 Mar 2016, 7:36 pm #27
(01 Mar 2016, 6:53 pm)mb134 *wishes like button still existed*

All three StreetLites on there today? I saw 1581, and I'm sure other posts say 1579/80 were also on...

I might have seen 1580 and 1581. Whatever I saw would have been the 1520ish from Regent Centre as I found 1580 on the X21 in Stakeford later on.

All I can remember is the number plate was either an A or a H...lol
omnicity4659
01 Mar 2016, 7:36 pm #27

(01 Mar 2016, 6:53 pm)mb134 *wishes like button still existed*

All three StreetLites on there today? I saw 1581, and I'm sure other posts say 1579/80 were also on...

I might have seen 1580 and 1581. Whatever I saw would have been the 1520ish from Regent Centre as I found 1580 on the X21 in Stakeford later on.

All I can remember is the number plate was either an A or a H...lol

01 Mar 2016, 8:05 pm #28
(01 Mar 2016, 7:36 pm)GX03 SVC I might have seen 1580 and 1581. Whatever I saw would have been the 1520ish from Regent Centre as I found 1580 on the X21 in Stakeford later on.

All I can remember is the number plate was either an A or a H...lol

I know this was mentioned a few days ago about the Sapphire E400s but...
The fact Streetlites have been constantly allocated to the X21/X22 for more than a week is quite worrying.
South Tyne Lad
01 Mar 2016, 8:05 pm #28

(01 Mar 2016, 7:36 pm)GX03 SVC I might have seen 1580 and 1581. Whatever I saw would have been the 1520ish from Regent Centre as I found 1580 on the X21 in Stakeford later on.

All I can remember is the number plate was either an A or a H...lol

I know this was mentioned a few days ago about the Sapphire E400s but...
The fact Streetlites have been constantly allocated to the X21/X22 for more than a week is quite worrying.

01 Mar 2016, 8:18 pm #29
(01 Mar 2016, 8:05 pm)South Tyne Lad I know this was mentioned a few days ago about the Sapphire E400s but...
The fact Streetlites have been constantly allocated to the X21/X22 for more than a week is quite worrying.

It certainly is. Especially as the X21/X22 was in the second batch of services to be upgraded, it's quite an established Sapphire route, it peaked 90% reliability. 

Something needs to be done about the older E400s on the X21/X22. And also the spare vehicles need to be refurbished into Arriva 2014 spec with high back seats and power sockets so the spare fleet can be used anywhere, this includes the 35 branded StreetLites and VLAs.
omnicity4659
01 Mar 2016, 8:18 pm #29

(01 Mar 2016, 8:05 pm)South Tyne Lad I know this was mentioned a few days ago about the Sapphire E400s but...
The fact Streetlites have been constantly allocated to the X21/X22 for more than a week is quite worrying.

It certainly is. Especially as the X21/X22 was in the second batch of services to be upgraded, it's quite an established Sapphire route, it peaked 90% reliability. 

Something needs to be done about the older E400s on the X21/X22. And also the spare vehicles need to be refurbished into Arriva 2014 spec with high back seats and power sockets so the spare fleet can be used anywhere, this includes the 35 branded StreetLites and VLAs.

Jimmi



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01 Mar 2016, 8:20 pm #30
We must be less fussy in the Darlington area, we don't tend to go on rants if a Solo ends up on the X66/X67 which is the same as StreetLite's appearing on the X21/X22 which has been mentioned repeatedly almost every day for the last fortnight.
Jimmi
01 Mar 2016, 8:20 pm #30

We must be less fussy in the Darlington area, we don't tend to go on rants if a Solo ends up on the X66/X67 which is the same as StreetLite's appearing on the X21/X22 which has been mentioned repeatedly almost every day for the last fortnight.

MrPottski



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01 Mar 2016, 8:34 pm #31
(01 Mar 2016, 8:20 pm)Jimmi We must be less fussy in the Darlington area, we don't tend to go on rants if a Solo ends up on the X66/X67 which is the same as StreetLite's appearing on the X21/X22 which has been mentioned repeatedly almost every day for the last fortnight.

To be honest, it's a Scania operated route, they are destined to fail, so it's a given! They are getting bad again, heaters failing during this cold snap is the worst but problems with electrics, doors and suspension are common as well. But, at least they'll never be fitted with EconoSpeed.
MrPottski
01 Mar 2016, 8:34 pm #31

(01 Mar 2016, 8:20 pm)Jimmi We must be less fussy in the Darlington area, we don't tend to go on rants if a Solo ends up on the X66/X67 which is the same as StreetLite's appearing on the X21/X22 which has been mentioned repeatedly almost every day for the last fortnight.

To be honest, it's a Scania operated route, they are destined to fail, so it's a given! They are getting bad again, heaters failing during this cold snap is the worst but problems with electrics, doors and suspension are common as well. But, at least they'll never be fitted with EconoSpeed.

Jimmi



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01 Mar 2016, 8:36 pm #32
(01 Mar 2016, 8:34 pm)MrPottski To be honest, it's a Scania operated route, they are destined to fail, so it's a given! They are getting bad again, heaters failing during this cold snap is the worst but problems with electrics, doors and suspension are common as well. But, at least they'll never be fitted with EconoSpeed.

Been hearing non favourable things about that in the last week or so.
Jimmi
01 Mar 2016, 8:36 pm #32

(01 Mar 2016, 8:34 pm)MrPottski To be honest, it's a Scania operated route, they are destined to fail, so it's a given! They are getting bad again, heaters failing during this cold snap is the worst but problems with electrics, doors and suspension are common as well. But, at least they'll never be fitted with EconoSpeed.

Been hearing non favourable things about that in the last week or so.

mb134



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01 Mar 2016, 9:12 pm #33
(01 Mar 2016, 7:36 pm)GX03 SVC I might have seen 1580 and 1581. Whatever I saw would have been the 1520ish from Regent Centre as I found 1580 on the X21 in Stakeford later on.

All I can remember is the number plate was either an A or a H...lol
'EEA' would be 1579, not 1580 Wink

(01 Mar 2016, 8:20 pm)Jimmi We must be less fussy in the Darlington area, we don't tend to go on rants if a Solo ends up on the X66/X67 which is the same as StreetLite's appearing on the X21/X22 which has been mentioned repeatedly almost every day for the last fortnight.
This is exactly the problem though, StreetLites have been appearing pretty much every day on the X21/22. And as this is a 'Rare & Odd Workings' thread, it's what should be mentioned...
mb134
01 Mar 2016, 9:12 pm #33

(01 Mar 2016, 7:36 pm)GX03 SVC I might have seen 1580 and 1581. Whatever I saw would have been the 1520ish from Regent Centre as I found 1580 on the X21 in Stakeford later on.

All I can remember is the number plate was either an A or a H...lol
'EEA' would be 1579, not 1580 Wink

(01 Mar 2016, 8:20 pm)Jimmi We must be less fussy in the Darlington area, we don't tend to go on rants if a Solo ends up on the X66/X67 which is the same as StreetLite's appearing on the X21/X22 which has been mentioned repeatedly almost every day for the last fortnight.
This is exactly the problem though, StreetLites have been appearing pretty much every day on the X21/22. And as this is a 'Rare & Odd Workings' thread, it's what should be mentioned...

01 Mar 2016, 9:14 pm #34
(01 Mar 2016, 9:12 pm)mb134 'EEA' would be 1579, not 1580 Wink

I know, I can't remember if it was 79 or 81 I saw pulling out of regent centre earlier. 80 passed me in Stakeford later on.
omnicity4659
01 Mar 2016, 9:14 pm #34

(01 Mar 2016, 9:12 pm)mb134 'EEA' would be 1579, not 1580 Wink

I know, I can't remember if it was 79 or 81 I saw pulling out of regent centre earlier. 80 passed me in Stakeford later on.

mb134



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01 Mar 2016, 9:24 pm #35
(01 Mar 2016, 9:14 pm)GX03 SVC I know, I can't remember if it was 79 or 81 I saw pulling out of regent centre earlier. 80 passed me in Stakeford later on.

Ah, which way was it going through Regent Centre?

I passed 1581 in Bedlington Station at 16:15, heading towards Newbiggin on an X21
mb134
01 Mar 2016, 9:24 pm #35

(01 Mar 2016, 9:14 pm)GX03 SVC I know, I can't remember if it was 79 or 81 I saw pulling out of regent centre earlier. 80 passed me in Stakeford later on.

Ah, which way was it going through Regent Centre?

I passed 1581 in Bedlington Station at 16:15, heading towards Newbiggin on an X21

01 Mar 2016, 9:25 pm #36
(01 Mar 2016, 9:24 pm)mb134 Ah, which way was it going through Regent Centre?

I passed 1581 in Bedlington Station at 16:15, heading towards Newbiggin on an X21

It was toon bound, that's the one!
omnicity4659
01 Mar 2016, 9:25 pm #36

(01 Mar 2016, 9:24 pm)mb134 Ah, which way was it going through Regent Centre?

I passed 1581 in Bedlington Station at 16:15, heading towards Newbiggin on an X21

It was toon bound, that's the one!

tyresmoke



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01 Mar 2016, 10:44 pm #37
(01 Mar 2016, 8:36 pm)Jimmi Been hearing non favourable things about that in the last week or so.

Don't get me started! We had Pulsars randomly dropping to a maximum of 10mph when it was first fitted. One happened on the A1M  Undecided
tyresmoke
01 Mar 2016, 10:44 pm #37

(01 Mar 2016, 8:36 pm)Jimmi Been hearing non favourable things about that in the last week or so.

Don't get me started! We had Pulsars randomly dropping to a maximum of 10mph when it was first fitted. One happened on the A1M  Undecided

mb134



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01 Mar 2016, 10:50 pm #38
(01 Mar 2016, 10:44 pm)tyresmoke Don't get me started! We had Pulsars randomly dropping to a maximum of 10mph when it was first fitted. One happened on the A1M  Undecided

Does it work the same on every vehicle that it is fitted to? Some E400's (same batch) seem far quicker off the mark than others?

Any idea how effective it actually is?
mb134
01 Mar 2016, 10:50 pm #38

(01 Mar 2016, 10:44 pm)tyresmoke Don't get me started! We had Pulsars randomly dropping to a maximum of 10mph when it was first fitted. One happened on the A1M  Undecided

Does it work the same on every vehicle that it is fitted to? Some E400's (same batch) seem far quicker off the mark than others?

Any idea how effective it actually is?

tyresmoke



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01 Mar 2016, 11:02 pm #39
(01 Mar 2016, 10:50 pm)mb134 Does it work the same on every vehicle that it is fitted to? Some E400's (same batch) seem far quicker off the mark than others?

Any idea how effective it actually is?

It should do yes - after all it's only electronically limiting the amount of throttle you can have. If buses are slow in the first place then they're not going to improve with it fitted.
tyresmoke
01 Mar 2016, 11:02 pm #39

(01 Mar 2016, 10:50 pm)mb134 Does it work the same on every vehicle that it is fitted to? Some E400's (same batch) seem far quicker off the mark than others?

Any idea how effective it actually is?

It should do yes - after all it's only electronically limiting the amount of throttle you can have. If buses are slow in the first place then they're not going to improve with it fitted.

L469 YVK



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02 Mar 2016, 4:05 am #40
Biggest factors as to whether or not the X21 / X22 would get an upgrade would be:

Option 1:
- Availability of Classic E400s.
- Need for spare Sapphire deckers locally or nationally (57 plates)

Option 2:
- Need for spare Sapphire deckers locally or nationally (57 plates)
- Need for more single deck Sapphires locally or nationally

- Option 2 would either mean new MMCs for the X21/X22, 7 goes fully double deck with Ashington keeping 7518 and Belmont / Darlington getting either 7527 or 7528 (one per depot).

Or, the 7 gets 10x E400MMCs, 7534-37 and 40 move to Ashington and work alongside 7522-7528, 7518 and 2x of the best 57 plates with a further 2x being kept as spares meaning only 5x needing moved to another route / depot.

Don't think anything is going to happen this year by the looks of it.
L469 YVK
02 Mar 2016, 4:05 am #40

Biggest factors as to whether or not the X21 / X22 would get an upgrade would be:

Option 1:
- Availability of Classic E400s.
- Need for spare Sapphire deckers locally or nationally (57 plates)

Option 2:
- Need for spare Sapphire deckers locally or nationally (57 plates)
- Need for more single deck Sapphires locally or nationally

- Option 2 would either mean new MMCs for the X21/X22, 7 goes fully double deck with Ashington keeping 7518 and Belmont / Darlington getting either 7527 or 7528 (one per depot).

Or, the 7 gets 10x E400MMCs, 7534-37 and 40 move to Ashington and work alongside 7522-7528, 7518 and 2x of the best 57 plates with a further 2x being kept as spares meaning only 5x needing moved to another route / depot.

Don't think anything is going to happen this year by the looks of it.

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