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31 Mar 2021, 10:11 am #2,001
(31 Mar 2021, 10:05 am)streetdeckfan Key word  there being 'almost'!

I wonder if they have any intention of bringing back the 15 minute service between Newcastle and Durham on the X21. 
The cove vinyls on the B5s still have the 15 minute frequency so I'm guessing they may do at some point
Noticed that! Thought GNE would have put an article out to say which services won't be though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the X21 wasn't every 15 minutes during the Summer & Autumn, whereas the X7 was still there. Like the X21, maybe they'll think about reintroducing after Covid...
Adtrainsam
31 Mar 2021, 10:11 am #2,001

(31 Mar 2021, 10:05 am)streetdeckfan Key word  there being 'almost'!

I wonder if they have any intention of bringing back the 15 minute service between Newcastle and Durham on the X21. 
The cove vinyls on the B5s still have the 15 minute frequency so I'm guessing they may do at some point
Noticed that! Thought GNE would have put an article out to say which services won't be though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the X21 wasn't every 15 minutes during the Summer & Autumn, whereas the X7 was still there. Like the X21, maybe they'll think about reintroducing after Covid...

S813 FVK



6,030
31 Mar 2021, 10:16 am #2,002
The 13 looks to be a gonner too.
S813 FVK
31 Mar 2021, 10:16 am #2,002

The 13 looks to be a gonner too.

31 Mar 2021, 10:16 am #2,003
(31 Mar 2021, 10:11 am)Adtrainsam Noticed that! Thought GNE would have put an article out to say which services won't be though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the X21 wasn't every 15 minutes during the Summer & Autumn, whereas the X7 was still there. Like the X21, maybe they'll think about reintroducing after Covid...

You're right, it wasn't. But the B5s were refurbed during that time and vinyls with the 15 minute frequency were installed.
If they weren't going to bring it back, I'd have thought they'd remove it and then replace the vinyl if plans changed, or even just add it over the top.

49/49A seems to be sticking to a 15 minute frequency
Edited 31 Mar 2021, 10:20 am by streetdeckfan.
streetdeckfan
31 Mar 2021, 10:16 am #2,003

(31 Mar 2021, 10:11 am)Adtrainsam Noticed that! Thought GNE would have put an article out to say which services won't be though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the X21 wasn't every 15 minutes during the Summer & Autumn, whereas the X7 was still there. Like the X21, maybe they'll think about reintroducing after Covid...

You're right, it wasn't. But the B5s were refurbed during that time and vinyls with the 15 minute frequency were installed.
If they weren't going to bring it back, I'd have thought they'd remove it and then replace the vinyl if plans changed, or even just add it over the top.

49/49A seems to be sticking to a 15 minute frequency

JP6004



1,833
31 Mar 2021, 10:26 am #2,004
(31 Mar 2021, 10:16 am)streetdeckfan You're right, it wasn't. But the B5s were refurbed during that time and vinyls with the 15 minute frequency were installed.
If they weren't going to bring it back, I'd have thought they'd remove it and then replace the vinyl if plans changed, or even just add it over the top.

49/49A seems to be sticking to a 15 minute frequency
Wasnt it every 15mins with 2 terminating at durham. Iirc that was the reason for ordering 2 extra Streetdecks for the X21
JP6004
31 Mar 2021, 10:26 am #2,004

(31 Mar 2021, 10:16 am)streetdeckfan You're right, it wasn't. But the B5s were refurbed during that time and vinyls with the 15 minute frequency were installed.
If they weren't going to bring it back, I'd have thought they'd remove it and then replace the vinyl if plans changed, or even just add it over the top.

49/49A seems to be sticking to a 15 minute frequency
Wasnt it every 15mins with 2 terminating at durham. Iirc that was the reason for ordering 2 extra Streetdecks for the X21

31 Mar 2021, 10:38 am #2,005
(31 Mar 2021, 10:26 am)JP6004 Wasnt it every 15mins with 2 terminating at durham. Iirc that was the reason for ordering 2 extra Streetdecks for the X21

Indeed.
It's a shame we didn't get any of the new StreetDecks, if they bring back the Newcastle-Durham shorts it'll once again be nigh on impossible to tell which ones continue on to Bishop with the regular height displays.
Oh, and they'd actually be comfortable!
streetdeckfan
31 Mar 2021, 10:38 am #2,005

(31 Mar 2021, 10:26 am)JP6004 Wasnt it every 15mins with 2 terminating at durham. Iirc that was the reason for ordering 2 extra Streetdecks for the X21

Indeed.
It's a shame we didn't get any of the new StreetDecks, if they bring back the Newcastle-Durham shorts it'll once again be nigh on impossible to tell which ones continue on to Bishop with the regular height displays.
Oh, and they'd actually be comfortable!

JP6004



1,833
31 Mar 2021, 10:52 am #2,006
(31 Mar 2021, 10:38 am)streetdeckfan Indeed.
It's a shame we didn't get any of the new StreetDecks, if they bring back the Newcastle-Durham shorts it'll once again be nigh on impossible to tell which ones continue on to Bishop with the regular height displays.
Oh, and they'd actually be comfortable!
Yea the one son the X1 are very comfortable and cosy. Dont think I've been on one since January
JP6004
31 Mar 2021, 10:52 am #2,006

(31 Mar 2021, 10:38 am)streetdeckfan Indeed.
It's a shame we didn't get any of the new StreetDecks, if they bring back the Newcastle-Durham shorts it'll once again be nigh on impossible to tell which ones continue on to Bishop with the regular height displays.
Oh, and they'd actually be comfortable!
Yea the one son the X1 are very comfortable and cosy. Dont think I've been on one since January

31 Mar 2021, 11:19 am #2,007
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31 Mar 2021, 11:19 am #2,007

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31 Mar 2021, 6:50 pm #2,008
(31 Mar 2021, 10:16 am)S813 FVK The 13 looks to be a gonner too.
So given that it interworked with the 25, the 25 will now be standalone with a PVR of 6x?

Will that explain the likely reason behind the movements of the following?
- 6001/49/50 - Now spare
- 6084/85/86 - 3x free (PVR of TVT is 16x with 3x ex TTX)
- 6099 - Free (Cobalt normal PVR is now 16x)

With the above, that could then release 6043-48

(31 Mar 2021, 6:50 pm)L469 YVK So given that it interworked with the 25, the 25 will now be standalone with a PVR of 6x?

Will that explain the likely reason behind the movements of the following?
- 6001/49/50 - Now spare
- 6084/85/86 - 3x free with 56 PVR reduction (PVR of TVT is 16x with 3x ex TTX)
- 6099 - Free (Cobalt normal PVR is now 16x)

With the above, that could then release 6043-48
Edited 31 Mar 2021, 6:51 pm by L469 YVK.
L469 YVK
31 Mar 2021, 6:50 pm #2,008

(31 Mar 2021, 10:16 am)S813 FVK The 13 looks to be a gonner too.
So given that it interworked with the 25, the 25 will now be standalone with a PVR of 6x?

Will that explain the likely reason behind the movements of the following?
- 6001/49/50 - Now spare
- 6084/85/86 - 3x free (PVR of TVT is 16x with 3x ex TTX)
- 6099 - Free (Cobalt normal PVR is now 16x)

With the above, that could then release 6043-48

(31 Mar 2021, 6:50 pm)L469 YVK So given that it interworked with the 25, the 25 will now be standalone with a PVR of 6x?

Will that explain the likely reason behind the movements of the following?
- 6001/49/50 - Now spare
- 6084/85/86 - 3x free with 56 PVR reduction (PVR of TVT is 16x with 3x ex TTX)
- 6099 - Free (Cobalt normal PVR is now 16x)

With the above, that could then release 6043-48

S813 FVK



6,030
31 Mar 2021, 7:20 pm #2,009
(31 Mar 2021, 6:50 pm)L469 YVK So given that it interworked with the 25, the 25 will now be standalone with a PVR of 6x?

Will that explain the likely reason behind the movements of the following?
- 6001/49/50 - Now spare
- 6084/85/86 - 3x free (PVR of TVT is 16x with 3x ex TTX)
- 6099 - Free (Cobalt normal PVR is now 16x)

With the above, that could then release 6043-48


Worth baring in mind that only 11 (enough for the 27 on it's own) B9s are 'Crusader' branded for a total PVR of 14 across both routes. This means 3 unbranded B9s that would be assumed 'spare' are actually required to make up the numbers.
S813 FVK
31 Mar 2021, 7:20 pm #2,009

(31 Mar 2021, 6:50 pm)L469 YVK So given that it interworked with the 25, the 25 will now be standalone with a PVR of 6x?

Will that explain the likely reason behind the movements of the following?
- 6001/49/50 - Now spare
- 6084/85/86 - 3x free (PVR of TVT is 16x with 3x ex TTX)
- 6099 - Free (Cobalt normal PVR is now 16x)

With the above, that could then release 6043-48


Worth baring in mind that only 11 (enough for the 27 on it's own) B9s are 'Crusader' branded for a total PVR of 14 across both routes. This means 3 unbranded B9s that would be assumed 'spare' are actually required to make up the numbers.

Jamie M



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31 Mar 2021, 7:44 pm #2,010
(31 Mar 2021, 7:20 pm)S813 FVK Worth baring in mind that only 11 (enough for the 27 on it's own) B9s are 'Crusader' branded for a total PVR of 14 across both routes. This means 3 unbranded B9s that would be assumed 'spare' are actually required to make up the numbers.

I wonder if the 26 will be reconfigured... again. They surely would have known before painting that this would have been the case.
Jamie M
31 Mar 2021, 7:44 pm #2,010

(31 Mar 2021, 7:20 pm)S813 FVK Worth baring in mind that only 11 (enough for the 27 on it's own) B9s are 'Crusader' branded for a total PVR of 14 across both routes. This means 3 unbranded B9s that would be assumed 'spare' are actually required to make up the numbers.

I wonder if the 26 will be reconfigured... again. They surely would have known before painting that this would have been the case.

31 Mar 2021, 8:07 pm #2,011
I'm sure if there's an unopened tin of paint at Saltmeadows, I'm sure they find a reason to open it to paint something.

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Rapidsnap
31 Mar 2021, 8:07 pm #2,011

I'm sure if there's an unopened tin of paint at Saltmeadows, I'm sure they find a reason to open it to paint something.


Please feel free to visit my Flickr page - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/
Who needs heroes anyway? Villians have more fun.

DH9



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04 Apr 2021, 11:01 am #2,012
(31 Mar 2021, 10:16 am)S813 FVK The 13 looks to be a gonner too.
When you've four 16s (16 / 16A) per hour between Sacriston and Durham and the 13 still did that loop for the stop a Fyndon, people are going to get the 16 / 16A.

Meanwhile from Langley Park, you're only talking about a few extra minutes on the X20.

(31 Mar 2021, 10:11 am)Adtrainsam Noticed that! Thought GNE would have put an article out to say which services won't be though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the X21 wasn't every 15 minutes during the Summer & Autumn, whereas the X7 was still there. Like the X21, maybe they'll think about reintroducing after Covid...

Again, you've four Arriva buses per hour travelling between Peterlee and Sunderland.   The X6 for Go North East buzzfare holders transferring to other services is perhaps all that's needed.
Edited 04 Apr 2021, 11:03 am by DH9.
DH9
04 Apr 2021, 11:01 am #2,012

(31 Mar 2021, 10:16 am)S813 FVK The 13 looks to be a gonner too.
When you've four 16s (16 / 16A) per hour between Sacriston and Durham and the 13 still did that loop for the stop a Fyndon, people are going to get the 16 / 16A.

Meanwhile from Langley Park, you're only talking about a few extra minutes on the X20.

(31 Mar 2021, 10:11 am)Adtrainsam Noticed that! Thought GNE would have put an article out to say which services won't be though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the X21 wasn't every 15 minutes during the Summer & Autumn, whereas the X7 was still there. Like the X21, maybe they'll think about reintroducing after Covid...

Again, you've four Arriva buses per hour travelling between Peterlee and Sunderland.   The X6 for Go North East buzzfare holders transferring to other services is perhaps all that's needed.

15 Apr 2021, 9:26 pm #2,013
Are express routes still observing all stops along the route? 
I can't see any mention of it on the website anymore
streetdeckfan
15 Apr 2021, 9:26 pm #2,013

Are express routes still observing all stops along the route? 
I can't see any mention of it on the website anymore

mb134



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15 Apr 2021, 10:17 pm #2,014
(15 Apr 2021, 9:26 pm)streetdeckfan Are express routes still observing all stops along the route? 
I can't see any mention of it on the website anymore

MG mentioned in his live video earlier today that they are. He also said the mutual ticket acceptance is still in place, thought that ended last year sometime.
mb134
15 Apr 2021, 10:17 pm #2,014

(15 Apr 2021, 9:26 pm)streetdeckfan Are express routes still observing all stops along the route? 
I can't see any mention of it on the website anymore

MG mentioned in his live video earlier today that they are. He also said the mutual ticket acceptance is still in place, thought that ended last year sometime.

LVK 404L



993
16 Apr 2021, 5:58 am #2,015
(15 Apr 2021, 10:17 pm)mb134 MG mentioned in his live video earlier today that they are. He also said the mutual ticket acceptance is still in place, thought that ended last year sometime.

All operator ticket acceptance has been in place all the time, however, I do think probably October 20 til March 21 it was promoted intensely almost daily on all social media networks. It is mentioned still as you state, but not as regular.
LVK 404L
16 Apr 2021, 5:58 am #2,015

(15 Apr 2021, 10:17 pm)mb134 MG mentioned in his live video earlier today that they are. He also said the mutual ticket acceptance is still in place, thought that ended last year sometime.

All operator ticket acceptance has been in place all the time, however, I do think probably October 20 til March 21 it was promoted intensely almost daily on all social media networks. It is mentioned still as you state, but not as regular.

big mac



430
19 Apr 2021, 5:06 pm #2,016
(31 Mar 2021, 10:11 am)Adtrainsam Noticed that! Thought GNE would have put an article out to say which services won't be though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the X21 wasn't every 15 minutes during the Summer & Autumn, whereas the X7 was still there. Like the X21, maybe they'll think about reintroducing after Covid...
Is it known whether GNE's plan is to reintroduce absolutely everything as it was pre-covid once all covid restrictions get lifted, or does what we have now count as full service levels from now on, and they've sneakily cut the odd service without publicising it, such as the 13 and x7?
big mac
19 Apr 2021, 5:06 pm #2,016

(31 Mar 2021, 10:11 am)Adtrainsam Noticed that! Thought GNE would have put an article out to say which services won't be though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the X21 wasn't every 15 minutes during the Summer & Autumn, whereas the X7 was still there. Like the X21, maybe they'll think about reintroducing after Covid...
Is it known whether GNE's plan is to reintroduce absolutely everything as it was pre-covid once all covid restrictions get lifted, or does what we have now count as full service levels from now on, and they've sneakily cut the odd service without publicising it, such as the 13 and x7?

19 Apr 2021, 11:07 pm #2,017
(19 Apr 2021, 5:06 pm)big mac Is it known whether GNE's plan is to reintroduce absolutely everything as it was pre-covid once all covid restrictions get lifted, or does what we have now count as full service levels from now on, and they've sneakily cut the odd service without publicising it, such as the 13 and x7?

Doubt it. Where the X7 is concerned, both that and the X6 have usually looked dead on the regular occasion I've passed them — even at peak times. It likely won't be long before the Peterlee–Sunderland leg gets cut from GNE's network. The removal of the X7 now sees only one express service an hour between Peterlee and Sunderland. Compare that to Arriva with the 22 and 23 interworking every 15 minutes, I think it's safe to say where people are going to turn towards and that Arriva is going to dominate this journey section like they have done with Peterlee–Hartlepool. Saying that though, there's still the 55 — I got that up to Sunderland last Friday morning and it got very busy to a point where people were having to stand.

Not sure what passenger numbers on the 13 were like as it's not a familiar route to myself, but obviously you now have the X20 going up to Langley Park every half an hour, which is also allocated higher-spec buses than the 13 ever has been.
BeachBoy99
19 Apr 2021, 11:07 pm #2,017

(19 Apr 2021, 5:06 pm)big mac Is it known whether GNE's plan is to reintroduce absolutely everything as it was pre-covid once all covid restrictions get lifted, or does what we have now count as full service levels from now on, and they've sneakily cut the odd service without publicising it, such as the 13 and x7?

Doubt it. Where the X7 is concerned, both that and the X6 have usually looked dead on the regular occasion I've passed them — even at peak times. It likely won't be long before the Peterlee–Sunderland leg gets cut from GNE's network. The removal of the X7 now sees only one express service an hour between Peterlee and Sunderland. Compare that to Arriva with the 22 and 23 interworking every 15 minutes, I think it's safe to say where people are going to turn towards and that Arriva is going to dominate this journey section like they have done with Peterlee–Hartlepool. Saying that though, there's still the 55 — I got that up to Sunderland last Friday morning and it got very busy to a point where people were having to stand.

Not sure what passenger numbers on the 13 were like as it's not a familiar route to myself, but obviously you now have the X20 going up to Langley Park every half an hour, which is also allocated higher-spec buses than the 13 ever has been.

LVK 404L



993
20 Apr 2021, 5:09 am #2,018
(19 Apr 2021, 5:06 pm)big mac Is it known whether GNE's plan is to reintroduce absolutely everything as it was pre-covid once all covid restrictions get lifted, or does what we have now count as full service levels from now on, and they've sneakily cut the odd service without publicising it, such as the 13 and x7?
Also the 26 is still curtailed at Jarrow and lost the Jarrow to Newcastle section.
LVK 404L
20 Apr 2021, 5:09 am #2,018

(19 Apr 2021, 5:06 pm)big mac Is it known whether GNE's plan is to reintroduce absolutely everything as it was pre-covid once all covid restrictions get lifted, or does what we have now count as full service levels from now on, and they've sneakily cut the odd service without publicising it, such as the 13 and x7?
Also the 26 is still curtailed at Jarrow and lost the Jarrow to Newcastle section.

Dan

Site Administrator

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20 Apr 2021, 5:58 am #2,019
(20 Apr 2021, 5:09 am)ifm001 Also the 26 is still curtailed at Jarrow and lost the Jarrow to Newcastle section.

The change to the 26 was a permanent change - in this press release, Go North East stated which of the changes from 1 June were permanent.

The 13 and X7 remain as temporary changes until demand increases - it's better that the resource (vehicle and driver) from these services goes into something which is more advantageous, which, in the wider context of NEbus and operators working together collaboratively, may be operating duplicate services on behalf of Arriva or Stagecoach. Of course if that demand doesn't increase, there may not be a requirement for these services to return. We're in a bit of an unknown state at the moment.
Dan
20 Apr 2021, 5:58 am #2,019

(20 Apr 2021, 5:09 am)ifm001 Also the 26 is still curtailed at Jarrow and lost the Jarrow to Newcastle section.

The change to the 26 was a permanent change - in this press release, Go North East stated which of the changes from 1 June were permanent.

The 13 and X7 remain as temporary changes until demand increases - it's better that the resource (vehicle and driver) from these services goes into something which is more advantageous, which, in the wider context of NEbus and operators working together collaboratively, may be operating duplicate services on behalf of Arriva or Stagecoach. Of course if that demand doesn't increase, there may not be a requirement for these services to return. We're in a bit of an unknown state at the moment.

cbma06



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20 Apr 2021, 11:16 am #2,020
(19 Apr 2021, 11:07 pm)BeachBoy99 Doubt it. Where the X7 is concerned, both that and the X6 have usually looked dead on the regular occasion I've passed them — even at peak times. It likely won't be long before the Peterlee–Sunderland leg gets cut from GNE's network. The removal of the X7 now sees only one express service an hour between Peterlee and Sunderland. Compare that to Arriva with the 22 and 23 interworking every 15 minutes, I think it's safe to say where people are going to turn towards and that Arriva is going to dominate this journey section like they have done with Peterlee–Hartlepool. Saying that though, there's still the 55 — I got that up to Sunderland last Friday morning and it got very busy to a point where people were having to stand.

Not sure what passenger numbers on the 13 were like as it's not a familiar route to myself, but obviously you now have the X20 going up to Langley Park every half an hour, which is also allocated higher-spec buses than the 13 ever has been.


Are passengers allowed to stand in the aisle in the bus? Thought under social distancing it wouldn’t be allowed, passengers would be in close contact if there get out of the seat to walk along the aisle to get off the bus


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cbma06
20 Apr 2021, 11:16 am #2,020

(19 Apr 2021, 11:07 pm)BeachBoy99 Doubt it. Where the X7 is concerned, both that and the X6 have usually looked dead on the regular occasion I've passed them — even at peak times. It likely won't be long before the Peterlee–Sunderland leg gets cut from GNE's network. The removal of the X7 now sees only one express service an hour between Peterlee and Sunderland. Compare that to Arriva with the 22 and 23 interworking every 15 minutes, I think it's safe to say where people are going to turn towards and that Arriva is going to dominate this journey section like they have done with Peterlee–Hartlepool. Saying that though, there's still the 55 — I got that up to Sunderland last Friday morning and it got very busy to a point where people were having to stand.

Not sure what passenger numbers on the 13 were like as it's not a familiar route to myself, but obviously you now have the X20 going up to Langley Park every half an hour, which is also allocated higher-spec buses than the 13 ever has been.


Are passengers allowed to stand in the aisle in the bus? Thought under social distancing it wouldn’t be allowed, passengers would be in close contact if there get out of the seat to walk along the aisle to get off the bus


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