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cbma06



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16 Jul 2019, 9:36 am #1,881
PB0003954/761 Cancelled
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: DURHAM BUS STATION 'K' arr to BEECHBURN IND ESTATE
Service number: X46 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019


cbma06
16 Jul 2019, 9:36 am #1,881

PB0003954/761 Cancelled
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: DURHAM BUS STATION 'K' arr to BEECHBURN IND ESTATE
Service number: X46 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019



Jamie M

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16 Jul 2019, 9:44 am #1,882
(15 Jul 2019, 7:43 pm)streetdeckfan


We need them on the X21, I'm always hearing people upstairs bragging to their friends that they still get on with a £1 ticket.


On another note, I've always wondered what happens to the people who put their ticket straight in the bin when an inspector gets on, do they have to pay for another ticket, or do they just ask the driver if the passenger paid?

Ive had one or two on my short hop X21.

I would like to see more of them, but never too far away from one.
Jamie M
16 Jul 2019, 9:44 am #1,882

(15 Jul 2019, 7:43 pm)streetdeckfan


We need them on the X21, I'm always hearing people upstairs bragging to their friends that they still get on with a £1 ticket.


On another note, I've always wondered what happens to the people who put their ticket straight in the bin when an inspector gets on, do they have to pay for another ticket, or do they just ask the driver if the passenger paid?

Ive had one or two on my short hop X21.

I would like to see more of them, but never too far away from one.

16 Jul 2019, 9:44 am #1,883

(16 Jul 2019, 9:36 am)cbma06 PB0003954/761 Cancelled
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: DURHAM BUS STATION 'K' arr to BEECHBURN IND ESTATE
Service number: X46 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019


Well, that's unfortunate. Looks like I'm not visiting family anymore!


I do hope they replace it with a proper service, as I can see many people choosing the GNE service over the Arriva service, especially if they put half decent buses on it, but I can't see that happening

streetdeckfan
16 Jul 2019, 9:44 am #1,883

(16 Jul 2019, 9:36 am)cbma06 PB0003954/761 Cancelled
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: DURHAM BUS STATION 'K' arr to BEECHBURN IND ESTATE
Service number: X46 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019


Well, that's unfortunate. Looks like I'm not visiting family anymore!


I do hope they replace it with a proper service, as I can see many people choosing the GNE service over the Arriva service, especially if they put half decent buses on it, but I can't see that happening

S830OFT



1,395
16 Jul 2019, 10:11 am #1,884

(16 Jul 2019, 9:44 am)streetdeckfan


Well, that's unfortunate. Looks like I'm not visiting family anymore!


I do hope they replace it with a proper service, as I can see many people choosing the GNE service over the Arriva service, especially if they put half decent buses on it, but I can't see that happening


It only came twice a day in both directions...



S830OFT
16 Jul 2019, 10:11 am #1,884

(16 Jul 2019, 9:44 am)streetdeckfan


Well, that's unfortunate. Looks like I'm not visiting family anymore!


I do hope they replace it with a proper service, as I can see many people choosing the GNE service over the Arriva service, especially if they put half decent buses on it, but I can't see that happening


It only came twice a day in both directions...



16 Jul 2019, 10:17 am #1,885

(16 Jul 2019, 10:11 am)S830OFT

It only came twice a day in both directions...



But those happened to be the times when I used them! And it meant I didn't have to buy Arriva tickets

streetdeckfan
16 Jul 2019, 10:17 am #1,885

(16 Jul 2019, 10:11 am)S830OFT

It only came twice a day in both directions...



But those happened to be the times when I used them! And it meant I didn't have to buy Arriva tickets

V514DFT



2,260
16 Jul 2019, 12:59 pm #1,886

I thought it might of just been down to the fact that the 46 is becoming the X46,but then i realised that those changes start this Sunday


Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
16 Jul 2019, 12:59 pm #1,886

I thought it might of just been down to the fact that the 46 is becoming the X46,but then i realised that those changes start this Sunday


Kind Regards
Tez

16 Jul 2019, 1:05 pm #1,887
(16 Jul 2019, 12:59 pm)V514DFT

I thought it might of just been down to the fact that the 46 is becoming the X46,but then i realised that those changes start this Sunday

That's what I thought to start with, but if that was the reason I would have thought they'd just rename rather than cancel
streetdeckfan
16 Jul 2019, 1:05 pm #1,887

(16 Jul 2019, 12:59 pm)V514DFT

I thought it might of just been down to the fact that the 46 is becoming the X46,but then i realised that those changes start this Sunday

That's what I thought to start with, but if that was the reason I would have thought they'd just rename rather than cancel

Kuyoyo



6,856
16 Jul 2019, 1:19 pm #1,888

The Crook X46 is being withdrawn - as one of the Crook driving staff has previously mentioned in a Facebook group that Crook Outstation is to close in the autumn, with the X21 moving to Chester.

Kuyoyo
16 Jul 2019, 1:19 pm #1,888

The Crook X46 is being withdrawn - as one of the Crook driving staff has previously mentioned in a Facebook group that Crook Outstation is to close in the autumn, with the X21 moving to Chester.

16 Jul 2019, 1:33 pm #1,889
(16 Jul 2019, 1:19 pm)Kuyoyo

The Crook X46 is being withdrawn - as one of the Crook driving staff has previously mentioned in a Facebook group that Crook Outstation is to close in the autumn, with the X21 moving to Chester.

I suppose having Crook doesn't really make sense since it's only the X21 that runs in the area now, and it runs through Chester anyway.
Still a shame to lose the X46 though as I hate giving money to Arriva
streetdeckfan
16 Jul 2019, 1:33 pm #1,889

(16 Jul 2019, 1:19 pm)Kuyoyo

The Crook X46 is being withdrawn - as one of the Crook driving staff has previously mentioned in a Facebook group that Crook Outstation is to close in the autumn, with the X21 moving to Chester.

I suppose having Crook doesn't really make sense since it's only the X21 that runs in the area now, and it runs through Chester anyway.
Still a shame to lose the X46 though as I hate giving money to Arriva

JP6004



1,833
16 Jul 2019, 1:38 pm #1,890

(16 Jul 2019, 1:19 pm)Kuyoyo

The Crook X46 is being withdrawn - as one of the Crook driving staff has previously mentioned in a Facebook group that Crook Outstation is to close in the autumn, with the X21 moving to Chester.



And commence the Angels on the X21 and the Xlines on the Angel Tongue

JP6004
16 Jul 2019, 1:38 pm #1,890

(16 Jul 2019, 1:19 pm)Kuyoyo

The Crook X46 is being withdrawn - as one of the Crook driving staff has previously mentioned in a Facebook group that Crook Outstation is to close in the autumn, with the X21 moving to Chester.



And commence the Angels on the X21 and the Xlines on the Angel Tongue

16 Jul 2019, 1:44 pm #1,891

(16 Jul 2019, 1:38 pm)JP6004


And commence the Angels on the X21 and the Xlines on the Angel Tongue" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue">



Not gonna lie, I prefer when we get the Angel buses on the X21, the seats are far more comfortable!

streetdeckfan
16 Jul 2019, 1:44 pm #1,891

(16 Jul 2019, 1:38 pm)JP6004


And commence the Angels on the X21 and the Xlines on the Angel Tongue" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue">



Not gonna lie, I prefer when we get the Angel buses on the X21, the seats are far more comfortable!

JP6004



1,833
16 Jul 2019, 1:51 pm #1,892

(16 Jul 2019, 1:44 pm)streetdeckfan


Not gonna lie, I prefer when we get the Angel buses on the X21, the seats are far more comfortable!



Yes they proper leather with foam topper. I'd imagine 2hrs from end to end might be a bit uncomfortable. You'll just have to make sure you only ride the 69 plate ones Tongue

JP6004
16 Jul 2019, 1:51 pm #1,892

(16 Jul 2019, 1:44 pm)streetdeckfan


Not gonna lie, I prefer when we get the Angel buses on the X21, the seats are far more comfortable!



Yes they proper leather with foam topper. I'd imagine 2hrs from end to end might be a bit uncomfortable. You'll just have to make sure you only ride the 69 plate ones Tongue

16 Jul 2019, 2:06 pm #1,893
(16 Jul 2019, 1:51 pm)JP6004


Yes they proper leather with foam topper. I'd imagine 2hrs from end to end might be a bit uncomfortable. You'll just have to make sure you only ride the 69 plate ones Tongue

I don't find the older style uncomfortable by any means, the other day I spent a good 6 hours sitting on them between the X21, X66, 47 and the 49! But that extra layer of foam really does make a difference. You just sink in, I find them more comfortable than the leather seats in our car! Plus, the car doesn't have a table, sockets and WiFi!
streetdeckfan
16 Jul 2019, 2:06 pm #1,893

(16 Jul 2019, 1:51 pm)JP6004


Yes they proper leather with foam topper. I'd imagine 2hrs from end to end might be a bit uncomfortable. You'll just have to make sure you only ride the 69 plate ones Tongue

I don't find the older style uncomfortable by any means, the other day I spent a good 6 hours sitting on them between the X21, X66, 47 and the 49! But that extra layer of foam really does make a difference. You just sink in, I find them more comfortable than the leather seats in our car! Plus, the car doesn't have a table, sockets and WiFi!

Michael



19,175
16 Jul 2019, 7:37 pm #1,894
More added:

PB0003954/1100 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Metrocentre to Lanchester
Service number: M6 (M8, 836)
Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/1102 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Consett to Newcastle
Service number: X30 (X31, X32)
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/1075 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Newcastle, Eldon Square to Tinddale Crescent
Service number: X21 ()
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/936 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: SOUTH SHIELDS (bent's park road or frenchman's lea) to NEWCASTLE BARRAS BRIDGE
Service number: R1 ()
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 08 Sep 2019

PB0003954/935 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: HEWORTH METRO to NEWCASTLE BARRAS BRIDGE
Service number: R3 ()
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 08 Sep 2019

PB0003954/649 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Newcastle, Eldon Square Bus Station to Winlaton Bus Station
Service number: 12 (12A)
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/821 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Rowlands Gill, Station Road to Lanchester, St Bede's Catholic School
Service number: 819 (820,827)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/806 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Front Street, Low Moorsley to Heworth Interchange via Hetton Le Hole, Houghton Le Spring, Silksworth, Sunderland, Hylton, Boldon
Service number: 35 (35A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/779 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland to Newcastle, Monument Market Street via Monkwearmouth, Hylton Castle, Wrekenton
Service number: 56 (N56)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/770 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Chester-Le-Street, South Burns to Newcastle
Service number: 28,28A (28B,28S)
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019


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Are these changes to include school services?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
16 Jul 2019, 7:37 pm #1,894

More added:

PB0003954/1100 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Metrocentre to Lanchester
Service number: M6 (M8, 836)
Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/1102 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Consett to Newcastle
Service number: X30 (X31, X32)
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/1075 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Newcastle, Eldon Square to Tinddale Crescent
Service number: X21 ()
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/936 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: SOUTH SHIELDS (bent's park road or frenchman's lea) to NEWCASTLE BARRAS BRIDGE
Service number: R1 ()
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 08 Sep 2019

PB0003954/935 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: HEWORTH METRO to NEWCASTLE BARRAS BRIDGE
Service number: R3 ()
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 08 Sep 2019

PB0003954/649 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Newcastle, Eldon Square Bus Station to Winlaton Bus Station
Service number: 12 (12A)
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/821 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Rowlands Gill, Station Road to Lanchester, St Bede's Catholic School
Service number: 819 (820,827)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/806 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Front Street, Low Moorsley to Heworth Interchange via Hetton Le Hole, Houghton Le Spring, Silksworth, Sunderland, Hylton, Boldon
Service number: 35 (35A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/779 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland to Newcastle, Monument Market Street via Monkwearmouth, Hylton Castle, Wrekenton
Service number: 56 (N56)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/770 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Chester-Le-Street, South Burns to Newcastle
Service number: 28,28A (28B,28S)
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019


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Are these changes to include school services?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

L469 YVK



3,556
17 Jul 2019, 5:53 am #1,895
Looking at the map, I wonder if Arriva do sell in parts and GNE get Ashington whether or not they'll do the following zones:

- Alnwick District & Morpeth
- Berwick

This would mean the following for travelling between the 2x points below:
- Morpeth to Newcastle = 2x Zones
- Morpeth to Ashington = 2x Zones
L469 YVK
17 Jul 2019, 5:53 am #1,895

Looking at the map, I wonder if Arriva do sell in parts and GNE get Ashington whether or not they'll do the following zones:

- Alnwick District & Morpeth
- Berwick

This would mean the following for travelling between the 2x points below:
- Morpeth to Newcastle = 2x Zones
- Morpeth to Ashington = 2x Zones

17 Jul 2019, 8:13 pm #1,896

(16 Jul 2019, 7:37 pm)Michael More added:

PB0003954/1100 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Metrocentre to Lanchester
Service number: M6 (M8, 836)
Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/1102 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Consett to Newcastle
Service number: X30 (X31, X32)
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/1075 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Newcastle, Eldon Square to Tinddale Crescent
Service number: X21 ()
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/936 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: SOUTH SHIELDS (bent's park road or frenchman's lea) to NEWCASTLE BARRAS BRIDGE
Service number: R1 ()
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 08 Sep 2019

PB0003954/935 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: HEWORTH METRO to NEWCASTLE BARRAS BRIDGE
Service number: R3 ()
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 08 Sep 2019

PB0003954/649 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Newcastle, Eldon Square Bus Station to Winlaton Bus Station
Service number: 12 (12A)
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/821 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Rowlands Gill, Station Road to Lanchester, St Bede's Catholic School
Service number: 819 (820,827)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/806 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Front Street, Low Moorsley to Heworth Interchange via Hetton Le Hole, Houghton Le Spring, Silksworth, Sunderland, Hylton, Boldon
Service number: 35 (35A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/779 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland to Newcastle, Monument Market Street via Monkwearmouth, Hylton Castle, Wrekenton
Service number: 56 (N56)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/770 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Chester-Le-Street, South Burns to Newcastle
Service number: 28,28A (28B,28S)
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019


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Are these changes to include school services?


Hopefully with them moving the X21 to Chester and the removal of the X46, we'll get the X21 coming to Tindale (which is still spelled wrong!) later into the evening. Having the last direct bus leave Newcastle at 15:38 is a right pain in the arse.

streetdeckfan
17 Jul 2019, 8:13 pm #1,896

(16 Jul 2019, 7:37 pm)Michael More added:

PB0003954/1100 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Metrocentre to Lanchester
Service number: M6 (M8, 836)
Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/1102 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Consett to Newcastle
Service number: X30 (X31, X32)
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/1075 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Newcastle, Eldon Square to Tinddale Crescent
Service number: X21 ()
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/936 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: SOUTH SHIELDS (bent's park road or frenchman's lea) to NEWCASTLE BARRAS BRIDGE
Service number: R1 ()
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 08 Sep 2019

PB0003954/935 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: HEWORTH METRO to NEWCASTLE BARRAS BRIDGE
Service number: R3 ()
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 08 Sep 2019

PB0003954/649 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Newcastle, Eldon Square Bus Station to Winlaton Bus Station
Service number: 12 (12A)
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/821 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Rowlands Gill, Station Road to Lanchester, St Bede's Catholic School
Service number: 819 (820,827)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/806 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Front Street, Low Moorsley to Heworth Interchange via Hetton Le Hole, Houghton Le Spring, Silksworth, Sunderland, Hylton, Boldon
Service number: 35 (35A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/779 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland to Newcastle, Monument Market Street via Monkwearmouth, Hylton Castle, Wrekenton
Service number: 56 (N56)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019

PB0003954/770 Registered
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Chester-Le-Street, South Burns to Newcastle
Service number: 28,28A (28B,28S)
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2019


------


Are these changes to include school services?


Hopefully with them moving the X21 to Chester and the removal of the X46, we'll get the X21 coming to Tindale (which is still spelled wrong!) later into the evening. Having the last direct bus leave Newcastle at 15:38 is a right pain in the arse.

Jimmi



10,977
17 Jul 2019, 10:02 pm #1,897
(17 Jul 2019, 8:13 pm)streetdeckfan Hopefully with them moving the X21 to Chester and the removal of the X46, we'll get the X21 coming to Tindale (which is still spelled wrong!) later into the evening. Having the last direct bus leave Newcastle at 15:38 is a right pain in the arse.

I can't see much changing, maybe a few extra trips between Bishop and Durham (or Chester at a stretch) in early mornings & early evenings (unless they'll just run dead).

Can maybe see some slight changes being made to the evening service as providing GNE keep the 86 I would imagine it will have to be tagged on to the end of the X21/21 workings.
Jimmi
17 Jul 2019, 10:02 pm #1,897

(17 Jul 2019, 8:13 pm)streetdeckfan Hopefully with them moving the X21 to Chester and the removal of the X46, we'll get the X21 coming to Tindale (which is still spelled wrong!) later into the evening. Having the last direct bus leave Newcastle at 15:38 is a right pain in the arse.

I can't see much changing, maybe a few extra trips between Bishop and Durham (or Chester at a stretch) in early mornings & early evenings (unless they'll just run dead).

Can maybe see some slight changes being made to the evening service as providing GNE keep the 86 I would imagine it will have to be tagged on to the end of the X21/21 workings.

Jamie M

Unregistered

 
18 Jul 2019, 6:20 am #1,898
(17 Jul 2019, 10:02 pm)Jimmi I can't see much changing, maybe a few extra trips between Bishop and Durham (or Chester at a stretch) in early mornings & early evenings (unless they'll just run dead).

Can maybe see some slight changes being made to the evening service as providing GNE keep the 86 I would imagine it will have to be tagged on to the end of the X21/21 workings.
Just a versa or solo shuttling around is best, cant see them hiking up the PVR of the X21Es for that.
Jamie M
18 Jul 2019, 6:20 am #1,898

(17 Jul 2019, 10:02 pm)Jimmi I can't see much changing, maybe a few extra trips between Bishop and Durham (or Chester at a stretch) in early mornings & early evenings (unless they'll just run dead).

Can maybe see some slight changes being made to the evening service as providing GNE keep the 86 I would imagine it will have to be tagged on to the end of the X21/21 workings.
Just a versa or solo shuttling around is best, cant see them hiking up the PVR of the X21Es for that.

18 Jul 2019, 6:47 am #1,899
(18 Jul 2019, 6:20 am)Jamie M Just a versa or solo shuttling around is best, cant see them hiking up the PVR of the X21Es for that.
It can't be that difficult, all they have to do is do what they're doing during the day, just later
streetdeckfan
18 Jul 2019, 6:47 am #1,899

(18 Jul 2019, 6:20 am)Jamie M Just a versa or solo shuttling around is best, cant see them hiking up the PVR of the X21Es for that.
It can't be that difficult, all they have to do is do what they're doing during the day, just later

JP6004



1,833
18 Jul 2019, 11:02 am #1,900
Branded timetables for 21st July changes now online
JP6004
18 Jul 2019, 11:02 am #1,900

Branded timetables for 21st July changes now online

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