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peter



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23 Jul 2017, 2:50 pm #101
(23 Jul 2017, 2:41 pm)Jimmi Surely 1512 would act as a spare in some form for the 43/44/45 although it pretty much seems to be permanently on the 685 due to the Omnicitys not being very reliable and probably because it's the closest vehicle to match the spec of the Cross Pennine Omni's.

Ah yes! I'd forgotten about 1512!! Perhaps then only the 12 mentioned above will transfer across!

I wonder if it will only be double-deckers withdrawn or whether 4516-8/20-21/23 will go instead (4519 has now been withdrawn hence why I haven't included it). They could potentially withdraw the vast majority of the remaining ALX400s, excluding the couple at Blyth.

On the topic of the 52/3/4. Is anything happening with regard to the new allocation of Streetlites? There are currently 9 in service at Jesmond yet the PVR of the services is 11. Perhaps it would make sense to transfer the two on the 35 to provide a full allocation - I believe at one point they were going to go MAX but with the new livery etc I doubt that'll be happening now! Similarly it would have been nice to see the X21 and X22 to Peterlee go MAX and then they could have finished the programme there.
Edited 23 Jul 2017, 2:55 pm by peter.
peter
23 Jul 2017, 2:50 pm #101

(23 Jul 2017, 2:41 pm)Jimmi Surely 1512 would act as a spare in some form for the 43/44/45 although it pretty much seems to be permanently on the 685 due to the Omnicitys not being very reliable and probably because it's the closest vehicle to match the spec of the Cross Pennine Omni's.

Ah yes! I'd forgotten about 1512!! Perhaps then only the 12 mentioned above will transfer across!

I wonder if it will only be double-deckers withdrawn or whether 4516-8/20-21/23 will go instead (4519 has now been withdrawn hence why I haven't included it). They could potentially withdraw the vast majority of the remaining ALX400s, excluding the couple at Blyth.

On the topic of the 52/3/4. Is anything happening with regard to the new allocation of Streetlites? There are currently 9 in service at Jesmond yet the PVR of the services is 11. Perhaps it would make sense to transfer the two on the 35 to provide a full allocation - I believe at one point they were going to go MAX but with the new livery etc I doubt that'll be happening now! Similarly it would have been nice to see the X21 and X22 to Peterlee go MAX and then they could have finished the programme there.

23 Jul 2017, 2:58 pm #102
PVR of GNR is 13 if I remember correctly, including one single deck board.
omnicity4659
23 Jul 2017, 2:58 pm #102

PVR of GNR is 13 if I remember correctly, including one single deck board.

peter



993
23 Jul 2017, 3:00 pm #103
(23 Jul 2017, 2:58 pm)omnicity4659 PVR of GNR is 13 if I remember correctly, including one single deck board.

I did think it had increased to 13 at some point, but then I looked through the timetable and only came out with 12! Nevermind! In that case 1512 would form part of the allocation and so my point still stands that perhaps a 13th bus will transfer from Ashington to act as a spare!
Edited 23 Jul 2017, 3:06 pm by peter.
peter
23 Jul 2017, 3:00 pm #103

(23 Jul 2017, 2:58 pm)omnicity4659 PVR of GNR is 13 if I remember correctly, including one single deck board.

I did think it had increased to 13 at some point, but then I looked through the timetable and only came out with 12! Nevermind! In that case 1512 would form part of the allocation and so my point still stands that perhaps a 13th bus will transfer from Ashington to act as a spare!

23 Jul 2017, 3:06 pm #104
(23 Jul 2017, 3:00 pm)peter I did think it had increased to 13 at some point, but then I looked through the timetable and only came out with 12! Nevermind! In that case 1512 would form part of the allocation and so my point still stands that perhaps a 13th bus will transfer from Ashington to act as a spare!

It was mentioned on here a while back that it was a PVR of 13, 12 deckers and one saloon. 

Back in 2014 when the 57 regs were being refurbished, there was an additional one refurbished as a spare, which gained X21/X22 branding, after the severe unreliability of the vehicles back then 7518 was refurbished, so its probable that another bus will transfer like you say.
omnicity4659
23 Jul 2017, 3:06 pm #104

(23 Jul 2017, 3:00 pm)peter I did think it had increased to 13 at some point, but then I looked through the timetable and only came out with 12! Nevermind! In that case 1512 would form part of the allocation and so my point still stands that perhaps a 13th bus will transfer from Ashington to act as a spare!

It was mentioned on here a while back that it was a PVR of 13, 12 deckers and one saloon. 

Back in 2014 when the 57 regs were being refurbished, there was an additional one refurbished as a spare, which gained X21/X22 branding, after the severe unreliability of the vehicles back then 7518 was refurbished, so its probable that another bus will transfer like you say.

RobinHood



637
23 Jul 2017, 3:28 pm #105
Not all the displaced E400s are going to Newcastle.

Two are going to Durham, with two Sapphire Pulsars going to Newcastle giving three single deck boards on GNR.
RobinHood
23 Jul 2017, 3:28 pm #105

Not all the displaced E400s are going to Newcastle.

Two are going to Durham, with two Sapphire Pulsars going to Newcastle giving three single deck boards on GNR.

Jimmi



10,969
23 Jul 2017, 3:37 pm #106
(23 Jul 2017, 3:28 pm)RobinHood Not all the displaced E400s are going to Newcastle.

Two are going to Durham, with two Sapphire Pulsars going to Newcastle giving three single deck boards on GNR.

The rumour someone said to me on Facebook was one 57 plate E400 to Darlington and another one to Belmont to displace Sapphire Pulsar's to Jesmond, although I feel sending two to Belmont is a better idea as if Darlington lost a Pulsar, it would mean that if a Pulsar is off on a Sunday (or a evening), something else would have to cover a 7 board most likely a Pulsar or EcoCity as the E400's are never allocated on Sundays.
Jimmi
23 Jul 2017, 3:37 pm #106

(23 Jul 2017, 3:28 pm)RobinHood Not all the displaced E400s are going to Newcastle.

Two are going to Durham, with two Sapphire Pulsars going to Newcastle giving three single deck boards on GNR.

The rumour someone said to me on Facebook was one 57 plate E400 to Darlington and another one to Belmont to displace Sapphire Pulsar's to Jesmond, although I feel sending two to Belmont is a better idea as if Darlington lost a Pulsar, it would mean that if a Pulsar is off on a Sunday (or a evening), something else would have to cover a 7 board most likely a Pulsar or EcoCity as the E400's are never allocated on Sundays.

Kuyoyo



6,853
23 Jul 2017, 3:55 pm #107
(23 Jul 2017, 3:37 pm)Jimmi The rumour someone said to me on Facebook was one 57 plate E400 to Darlington and another one to Belmont to displace Sapphire Pulsar's to Jesmond, although I feel sending two to Belmont is a better idea as if Darlington lost a Pulsar, it would mean that if a Pulsar is off on a Sunday (or a evening), something else would have to cover a 7 board most likely a Pulsar or EcoCity as the E400's are never allocated on Sundays.

I've now seen a comment from an employee from Jesmond that the Pulsars will be two examples off the 6 due to the lower capacity of Darlington's Sapphire Pulsars. However, the plan still seems to be one E400 to Durham and 1 to Darlington with the displaced Pulsar from Darlington going to Durham - which means Durham actually end up losing 2 Pulsars and gaining one with a lower capacity. Makes far more sense to send both E400s to Durham and covert two all day 6 boards to double decker operation.

The same person also reckons it will be the two displaced 14 plate examples that end up moving south of the Tyne.
Edited 23 Jul 2017, 3:56 pm by Kuyoyo.
Kuyoyo
23 Jul 2017, 3:55 pm #107

(23 Jul 2017, 3:37 pm)Jimmi The rumour someone said to me on Facebook was one 57 plate E400 to Darlington and another one to Belmont to displace Sapphire Pulsar's to Jesmond, although I feel sending two to Belmont is a better idea as if Darlington lost a Pulsar, it would mean that if a Pulsar is off on a Sunday (or a evening), something else would have to cover a 7 board most likely a Pulsar or EcoCity as the E400's are never allocated on Sundays.

I've now seen a comment from an employee from Jesmond that the Pulsars will be two examples off the 6 due to the lower capacity of Darlington's Sapphire Pulsars. However, the plan still seems to be one E400 to Durham and 1 to Darlington with the displaced Pulsar from Darlington going to Durham - which means Durham actually end up losing 2 Pulsars and gaining one with a lower capacity. Makes far more sense to send both E400s to Durham and covert two all day 6 boards to double decker operation.

The same person also reckons it will be the two displaced 14 plate examples that end up moving south of the Tyne.

peter



993
23 Jul 2017, 5:09 pm #108
Does anybody happen to know why 7416 has never been branded?

Thanks, Peter
peter
23 Jul 2017, 5:09 pm #108

Does anybody happen to know why 7416 has never been branded?

Thanks, Peter

Kuyoyo



6,853
23 Jul 2017, 5:19 pm #109
(23 Jul 2017, 5:09 pm)peter Does anybody happen to know why 7416 has never been branded?

Thanks, Peter

Maybe because its refurbishment was never finished. It still retains Urban90s at present.
Kuyoyo
23 Jul 2017, 5:19 pm #109

(23 Jul 2017, 5:09 pm)peter Does anybody happen to know why 7416 has never been branded?

Thanks, Peter

Maybe because its refurbishment was never finished. It still retains Urban90s at present.

peter



993
23 Jul 2017, 5:40 pm #110
(23 Jul 2017, 5:19 pm)Kuyoyo Maybe because its refurbishment was never finished. It still retains Urban90s at present.

Ah right! Wasn't aware of that...they seem to have left it quite a while though...may end up just getting repainted into the new livery instead!
peter
23 Jul 2017, 5:40 pm #110

(23 Jul 2017, 5:19 pm)Kuyoyo Maybe because its refurbishment was never finished. It still retains Urban90s at present.

Ah right! Wasn't aware of that...they seem to have left it quite a while though...may end up just getting repainted into the new livery instead!

mb134



4,144
23 Jul 2017, 5:42 pm #111
(23 Jul 2017, 5:40 pm)peter Ah right! Wasn't aware of that...they seem to have left it quite a while though...may end up just getting repainted into the new livery instead!

It seems completely forgotten about to be honest! Though, with the amount of time it seems to spend VOR, I'm not too sure there's much time to refurbish it Wink
mb134
23 Jul 2017, 5:42 pm #111

(23 Jul 2017, 5:40 pm)peter Ah right! Wasn't aware of that...they seem to have left it quite a while though...may end up just getting repainted into the new livery instead!

It seems completely forgotten about to be honest! Though, with the amount of time it seems to spend VOR, I'm not too sure there's much time to refurbish it Wink

tyresmoke



5,318
24 Jul 2017, 8:12 am #112
(23 Jul 2017, 2:50 pm)peter Ah yes! I'd forgotten about 1512!! Perhaps then only the 12 mentioned above will transfer across!

I wonder if it will only be double-deckers withdrawn or whether 4516-8/20-21/23 will go instead (4519 has now been withdrawn hence why I haven't included it). They could potentially withdraw the vast majority of the remaining ALX400s, excluding the couple at Blyth.

On the topic of the 52/3/4. Is anything happening with regard to the new allocation of Streetlites? There are currently 9 in service at Jesmond yet the PVR of the services is 11. Perhaps it would make sense to transfer the two on the 35 to provide a full allocation - I believe at one point they were going to go MAX but with the new livery etc I doubt that'll be happening now! Similarly it would have been nice to see the X21 and X22 to Peterlee go MAX and then they could have finished the programme there.

As far as I understand only the DAF ALX400's and MPD's are on the hit list this year, meaning the Volvo's will have to wait til next year. It's likely that the Cadets at Stockton will go next year too.

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tyresmoke
24 Jul 2017, 8:12 am #112

(23 Jul 2017, 2:50 pm)peter Ah yes! I'd forgotten about 1512!! Perhaps then only the 12 mentioned above will transfer across!

I wonder if it will only be double-deckers withdrawn or whether 4516-8/20-21/23 will go instead (4519 has now been withdrawn hence why I haven't included it). They could potentially withdraw the vast majority of the remaining ALX400s, excluding the couple at Blyth.

On the topic of the 52/3/4. Is anything happening with regard to the new allocation of Streetlites? There are currently 9 in service at Jesmond yet the PVR of the services is 11. Perhaps it would make sense to transfer the two on the 35 to provide a full allocation - I believe at one point they were going to go MAX but with the new livery etc I doubt that'll be happening now! Similarly it would have been nice to see the X21 and X22 to Peterlee go MAX and then they could have finished the programme there.

As far as I understand only the DAF ALX400's and MPD's are on the hit list this year, meaning the Volvo's will have to wait til next year. It's likely that the Cadets at Stockton will go next year too.


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Jimmi



10,969
24 Jul 2017, 11:24 am #113
(23 Jul 2017, 3:55 pm)Kuyoyo I've now seen a comment from an employee from Jesmond that the Pulsars will be two examples off the 6 due to the lower capacity of Darlington's Sapphire Pulsars. However, the plan still seems to be one E400 to Durham and 1 to Darlington with the displaced Pulsar from Darlington going to Durham - which means Durham actually end up losing 2 Pulsars and gaining one with a lower capacity. Makes far more sense to send both E400s to Durham and covert two all day 6 boards to double decker operation.

The same person also reckons it will be the two displaced 14 plate examples that end up moving south of the Tyne.

Plan now seems to be 1513 will transfer from Darlington to Belmont with Darlington getting 7538 in return, so my theory is the two ex Ashington E400's will end up on the 6 and the 24 will get 1513.
Jimmi
24 Jul 2017, 11:24 am #113

(23 Jul 2017, 3:55 pm)Kuyoyo I've now seen a comment from an employee from Jesmond that the Pulsars will be two examples off the 6 due to the lower capacity of Darlington's Sapphire Pulsars. However, the plan still seems to be one E400 to Durham and 1 to Darlington with the displaced Pulsar from Darlington going to Durham - which means Durham actually end up losing 2 Pulsars and gaining one with a lower capacity. Makes far more sense to send both E400s to Durham and covert two all day 6 boards to double decker operation.

The same person also reckons it will be the two displaced 14 plate examples that end up moving south of the Tyne.

Plan now seems to be 1513 will transfer from Darlington to Belmont with Darlington getting 7538 in return, so my theory is the two ex Ashington E400's will end up on the 6 and the 24 will get 1513.

24 Jul 2017, 12:42 pm #114
(24 Jul 2017, 11:24 am)Jimmi Plan now seems to be 1513 will transfer from Darlington to Belmont with Darlington getting 7538 in return, so my theory is the two ex Ashington E400's will end up on the 6 and the 24 will get 1513.

I don't see why they just don't transfer 7519/20/21 for 1514/5/6 then the 7 can be all decker allocated, all the pulsars would then be at Durham
Stuartphin1639
24 Jul 2017, 12:42 pm #114

(24 Jul 2017, 11:24 am)Jimmi Plan now seems to be 1513 will transfer from Darlington to Belmont with Darlington getting 7538 in return, so my theory is the two ex Ashington E400's will end up on the 6 and the 24 will get 1513.

I don't see why they just don't transfer 7519/20/21 for 1514/5/6 then the 7 can be all decker allocated, all the pulsars would then be at Durham

Cock Robin



2,778
24 Jul 2017, 12:53 pm #115
(22 Jul 2017, 9:52 pm)Malarkey An E200MMC in the new Sapphire Livery on service 700 with Arriva Southern Counties and it looks awful - https://www.flickr.com/photos/thebestint...922837792/

That's dire!
Cock Robin
24 Jul 2017, 12:53 pm #115

(22 Jul 2017, 9:52 pm)Malarkey An E200MMC in the new Sapphire Livery on service 700 with Arriva Southern Counties and it looks awful - https://www.flickr.com/photos/thebestint...922837792/

That's dire!

Jimmi



10,969
24 Jul 2017, 1:11 pm #116
(24 Jul 2017, 12:42 pm)Stuartphin1639 I don't see why they just don't transfer 7519/20/21 for 1514/5/6 then the 7 can be all decker allocated, all the pulsars would then be at Durham

Probably is far more fuel efficient to use Pulsar's all day, everyday though than having E400's out all day and not all of the boards really require a double decker. I did hear talk about the 7 potentially becoming fully double deck operated a while ago but can't ever see that happening myself.
Jimmi
24 Jul 2017, 1:11 pm #116

(24 Jul 2017, 12:42 pm)Stuartphin1639 I don't see why they just don't transfer 7519/20/21 for 1514/5/6 then the 7 can be all decker allocated, all the pulsars would then be at Durham

Probably is far more fuel efficient to use Pulsar's all day, everyday though than having E400's out all day and not all of the boards really require a double decker. I did hear talk about the 7 potentially becoming fully double deck operated a while ago but can't ever see that happening myself.

Kuyoyo



6,853
24 Jul 2017, 3:58 pm #117
(24 Jul 2017, 12:42 pm)Stuartphin1639 I don't see why they just don't transfer 7519/20/21 for 1514/5/6 then the 7 can be all decker allocated, all the pulsars would then be at Durham

And then what would Durham do about their 6 boards that require Deckers due to interworkinf with schools?
Kuyoyo
24 Jul 2017, 3:58 pm #117

(24 Jul 2017, 12:42 pm)Stuartphin1639 I don't see why they just don't transfer 7519/20/21 for 1514/5/6 then the 7 can be all decker allocated, all the pulsars would then be at Durham

And then what would Durham do about their 6 boards that require Deckers due to interworkinf with schools?

cbma06



2,669
24 Jul 2017, 8:19 pm #118
So there's only going to be only 7539 and pulsars on service 24?


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cbma06
24 Jul 2017, 8:19 pm #118

So there's only going to be only 7539 and pulsars on service 24?


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mb134



4,144
25 Jul 2017, 9:05 am #119
At least 3 MMCs sitting in Ashington depot this morning. 7503/6/23/26/27 all on X21/22. Problems already?
Edited 25 Jul 2017, 9:18 am by mb134.
mb134
25 Jul 2017, 9:05 am #119

At least 3 MMCs sitting in Ashington depot this morning. 7503/6/23/26/27 all on X21/22. Problems already?

mb134



4,144
25 Jul 2017, 4:53 pm #120
7548 looks to have failed at Regent Centre on an X22. 7544 picking up passengers now on the X21 behind it.
mb134
25 Jul 2017, 4:53 pm #120

7548 looks to have failed at Regent Centre on an X22. 7544 picking up passengers now on the X21 behind it.

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