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Michael



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03 Sep 2017, 9:55 am #61
NK67 EBP spotted at Heysham yesterday. (6312?)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nsf323alis...ateposted/
Edited 03 Sep 2017, 9:59 am by Michael.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
03 Sep 2017, 9:55 am #61

NK67 EBP spotted at Heysham yesterday. (6312?)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nsf323alis...ateposted/


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Dan

Site Administrator

18,114
03 Sep 2017, 11:14 am #62
(03 Sep 2017, 8:19 am)Jimmi Other than it not being route branded for the X5, I don't see a problem with this, like you say it is likely to be for the reason given, I'd rather have a service run with a little bus than use a big bus only for the service to swiftly be withdrawn because it can't cover the increased costs of running a large bus, probably just enthusiasts not happy about beastie Solo mates being used over Citaro's. Do the Black Cats Solo SRs have WiFi or USBs? As if not, that's the only other downside to that allocation.

Solo's being used on Sunday's on routes that use full size buses during the week ain't nothing new either, Arriva do the same.

A low-carbon emission Optare Solo achieves, on average, 10 MPG. As well as this; Go North East can claim a BSOG payment of an additional 6p per kilometre, operated in public service. By comparison, a Mercedes Citaro achieves around 8 MPG, with no additional BSOG payments.

Let's say that a trip on the X5, between Sunderland and Hartlepool, is approximately 27 miles (or 43.5km). A round trip would be 54 miles (or 87km). Looking at the timetable, there's around 10 round trips per day (so 540 miles or 870 kilometres, for the Sunday operation).

According to the Go Ahead year end results, Go North East has hedged its fuel price at 36.4p per litre.

So if my mental arithmetic is up to scratch on this fine Sunday afternoon, excluding driver costs, it would cost the following to run the bus itself:

Mercedes Citaro - £111.70
Low-carbon Optare Solo - £89.36, less £52.20 (which Go North East would receive in additional BSOG) = £37.16

Of course these are just rough numbers, but that equates to a difference of £74.54. Just for a change in vehicle allocation. It is the downside of branding and a difficult choice for the operator to make, but for a developmental service, it makes sense to run the service at as small a cost as possible.

The internal specification of the buses isn't vastly different (the Solos have Wi-Fi and Next Stop Announcements, only missing the USB power sockets of the Mercedes Citaros normally allocated).

Should the Sunday service operate profitably and with high passenger numbers, I am sure we will see an upgrade in capacity provided. The Optare Solos could easily be deployed on the likes of services 135/136, with Streetlites instead being allocated to the X5 service, if the lower capacity on the Solos causes that much of an issue on the X5. For now, let's walk before we can run...
Dan
03 Sep 2017, 11:14 am #62

(03 Sep 2017, 8:19 am)Jimmi Other than it not being route branded for the X5, I don't see a problem with this, like you say it is likely to be for the reason given, I'd rather have a service run with a little bus than use a big bus only for the service to swiftly be withdrawn because it can't cover the increased costs of running a large bus, probably just enthusiasts not happy about beastie Solo mates being used over Citaro's. Do the Black Cats Solo SRs have WiFi or USBs? As if not, that's the only other downside to that allocation.

Solo's being used on Sunday's on routes that use full size buses during the week ain't nothing new either, Arriva do the same.

A low-carbon emission Optare Solo achieves, on average, 10 MPG. As well as this; Go North East can claim a BSOG payment of an additional 6p per kilometre, operated in public service. By comparison, a Mercedes Citaro achieves around 8 MPG, with no additional BSOG payments.

Let's say that a trip on the X5, between Sunderland and Hartlepool, is approximately 27 miles (or 43.5km). A round trip would be 54 miles (or 87km). Looking at the timetable, there's around 10 round trips per day (so 540 miles or 870 kilometres, for the Sunday operation).

According to the Go Ahead year end results, Go North East has hedged its fuel price at 36.4p per litre.

So if my mental arithmetic is up to scratch on this fine Sunday afternoon, excluding driver costs, it would cost the following to run the bus itself:

Mercedes Citaro - £111.70
Low-carbon Optare Solo - £89.36, less £52.20 (which Go North East would receive in additional BSOG) = £37.16

Of course these are just rough numbers, but that equates to a difference of £74.54. Just for a change in vehicle allocation. It is the downside of branding and a difficult choice for the operator to make, but for a developmental service, it makes sense to run the service at as small a cost as possible.

The internal specification of the buses isn't vastly different (the Solos have Wi-Fi and Next Stop Announcements, only missing the USB power sockets of the Mercedes Citaros normally allocated).

Should the Sunday service operate profitably and with high passenger numbers, I am sure we will see an upgrade in capacity provided. The Optare Solos could easily be deployed on the likes of services 135/136, with Streetlites instead being allocated to the X5 service, if the lower capacity on the Solos causes that much of an issue on the X5. For now, let's walk before we can run...

Michael



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03 Sep 2017, 11:23 am #63
Have any other allocations changed on a Sunday due to the changes or during the week? (expect for the X9/X10, which will change at a later date and the X21).
Edited 03 Sep 2017, 11:26 am by Michael.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
03 Sep 2017, 11:23 am #63

Have any other allocations changed on a Sunday due to the changes or during the week? (expect for the X9/X10, which will change at a later date and the X21).


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

citaro5284



3,232
03 Sep 2017, 11:25 am #64
(03 Sep 2017, 11:23 am)Michael Have any other allocations changed on a a Sunday due to the changes?

Streetdecks now on X21
citaro5284
03 Sep 2017, 11:25 am #64

(03 Sep 2017, 11:23 am)Michael Have any other allocations changed on a a Sunday due to the changes?

Streetdecks now on X21

Michael



19,160
03 Sep 2017, 11:26 am #65
(03 Sep 2017, 11:25 am)citaro5284 Streetdecks now on X21

Just edited my post to include the X21 haha

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
03 Sep 2017, 11:26 am #65

(03 Sep 2017, 11:25 am)citaro5284 Streetdecks now on X21

Just edited my post to include the X21 haha


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Dan

Site Administrator

18,114
03 Sep 2017, 11:28 am #66
(03 Sep 2017, 9:55 am)Michael NK67 EBP spotted at Heysham yesterday. (6312?)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nsf323alis...ateposted/

Yes - that's 6312, but the registration on the photo is incorrect. It is actually registered as NK67 EBF.

You can see that the registrations on our fleet list are already taxed:
https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/
Dan
03 Sep 2017, 11:28 am #66

(03 Sep 2017, 9:55 am)Michael NK67 EBP spotted at Heysham yesterday. (6312?)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nsf323alis...ateposted/

Yes - that's 6312, but the registration on the photo is incorrect. It is actually registered as NK67 EBF.

You can see that the registrations on our fleet list are already taxed:
https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/

Dan

Site Administrator

18,114
03 Sep 2017, 11:39 am #67
(03 Sep 2017, 11:23 am)Michael Have any other allocations changed on a Sunday due to the changes or during the week? (expect for the X9/X10, which will change at a later date and the X21).

There are a large number of changes to weekday peak-time allocations - with some examples including a Chester-le-Street Scania L94 being allocated to service 20, a Riverside Scania L94 being allocated to service X21, a Stanley Scania OmniDekka being allocated to service 10X, etc.

On Sundays, no major changes. Deptford summarised as below:

Service 8 - Solo (Fleet livery)
Service 9 - Streetlite (Black Cats or Fleet Livery)
Service 38C - Solo SR (Fleet livery)
Service 135/136 - Streetlite (Black Cats)
Service X5 - Solo SR (Black Cats), fleet livery Streetlite as spare.
Dan
03 Sep 2017, 11:39 am #67

(03 Sep 2017, 11:23 am)Michael Have any other allocations changed on a Sunday due to the changes or during the week? (expect for the X9/X10, which will change at a later date and the X21).

There are a large number of changes to weekday peak-time allocations - with some examples including a Chester-le-Street Scania L94 being allocated to service 20, a Riverside Scania L94 being allocated to service X21, a Stanley Scania OmniDekka being allocated to service 10X, etc.

On Sundays, no major changes. Deptford summarised as below:

Service 8 - Solo (Fleet livery)
Service 9 - Streetlite (Black Cats or Fleet Livery)
Service 38C - Solo SR (Fleet livery)
Service 135/136 - Streetlite (Black Cats)
Service X5 - Solo SR (Black Cats), fleet livery Streetlite as spare.

S813 FVK



6,030
03 Sep 2017, 12:20 pm #68
Guessing the Stanley 10X is the 16:52 to Prudhoe?
S813 FVK
03 Sep 2017, 12:20 pm #68

Guessing the Stanley 10X is the 16:52 to Prudhoe?

JP6004



1,833
03 Sep 2017, 4:07 pm #69
With a load of Vykings forming part of the Special Events fleet, will they be repainted white the same as the coaches?

(02 Sep 2017, 9:21 am)citaro5284 Lets hope the stickers hold better than the Streetdecks on Castles or the poor bloke - he will end up legless on the A19...and we all know that could be dangerous  Tongue

Nothing worse im sure!   Wink
Edited 03 Sep 2017, 4:10 pm by JP6004.
JP6004
03 Sep 2017, 4:07 pm #69

With a load of Vykings forming part of the Special Events fleet, will they be repainted white the same as the coaches?


(02 Sep 2017, 9:21 am)citaro5284 Lets hope the stickers hold better than the Streetdecks on Castles or the poor bloke - he will end up legless on the A19...and we all know that could be dangerous  Tongue

Nothing worse im sure!   Wink

03 Sep 2017, 5:11 pm #70
(01 Sep 2017, 8:58 pm)JP6004 It looks really smart. Dont like the rear at all especially since all the windows are covered up

Agreed. Front and sides good, rear rubbish. It'll make inside at the back dark and dismal.
Greg in Weardale
03 Sep 2017, 5:11 pm #70

(01 Sep 2017, 8:58 pm)JP6004 It looks really smart. Dont like the rear at all especially since all the windows are covered up

Agreed. Front and sides good, rear rubbish. It'll make inside at the back dark and dismal.

Dan

Site Administrator

18,114
03 Sep 2017, 5:13 pm #71
(03 Sep 2017, 5:11 pm)Greg in Weardale Agreed. Front and sides good, rear rubbish. It'll make inside at the back dark and dismal.

The passengers on Transdev's buses seem to cope alright. There's plenty of lighting.

[Image: 36465824492_ed92e2eacb.jpg]Transdev Yorkshire Coastliner: 3630 / BT66MVN by Daniel Graham, on Flickr

[Image: 33597019180_9e68d8c97c.jpg]Transdev Harrogate & District 3620 BL65 YYT on 36 (Rear), Leeds Bus Stn by sambuses, on Flickr
Dan
03 Sep 2017, 5:13 pm #71

(03 Sep 2017, 5:11 pm)Greg in Weardale Agreed. Front and sides good, rear rubbish. It'll make inside at the back dark and dismal.

The passengers on Transdev's buses seem to cope alright. There's plenty of lighting.

[Image: 36465824492_ed92e2eacb.jpg]Transdev Yorkshire Coastliner: 3630 / BT66MVN by Daniel Graham, on Flickr

[Image: 33597019180_9e68d8c97c.jpg]Transdev Harrogate & District 3620 BL65 YYT on 36 (Rear), Leeds Bus Stn by sambuses, on Flickr

citaro5284



3,232
03 Sep 2017, 5:32 pm #72
(03 Sep 2017, 5:11 pm)Greg in Weardale Agreed. Front and sides good, rear rubbish. It'll make inside at the back dark and dismal.

at least nothing on the windows - cannot have it all ways  Smile

#saveourwindows
citaro5284
03 Sep 2017, 5:32 pm #72

(03 Sep 2017, 5:11 pm)Greg in Weardale Agreed. Front and sides good, rear rubbish. It'll make inside at the back dark and dismal.

at least nothing on the windows - cannot have it all ways  Smile

#saveourwindows

03 Sep 2017, 5:46 pm #73
Not happy at the 35A sunday timetable ! At hylton castle shops towards heworth 08,28 then a 40 minute gap ! Nice to see it on time although my mate was driving ...
Citaro5326
03 Sep 2017, 5:46 pm #73

Not happy at the 35A sunday timetable ! At hylton castle shops towards heworth 08,28 then a 40 minute gap ! Nice to see it on time although my mate was driving ...

BusLoverMum



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03 Sep 2017, 6:24 pm #74
(02 Sep 2017, 6:10 pm)Malarkey I would of put the "Go North East | Journey's Taken Care Of" slogan on the rear upper deck window, then put the feature symbols on the rear advert itself above the X9/X10. Furthermore I would of aimed the rear adverts towards local attractions across the route, similar to what Transdev have with the Yorkshire Coastliner B5's.

Aye. Tees flyover. Stockton nick. Peterlee er...
BusLoverMum
03 Sep 2017, 6:24 pm #74

(02 Sep 2017, 6:10 pm)Malarkey I would of put the "Go North East | Journey's Taken Care Of" slogan on the rear upper deck window, then put the feature symbols on the rear advert itself above the X9/X10. Furthermore I would of aimed the rear adverts towards local attractions across the route, similar to what Transdev have with the Yorkshire Coastliner B5's.

Aye. Tees flyover. Stockton nick. Peterlee er...

Michael



19,160
03 Sep 2017, 6:28 pm #75
(03 Sep 2017, 5:46 pm)Citaro5326 Not happy at the 35A sunday timetable ! At hylton castle shops towards heworth 08,28 then a 40 minute gap ! Nice to see it on time although my mate was driving ...

That's daft, but it's probables due to the 35A not changing to the X5 at Houghton throughout the day now.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
03 Sep 2017, 6:28 pm #75

(03 Sep 2017, 5:46 pm)Citaro5326 Not happy at the 35A sunday timetable ! At hylton castle shops towards heworth 08,28 then a 40 minute gap ! Nice to see it on time although my mate was driving ...

That's daft, but it's probables due to the 35A not changing to the X5 at Houghton throughout the day now.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

citaro5284



3,232
03 Sep 2017, 7:07 pm #76
(03 Sep 2017, 6:24 pm)BusLoverMum Aye. Tees flyover. Stockton nick. Peterlee er...

**like**
citaro5284
03 Sep 2017, 7:07 pm #76

(03 Sep 2017, 6:24 pm)BusLoverMum Aye. Tees flyover. Stockton nick. Peterlee er...

**like**

03 Sep 2017, 7:16 pm #77
(03 Sep 2017, 6:28 pm)Michael That's daft, but it's probables due to the 35A not changing to the X5 at Houghton throughout the day now.

Its stupid but its better in a way , the 12 and 12A is the same at winlaton.
Citaro5326
03 Sep 2017, 7:16 pm #77

(03 Sep 2017, 6:28 pm)Michael That's daft, but it's probables due to the 35A not changing to the X5 at Houghton throughout the day now.

Its stupid but its better in a way , the 12 and 12A is the same at winlaton.

03 Sep 2017, 8:32 pm #78
(03 Sep 2017, 5:42 am)citaro5284 GNE drivers have their meal breaks in the Arriva Haymarket canteen, so might have had something to do with that.

Seems an odd idea, having meal breaks in a competitor's canteen! Might explain it though. Thanks for the reply.

New user, looking forward to more discussions across the forums!

Any plans for Blue Arrow and Cobalt Clipper to get new buses?  
OrangeArrow49
03 Sep 2017, 8:32 pm #78

(03 Sep 2017, 5:42 am)citaro5284 GNE drivers have their meal breaks in the Arriva Haymarket canteen, so might have had something to do with that.

Seems an odd idea, having meal breaks in a competitor's canteen! Might explain it though. Thanks for the reply.

New user, looking forward to more discussions across the forums!

Any plans for Blue Arrow and Cobalt Clipper to get new buses?  

JP6004



1,833
03 Sep 2017, 8:41 pm #79
I think the Angel wll be prioritised over the CC as like the Ten; dont have a full standarised allocation......yet
JP6004
03 Sep 2017, 8:41 pm #79

I think the Angel wll be prioritised over the CC as like the Ten; dont have a full standarised allocation......yet

03 Sep 2017, 8:58 pm #80
(03 Sep 2017, 8:41 pm)JP6004 I think the Angel wll be prioritised over the CC as like the Ten; dont have a full standarised allocation......yet

Usually the Angel was operated by the branded vehicle, but more recently has been allocated red buses.

CC likewise is usually a branded Wright Gemini, with Presidents sometimes used and occasionally a red single deck vehicle (can't remember what they are called!). Blue Arrow is not bad for short journeys but could perhaps do with something better eventually as it gains popularity.  

(03 Sep 2017, 8:41 pm)JP6004 I think the Angel wll be prioritised over the CC as like the Ten; dont have a full standarised allocation......yet

Tyne Valley Ten still has some (not sure how many) silver Ten branded examples. I thought the vehicles allocated were standardised though? Occasionally 10A/10B has been allocated a red bus,  not sure what.

I'm a bus enthusiast but still learning everything. So far, I think I like the Streetlites the best and the Citaros are good. When is the X84/X85 getting Citaros? Does 27 and X84/X85 have NSAs? Some destination blinds are white, others are orange, will this ever be standard? 

     
Edited 03 Sep 2017, 9:03 pm by OrangeArrow49.
OrangeArrow49
03 Sep 2017, 8:58 pm #80

(03 Sep 2017, 8:41 pm)JP6004 I think the Angel wll be prioritised over the CC as like the Ten; dont have a full standarised allocation......yet

Usually the Angel was operated by the branded vehicle, but more recently has been allocated red buses.

CC likewise is usually a branded Wright Gemini, with Presidents sometimes used and occasionally a red single deck vehicle (can't remember what they are called!). Blue Arrow is not bad for short journeys but could perhaps do with something better eventually as it gains popularity.  

(03 Sep 2017, 8:41 pm)JP6004 I think the Angel wll be prioritised over the CC as like the Ten; dont have a full standarised allocation......yet

Tyne Valley Ten still has some (not sure how many) silver Ten branded examples. I thought the vehicles allocated were standardised though? Occasionally 10A/10B has been allocated a red bus,  not sure what.

I'm a bus enthusiast but still learning everything. So far, I think I like the Streetlites the best and the Citaros are good. When is the X84/X85 getting Citaros? Does 27 and X84/X85 have NSAs? Some destination blinds are white, others are orange, will this ever be standard? 

     

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