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cbma06



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09 Sep 2017, 4:00 pm #161
(08 Sep 2017, 9:21 pm)BusLoverMum Or Tynedale Express Angel


Well I got the slightly delayed on departure 16:17 from ES (I had considered getting the ill fated X9 and begging husband for a lift from Peterlee, before getting on it and 2 X21s hadn't shown and the X12 that I just missed and assumed to be just a few minutes late was actually an hour late!) and it arrived in Durham just a few minutes before another one. (2.5 hours from the Dental school to home - I was knackered!)


Could be Tyne Valley Express


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cbma06
09 Sep 2017, 4:00 pm #161

(08 Sep 2017, 9:21 pm)BusLoverMum Or Tynedale Express Angel


Well I got the slightly delayed on departure 16:17 from ES (I had considered getting the ill fated X9 and begging husband for a lift from Peterlee, before getting on it and 2 X21s hadn't shown and the X12 that I just missed and assumed to be just a few minutes late was actually an hour late!) and it arrived in Durham just a few minutes before another one. (2.5 hours from the Dental school to home - I was knackered!)


Could be Tyne Valley Express


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09 Sep 2017, 8:43 pm #162
Tomorrow with the great north run the following allocations will happen
See it do it / Wear Xpress citaros on 56
Citaro5326
09 Sep 2017, 8:43 pm #162

Tomorrow with the great north run the following allocations will happen
See it do it / Wear Xpress citaros on 56

citaro5284



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09 Sep 2017, 8:46 pm #163
(09 Sep 2017, 8:43 pm)Citaro5326 Tomorrow with the great north run the following allocations will happen
See it do it / Wear Xpress citaros on 56

I think single deckers on 309/310 as well, so deckers can be used for GNR
Edited 09 Sep 2017, 8:49 pm by citaro5284.
citaro5284
09 Sep 2017, 8:46 pm #163

(09 Sep 2017, 8:43 pm)Citaro5326 Tomorrow with the great north run the following allocations will happen
See it do it / Wear Xpress citaros on 56

I think single deckers on 309/310 as well, so deckers can be used for GNR

eezypeazy



173
10 Sep 2017, 7:40 am #164
(09 Sep 2017, 2:36 pm)Andreos1 Now the QR system is rolled out and it's possible for Big Brother at GNE Towers to see a lot more about our journey/travel patterns, I wonder what sort of changes we will see?

The optimist in me, reckons we will see the return of more direct services and a reduction on services working the hub & spoke model.

The realist in me, reckons we will see further reductions in services and even more consolidation.

Hmm... X9/X10 serves Dalton Park; X5 and X21 extended to run on Sundays; extra late night journey on X1 weekdays; last 10 retimed to leave Newcastle at 2315; extra morning peak Q3; extra morning peak Prince Bishops into Durham; X22 increased to run hourly on Sundays; extra Lambton Worm journey weekdays; extra Fab 56 on Sunday mornings; more X66 morning peak journeys; more Loops on weekday afternoons... and that's just this month.

Looks to me as if Big Brother is using the data to provide more, not fewer, journey opportunities...

(Sits back and waits for Andreos to reel off a list of every service that's been reduced since 1986...)
Edited 10 Sep 2017, 7:42 am by eezypeazy.
eezypeazy
10 Sep 2017, 7:40 am #164

(09 Sep 2017, 2:36 pm)Andreos1 Now the QR system is rolled out and it's possible for Big Brother at GNE Towers to see a lot more about our journey/travel patterns, I wonder what sort of changes we will see?

The optimist in me, reckons we will see the return of more direct services and a reduction on services working the hub & spoke model.

The realist in me, reckons we will see further reductions in services and even more consolidation.

Hmm... X9/X10 serves Dalton Park; X5 and X21 extended to run on Sundays; extra late night journey on X1 weekdays; last 10 retimed to leave Newcastle at 2315; extra morning peak Q3; extra morning peak Prince Bishops into Durham; X22 increased to run hourly on Sundays; extra Lambton Worm journey weekdays; extra Fab 56 on Sunday mornings; more X66 morning peak journeys; more Loops on weekday afternoons... and that's just this month.

Looks to me as if Big Brother is using the data to provide more, not fewer, journey opportunities...

(Sits back and waits for Andreos to reel off a list of every service that's been reduced since 1986...)

10 Sep 2017, 7:55 am #165
(09 Sep 2017, 8:43 pm)Citaro5326 Tomorrow with the great north run the following allocations will happen
See it do it / Wear Xpress citaros on 56

Is that fact or speculation?
Crusader
10 Sep 2017, 7:55 am #165

(09 Sep 2017, 8:43 pm)Citaro5326 Tomorrow with the great north run the following allocations will happen
See it do it / Wear Xpress citaros on 56

Is that fact or speculation?

cbma06



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10 Sep 2017, 8:07 am #166
(10 Sep 2017, 7:55 am)Crusader Is that fact or speculation?


There's already been posts on Facebook with pictures of WX citario on the 56.


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cbma06
10 Sep 2017, 8:07 am #166

(10 Sep 2017, 7:55 am)Crusader Is that fact or speculation?


There's already been posts on Facebook with pictures of WX citario on the 56.


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10 Sep 2017, 8:31 am #167
(10 Sep 2017, 8:07 am)cbma06 There's already been posts on Facebook with pictures of WX citario on the 56.


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5333/5287/5290 so far
Citaro5326
10 Sep 2017, 8:31 am #167

(10 Sep 2017, 8:07 am)cbma06 There's already been posts on Facebook with pictures of WX citario on the 56.


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5333/5287/5290 so far

Andreos1



14,260
10 Sep 2017, 8:56 am #168
(10 Sep 2017, 7:40 am)eezypeazy Hmm... X9/X10 serves Dalton Park; X5 and X21 extended to run on Sundays; extra late night journey on X1 weekdays; last 10 retimed to leave Newcastle at 2315; extra morning peak Q3; extra morning peak Prince Bishops into Durham; X22 increased to run hourly on Sundays; extra Lambton Worm journey weekdays; extra Fab 56 on Sunday mornings; more X66 morning peak journeys; more Loops on weekday afternoons... and that's just this month.

Looks to me as if Big Brother is using the data to provide more, not fewer, journey opportunities...

(Sits back and waits for Andreos to reel off a list of every service that's been reduced since 1986...)

Let's hope the examples you provide, are just the beginning of a pattern of passenger improvements eezypeazy.
I would love to see the organisation continue to do u-turns and re-introduce (or even introduce) services or runs that benefit passengers.

However, you missed out the X22 and X39 curtailment and 11X changes.

(Sits back and waits for eezypeazy to start blathering on about passenger numbers, a magic money tree or other conservative, anti-passenger dogma)

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
10 Sep 2017, 8:56 am #168

(10 Sep 2017, 7:40 am)eezypeazy Hmm... X9/X10 serves Dalton Park; X5 and X21 extended to run on Sundays; extra late night journey on X1 weekdays; last 10 retimed to leave Newcastle at 2315; extra morning peak Q3; extra morning peak Prince Bishops into Durham; X22 increased to run hourly on Sundays; extra Lambton Worm journey weekdays; extra Fab 56 on Sunday mornings; more X66 morning peak journeys; more Loops on weekday afternoons... and that's just this month.

Looks to me as if Big Brother is using the data to provide more, not fewer, journey opportunities...

(Sits back and waits for Andreos to reel off a list of every service that's been reduced since 1986...)

Let's hope the examples you provide, are just the beginning of a pattern of passenger improvements eezypeazy.
I would love to see the organisation continue to do u-turns and re-introduce (or even introduce) services or runs that benefit passengers.

However, you missed out the X22 and X39 curtailment and 11X changes.

(Sits back and waits for eezypeazy to start blathering on about passenger numbers, a magic money tree or other conservative, anti-passenger dogma)


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Michael



19,178
10 Sep 2017, 10:31 am #169
Another B5 spotted yesterday, either 6311 or 6314:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nsf323alis...otostream/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nsf323alis...otostream/
Edited 10 Sep 2017, 10:33 am by Michael.

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Michael
10 Sep 2017, 10:31 am #169

Another B5 spotted yesterday, either 6311 or 6314:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nsf323alis...otostream/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nsf323alis...otostream/


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

L469 YVK



3,557
10 Sep 2017, 10:58 am #170
(10 Sep 2017, 7:40 am)eezypeazy Hmm... X9/X10 serves Dalton Park; X5 and X21 extended to run on Sundays; extra late night journey on X1 weekdays; last 10 retimed to leave Newcastle at 2315; extra morning peak Q3; extra morning peak Prince Bishops into Durham; X22 increased to run hourly on Sundays; extra Lambton Worm journey weekdays; extra Fab 56 on Sunday mornings; more X66 morning peak journeys; more Loops on weekday afternoons... and that's just this month.

Looks to me as if Big Brother is using the data to provide more, not fewer, journey opportunities...

(Sits back and waits for Andreos to reel off a list of every service that's been reduced since 1986...)

10 only runs at 2315 on Sundays due to the 10B being withdrawn on Sunday evenings resulting in the 10/10A operating a combined 30 minute frequency.

Talking about QR codes, if I lets say was to get on 1x bus to Newcastle in the early evening and purchased a return or day ticket but used a similar service that doesn't stop as close due to my preferred service that finishes earlier, could that signal demand for a later service on my preferred route?
Edited 10 Sep 2017, 11:01 am by L469 YVK.
L469 YVK
10 Sep 2017, 10:58 am #170

(10 Sep 2017, 7:40 am)eezypeazy Hmm... X9/X10 serves Dalton Park; X5 and X21 extended to run on Sundays; extra late night journey on X1 weekdays; last 10 retimed to leave Newcastle at 2315; extra morning peak Q3; extra morning peak Prince Bishops into Durham; X22 increased to run hourly on Sundays; extra Lambton Worm journey weekdays; extra Fab 56 on Sunday mornings; more X66 morning peak journeys; more Loops on weekday afternoons... and that's just this month.

Looks to me as if Big Brother is using the data to provide more, not fewer, journey opportunities...

(Sits back and waits for Andreos to reel off a list of every service that's been reduced since 1986...)

10 only runs at 2315 on Sundays due to the 10B being withdrawn on Sunday evenings resulting in the 10/10A operating a combined 30 minute frequency.

Talking about QR codes, if I lets say was to get on 1x bus to Newcastle in the early evening and purchased a return or day ticket but used a similar service that doesn't stop as close due to my preferred service that finishes earlier, could that signal demand for a later service on my preferred route?

Jamie M

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10 Sep 2017, 11:18 am #171
Isnt the X27 a thing this year?

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Jamie M
10 Sep 2017, 11:18 am #171

Isnt the X27 a thing this year?

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Andreos1



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10 Sep 2017, 11:58 am #172
(10 Sep 2017, 10:58 am)L469 YVK 10 only runs at 2315 on Sundays due to the 10B being withdrawn on Sunday evenings resulting in the 10/10A operating a combined 30 minute frequency.

Talking about QR codes, if I lets say was to get on 1x bus to Newcastle in the early evening and purchased a return or day ticket but used a similar service that doesn't stop as close due to my preferred service that finishes earlier, could that signal demand for a later service on my preferred route?

In theory, it is a lot easier for operators to monitor cash fare patterns now. Particularly in the case of day/week/month tickets.

It wasnt possible to monitor where each individual ticket ended up on parts of the passengers trip.
Granted surveys could be carried out previously, but now that data can be stored and trends identified.

As citaro5284 pointed out yesterday, those with smartcards could have been monitored in the recent past.
Now there is the potential to monitor all passengers.

Suppose we just have to wait and see how they use that data!
Edited 10 Sep 2017, 12:01 pm by Andreos1.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
10 Sep 2017, 11:58 am #172

(10 Sep 2017, 10:58 am)L469 YVK 10 only runs at 2315 on Sundays due to the 10B being withdrawn on Sunday evenings resulting in the 10/10A operating a combined 30 minute frequency.

Talking about QR codes, if I lets say was to get on 1x bus to Newcastle in the early evening and purchased a return or day ticket but used a similar service that doesn't stop as close due to my preferred service that finishes earlier, could that signal demand for a later service on my preferred route?

In theory, it is a lot easier for operators to monitor cash fare patterns now. Particularly in the case of day/week/month tickets.

It wasnt possible to monitor where each individual ticket ended up on parts of the passengers trip.
Granted surveys could be carried out previously, but now that data can be stored and trends identified.

As citaro5284 pointed out yesterday, those with smartcards could have been monitored in the recent past.
Now there is the potential to monitor all passengers.

Suppose we just have to wait and see how they use that data!


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

eezypeazy



173
10 Sep 2017, 3:23 pm #173
(10 Sep 2017, 8:56 am)Andreos (Sits back and waits for eezypeazy to start blathering on about passenger numbers, a magic money tree or other conservative, anti-passenger dogma)

Typical Andreos response. When you politely point out that the truth is rather different from his point of view, he resorts to hurling thinly-veiled insults!

As anyone who knows me well will attest, I have been a passionate advocate for good public transport almost all my life!

So much for a 'kinder, gentler style of politics'!

Still, I should have learned by now that Andreos is always right, and I'm always wrong...

And as for 'anti-passenger dogma': yesterday, I went TEN MILES out of my way to help two passengers who would otherwise have been stranded in the middle of nowhere!
eezypeazy
10 Sep 2017, 3:23 pm #173

(10 Sep 2017, 8:56 am)Andreos (Sits back and waits for eezypeazy to start blathering on about passenger numbers, a magic money tree or other conservative, anti-passenger dogma)

Typical Andreos response. When you politely point out that the truth is rather different from his point of view, he resorts to hurling thinly-veiled insults!

As anyone who knows me well will attest, I have been a passionate advocate for good public transport almost all my life!

So much for a 'kinder, gentler style of politics'!

Still, I should have learned by now that Andreos is always right, and I'm always wrong...

And as for 'anti-passenger dogma': yesterday, I went TEN MILES out of my way to help two passengers who would otherwise have been stranded in the middle of nowhere!

Andreos1



14,260
10 Sep 2017, 4:31 pm #174
(10 Sep 2017, 3:23 pm)eezypeazy Typical Andreos response. When you politely point out that the truth is rather different from his point of view, he resorts to hurling thinly-veiled insults!

As anyone who knows me well will attest, I have been a passionate advocate for good public transport almost all my life!

So much for a 'kinder, gentler style of politics'!

Still, I should have learned by now that Andreos is always right, and I'm always wrong...

And as for 'anti-passenger dogma': yesterday, I went TEN MILES out of my way to help two passengers who would otherwise have been stranded in the middle of nowhere!

I wouldnt flatter yourself eezypeazy...
*but harks back to less than thinly veiled insults hurled from yourself*

I didn't realise it was a 'right versus wrong' either. I assumed (wrongly it seems) that as well as the services you mentioned, there were those bits of news that had not been mentioned. So I mentioned them.
In addition to another poster who pointed something else that had been missing from your post too.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
10 Sep 2017, 4:31 pm #174

(10 Sep 2017, 3:23 pm)eezypeazy Typical Andreos response. When you politely point out that the truth is rather different from his point of view, he resorts to hurling thinly-veiled insults!

As anyone who knows me well will attest, I have been a passionate advocate for good public transport almost all my life!

So much for a 'kinder, gentler style of politics'!

Still, I should have learned by now that Andreos is always right, and I'm always wrong...

And as for 'anti-passenger dogma': yesterday, I went TEN MILES out of my way to help two passengers who would otherwise have been stranded in the middle of nowhere!

I wouldnt flatter yourself eezypeazy...
*but harks back to less than thinly veiled insults hurled from yourself*

I didn't realise it was a 'right versus wrong' either. I assumed (wrongly it seems) that as well as the services you mentioned, there were those bits of news that had not been mentioned. So I mentioned them.
In addition to another poster who pointed something else that had been missing from your post too.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Malarkey



6,064
10 Sep 2017, 6:47 pm #175
6313 (NK67 EBG) departing South Shields Promenade on Private Hire for the Great North Run - https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalark...ed-public/
Malarkey
10 Sep 2017, 6:47 pm #175

6313 (NK67 EBG) departing South Shields Promenade on Private Hire for the Great North Run - https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalark...ed-public/

busmanT



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10 Sep 2017, 9:34 pm #176
(10 Sep 2017, 8:56 am)Andreos1 Let's hope the examples you provide, are just the beginning of a pattern of passenger improvements eezypeazy.
I would love to see the organisation continue to do u-turns and re-introduce (or even introduce) services or runs that benefit passengers.

However, you missed out the X22 and X39 curtailment and 11X changes.

(Sits back and waits for eezypeazy to start blathering on about passenger numbers, a magic money tree or other conservative, anti-passenger dogma)

11X and X39 changes/curtailment are hardly major cutbacks - any passengers who used the X39 to Gateshead can easily change buses in Central Newcastle, and similarly anyone who used the 11X.

X22 has changed just on one day per week - on Sunday it doesn't run from Durham (it only ran every 2 hours) but now runs from Chester-le-Street on an improved hourly frequency. With X21 now running on 
Sunday, any passenger doing Durham to Metrocentre can catch X21 to Gateshead and then X66 every hour.

Services or runs only benefit passengers if they use them, in most cases where Go North East have changed services passengers can still travel.

It's not only Go North East that makes service changes, Stagecoach North East have taken out almost 30 buses this year, with many services having changed.
busmanT
10 Sep 2017, 9:34 pm #176

(10 Sep 2017, 8:56 am)Andreos1 Let's hope the examples you provide, are just the beginning of a pattern of passenger improvements eezypeazy.
I would love to see the organisation continue to do u-turns and re-introduce (or even introduce) services or runs that benefit passengers.

However, you missed out the X22 and X39 curtailment and 11X changes.

(Sits back and waits for eezypeazy to start blathering on about passenger numbers, a magic money tree or other conservative, anti-passenger dogma)

11X and X39 changes/curtailment are hardly major cutbacks - any passengers who used the X39 to Gateshead can easily change buses in Central Newcastle, and similarly anyone who used the 11X.

X22 has changed just on one day per week - on Sunday it doesn't run from Durham (it only ran every 2 hours) but now runs from Chester-le-Street on an improved hourly frequency. With X21 now running on 
Sunday, any passenger doing Durham to Metrocentre can catch X21 to Gateshead and then X66 every hour.

Services or runs only benefit passengers if they use them, in most cases where Go North East have changed services passengers can still travel.

It's not only Go North East that makes service changes, Stagecoach North East have taken out almost 30 buses this year, with many services having changed.

Andreos1



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10 Sep 2017, 10:09 pm #177
(10 Sep 2017, 9:34 pm)busmanT 11X and X39 changes/curtailment are hardly major cutbacks - any passengers who used the X39 to Gateshead can easily change buses in Central Newcastle, and similarly anyone who used the 11X.

X22 has changed just on one day per week - on Sunday it doesn't run from Durham (it only ran every 2 hours) but now runs from Chester-le-Street on an improved hourly frequency. With X21 now running on 
Sunday, any passenger doing Durham to Metrocentre can catch X21 to Gateshead and then X66 every hour.

Services or runs only benefit passengers if they use them, in most cases where Go North East have changed services passengers can still travel.

It's not only Go North East that makes service changes, Stagecoach North East have taken out almost 30 buses this year, with many services having changed.



Without dragging this on and taking it away from the original point of the original post (which was about being able to analyse passenger trends using the QR data) - whether they're all major cutbacks or not, they're still cutbacks.

Just like the improvements suggested by eezypeazy, aren't all major improvements.
As an example, when early morning trips on the 34/34A were axed a few years ago, GNE didnt make much of a fanfare about it. So it mustn't have been a major cutback.

If eezypeazy hadn't gone all defensive and went on a mission to highlight certain points (that he/she thought positive) from the September changes, I am not sure this discussion would even be taking place.
I certainly wouldnt have needed to try and provide balance to his post.

So... I wonder what will happen, now that technology has moved on and cash payers trips can be monitored?

More consolidation or the reintroduction of more direct services?

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
10 Sep 2017, 10:09 pm #177

(10 Sep 2017, 9:34 pm)busmanT 11X and X39 changes/curtailment are hardly major cutbacks - any passengers who used the X39 to Gateshead can easily change buses in Central Newcastle, and similarly anyone who used the 11X.

X22 has changed just on one day per week - on Sunday it doesn't run from Durham (it only ran every 2 hours) but now runs from Chester-le-Street on an improved hourly frequency. With X21 now running on 
Sunday, any passenger doing Durham to Metrocentre can catch X21 to Gateshead and then X66 every hour.

Services or runs only benefit passengers if they use them, in most cases where Go North East have changed services passengers can still travel.

It's not only Go North East that makes service changes, Stagecoach North East have taken out almost 30 buses this year, with many services having changed.



Without dragging this on and taking it away from the original point of the original post (which was about being able to analyse passenger trends using the QR data) - whether they're all major cutbacks or not, they're still cutbacks.

Just like the improvements suggested by eezypeazy, aren't all major improvements.
As an example, when early morning trips on the 34/34A were axed a few years ago, GNE didnt make much of a fanfare about it. So it mustn't have been a major cutback.

If eezypeazy hadn't gone all defensive and went on a mission to highlight certain points (that he/she thought positive) from the September changes, I am not sure this discussion would even be taking place.
I certainly wouldnt have needed to try and provide balance to his post.

So... I wonder what will happen, now that technology has moved on and cash payers trips can be monitored?

More consolidation or the reintroduction of more direct services?


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Jamie M

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10 Sep 2017, 10:13 pm #178
I think it's time to rework washy's minibuses again. They've been like their current stage for a week too long!

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Jamie M
10 Sep 2017, 10:13 pm #178

I think it's time to rework washy's minibuses again. They've been like their current stage for a week too long!

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Ambassador



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10 Sep 2017, 11:44 pm #179
(10 Sep 2017, 9:34 pm)busmanT 11X and X39 changes/curtailment are hardly major cutbacks - any passengers who used the X39 to Gateshead can easily change buses in Central Newcastle, and similarly anyone who used the 11X.

My only niggle here is that it reduces the appeal of bus travel if you force people through interchanges and extended journey times. Additionally a single ticket holder now has to either stump up twice or buy a day ticket. Of course, no one expects an operator to run at a loss or for everywhere to have a direct service but it does dampen the appeal.

I am heavily incentivised through work to use public transport but I've colleagues who'd rather sit on the A1 for an hour than Consider getting a bus and it's those people you need to attract to sustain growth.

Wistfully stuck in the 90s
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10 Sep 2017, 11:44 pm #179

(10 Sep 2017, 9:34 pm)busmanT 11X and X39 changes/curtailment are hardly major cutbacks - any passengers who used the X39 to Gateshead can easily change buses in Central Newcastle, and similarly anyone who used the 11X.

My only niggle here is that it reduces the appeal of bus travel if you force people through interchanges and extended journey times. Additionally a single ticket holder now has to either stump up twice or buy a day ticket. Of course, no one expects an operator to run at a loss or for everywhere to have a direct service but it does dampen the appeal.

I am heavily incentivised through work to use public transport but I've colleagues who'd rather sit on the A1 for an hour than Consider getting a bus and it's those people you need to attract to sustain growth.


Wistfully stuck in the 90s

Michael



19,178
11 Sep 2017, 8:57 am #180
Has 3978, 3980, 3982, 6013 and 6032 been withdrawn yet?, as they were supposed to be withdrawn after the GNR.

Has any transfers took place due to the first 5 B5's entering service?
Edited 11 Sep 2017, 8:59 am by Michael.

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Michael
11 Sep 2017, 8:57 am #180

Has 3978, 3980, 3982, 6013 and 6032 been withdrawn yet?, as they were supposed to be withdrawn after the GNR.

Has any transfers took place due to the first 5 B5's entering service?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

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