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S830OFT



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27 Mar 2018, 2:09 pm #201
(27 Mar 2018, 8:03 am)Dan 6126, 6127, 6129 - Stanley to Riverside (for Jewish Scholars)
3995, 3996, 6136 - Stanley to Percy Main
6009, 6025, 6031 - Withdrawn (replaced as above)
559 - Withdrawn (suffered defects, 4899 has replaced it)
4937 - Withdrawn (suffered defects, but was already planned for withdrawal).

Will 4899 be withdrawn next month as its tax runs out.


S830OFT
27 Mar 2018, 2:09 pm #201

(27 Mar 2018, 8:03 am)Dan 6126, 6127, 6129 - Stanley to Riverside (for Jewish Scholars)
3995, 3996, 6136 - Stanley to Percy Main
6009, 6025, 6031 - Withdrawn (replaced as above)
559 - Withdrawn (suffered defects, 4899 has replaced it)
4937 - Withdrawn (suffered defects, but was already planned for withdrawal).

Will 4899 be withdrawn next month as its tax runs out.


Dan

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18,117
27 Mar 2018, 2:29 pm #202
(27 Mar 2018, 2:09 pm)S830OFT Will 4899 be withdrawn next month as its tax runs out.

Tax is no problem to renew, it's just MOT which has a more significant cost.
Dan
27 Mar 2018, 2:29 pm #202

(27 Mar 2018, 2:09 pm)S830OFT Will 4899 be withdrawn next month as its tax runs out.

Tax is no problem to renew, it's just MOT which has a more significant cost.

OrangeArrow49



1,359
27 Mar 2018, 3:13 pm #203
(27 Mar 2018, 10:26 am)xpm Blue Buzzfare will get you as far as the Frenchmans (Just past Throckley bank top) - If you want to ride the full route you'll need a 3 Zone+ Buzz as it goes through Cherry and Orange as well - you need all the zones you travel through - not just the one you board at.  NSAs were recently introduced on the route, but still need a bit of tweaking at the moment.

My planned trip is Denton Burn - Eldon Square - Haymarket - Cobalt Business Park - Haymarket - Eldon Square - Denton Burn, which involves Tynedale Express X84/X85, Cobalt Clipper 309/310 and some walking. I hope the connections work out. I think a Blue Zone covers my journey. Do I just ask for a Blue Zone?

After I took a return trip on the Tynedale Links 74 recently, I was thinking how do the drivers keep track of where every has to get off when using the Adult Return or Blue Zone or whatever? 

Thanks.
OrangeArrow49
27 Mar 2018, 3:13 pm #203

(27 Mar 2018, 10:26 am)xpm Blue Buzzfare will get you as far as the Frenchmans (Just past Throckley bank top) - If you want to ride the full route you'll need a 3 Zone+ Buzz as it goes through Cherry and Orange as well - you need all the zones you travel through - not just the one you board at.  NSAs were recently introduced on the route, but still need a bit of tweaking at the moment.

My planned trip is Denton Burn - Eldon Square - Haymarket - Cobalt Business Park - Haymarket - Eldon Square - Denton Burn, which involves Tynedale Express X84/X85, Cobalt Clipper 309/310 and some walking. I hope the connections work out. I think a Blue Zone covers my journey. Do I just ask for a Blue Zone?

After I took a return trip on the Tynedale Links 74 recently, I was thinking how do the drivers keep track of where every has to get off when using the Adult Return or Blue Zone or whatever? 

Thanks.

Boggle



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27 Mar 2018, 7:14 pm #204
(27 Mar 2018, 8:03 am)Dan 6126, 6127, 6129 - Stanley to Riverside (for Jewish Scholars)
3995, 3996, 6136 - Stanley to Percy Main
6009, 6025, 6031 - Withdrawn (replaced as above)
559 - Withdrawn (suffered defects, 4899 has replaced it)
4937 - Withdrawn (suffered defects, but was already planned for withdrawal).

6136 still at Stanley this afternoon, it worked the 16:50 peak X21.  I guess it's due to move soon.
Boggle
27 Mar 2018, 7:14 pm #204

(27 Mar 2018, 8:03 am)Dan 6126, 6127, 6129 - Stanley to Riverside (for Jewish Scholars)
3995, 3996, 6136 - Stanley to Percy Main
6009, 6025, 6031 - Withdrawn (replaced as above)
559 - Withdrawn (suffered defects, 4899 has replaced it)
4937 - Withdrawn (suffered defects, but was already planned for withdrawal).

6136 still at Stanley this afternoon, it worked the 16:50 peak X21.  I guess it's due to move soon.

Andreos1



14,218
27 Mar 2018, 7:31 pm #205
(27 Mar 2018, 3:13 pm)OrangeArrow49 My planned trip is Denton Burn - Eldon Square - Haymarket - Cobalt Business Park - Haymarket - Eldon Square - Denton Burn, which involves Tynedale Express X84/X85, Cobalt Clipper 309/310 and some walking. I hope the connections work out. I think a Blue Zone covers my journey. Do I just ask for a Blue Zone?

After I took a return trip on the Tynedale Links 74 recently, I was thinking how do the drivers keep track of where every has to get off when using the Adult Return or Blue Zone or whatever? 

Thanks.

Over-riding has probably been an issue since buses were invented.
Until all operators introduce a system where passengers are required to clock out on disembarking, I not sure it will ever be solved.

The Amsterdam tram system introduced a touch in/touch out system years ago. There will still be the problem of people travelling for free. But for those who do clock in, it will be impossible for them to over-ride.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
27 Mar 2018, 7:31 pm #205

(27 Mar 2018, 3:13 pm)OrangeArrow49 My planned trip is Denton Burn - Eldon Square - Haymarket - Cobalt Business Park - Haymarket - Eldon Square - Denton Burn, which involves Tynedale Express X84/X85, Cobalt Clipper 309/310 and some walking. I hope the connections work out. I think a Blue Zone covers my journey. Do I just ask for a Blue Zone?

After I took a return trip on the Tynedale Links 74 recently, I was thinking how do the drivers keep track of where every has to get off when using the Adult Return or Blue Zone or whatever? 

Thanks.

Over-riding has probably been an issue since buses were invented.
Until all operators introduce a system where passengers are required to clock out on disembarking, I not sure it will ever be solved.

The Amsterdam tram system introduced a touch in/touch out system years ago. There will still be the problem of people travelling for free. But for those who do clock in, it will be impossible for them to over-ride.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

OrangeArrow49



1,359
27 Mar 2018, 7:57 pm #206
(27 Mar 2018, 7:31 pm)Andreos1 Over-riding has probably been an issue since buses were invented.
Until all operators introduce a system where passengers are required to clock out on disembarking, I not sure it will ever be solved.

The Amsterdam tram system introduced a touch in/touch out system years ago. There will still be the problem of people travelling for free. But for those who do clock in, it will be impossible for them to over-ride.

Yes, I am sure it probably has. Requiring passengers to clock out when disembarking is a good idea. I don't know what the penalty for over-riding would be. I thought perhaps the driver was alerted when someone passed the point of the journey they had a valid ticket for, as passengers board with a Return or a particular zone ticket which goes into the machine, and could potentially tell drivers when someone has stayed on too long and needs to pay the extra. 

People will always find ways of getting around things, but a tap in/tap out system is a good solution. I would think a potential fine would be a good deterrent for regular bus users.
OrangeArrow49
27 Mar 2018, 7:57 pm #206

(27 Mar 2018, 7:31 pm)Andreos1 Over-riding has probably been an issue since buses were invented.
Until all operators introduce a system where passengers are required to clock out on disembarking, I not sure it will ever be solved.

The Amsterdam tram system introduced a touch in/touch out system years ago. There will still be the problem of people travelling for free. But for those who do clock in, it will be impossible for them to over-ride.

Yes, I am sure it probably has. Requiring passengers to clock out when disembarking is a good idea. I don't know what the penalty for over-riding would be. I thought perhaps the driver was alerted when someone passed the point of the journey they had a valid ticket for, as passengers board with a Return or a particular zone ticket which goes into the machine, and could potentially tell drivers when someone has stayed on too long and needs to pay the extra. 

People will always find ways of getting around things, but a tap in/tap out system is a good solution. I would think a potential fine would be a good deterrent for regular bus users.

Jamie M

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27 Mar 2018, 10:42 pm #207
(27 Mar 2018, 3:13 pm)OrangeArrow49 My planned trip is Denton Burn - Eldon Square - Haymarket - Cobalt Business Park - Haymarket - Eldon Square - Denton Burn, which involves Tynedale Express X84/X85, Cobalt Clipper 309/310 and some walking. I hope the connections work out. I think a Blue Zone covers my journey. 

[quote="OrangeArrow49" pid='215228' dateline='1522180664']

Yes, I am sure it probably has. Requiring passengers to clock out when disembarking is a good idea. I don't know what the penalty for over-riding would be. I thought perhaps the driver was alerted when someone passed the point of the journey they had a valid ticket for, as passengers board with a Return or a particular zone ticket which goes into the machine, and could potentially tell drivers when someone has stayed on too long and needs to pay the extra. 

People will always find ways of getting around things, but a tap in/tap out system is a good solution. I would think a potential fine would be a good deterrent for regular bus users.

Drivers aren't revenue protections and it would be nothing short of impratical if that was another of their concerns. People who get on without purchase get radio'd in, but aside from that there's not much deliberation from drivers over people who abuse the system. The orange jacket revenue protection officers are the ones who deal with that stuff, but for whatever reason, never seem to have a huge public presence.
Jamie M
27 Mar 2018, 10:42 pm #207

(27 Mar 2018, 3:13 pm)OrangeArrow49 My planned trip is Denton Burn - Eldon Square - Haymarket - Cobalt Business Park - Haymarket - Eldon Square - Denton Burn, which involves Tynedale Express X84/X85, Cobalt Clipper 309/310 and some walking. I hope the connections work out. I think a Blue Zone covers my journey. 

[quote="OrangeArrow49" pid='215228' dateline='1522180664']

Yes, I am sure it probably has. Requiring passengers to clock out when disembarking is a good idea. I don't know what the penalty for over-riding would be. I thought perhaps the driver was alerted when someone passed the point of the journey they had a valid ticket for, as passengers board with a Return or a particular zone ticket which goes into the machine, and could potentially tell drivers when someone has stayed on too long and needs to pay the extra. 

People will always find ways of getting around things, but a tap in/tap out system is a good solution. I would think a potential fine would be a good deterrent for regular bus users.

Drivers aren't revenue protections and it would be nothing short of impratical if that was another of their concerns. People who get on without purchase get radio'd in, but aside from that there's not much deliberation from drivers over people who abuse the system. The orange jacket revenue protection officers are the ones who deal with that stuff, but for whatever reason, never seem to have a huge public presence.

MrBoyt



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27 Mar 2018, 11:21 pm #208
(27 Mar 2018, 2:29 pm)Dan Tax is no problem to renew, it's just MOT which has a more significant cost.

Yard man reckons 4899 is going next week (for the third time). I'll miss it, always a smooth drive.
MrBoyt
27 Mar 2018, 11:21 pm #208

(27 Mar 2018, 2:29 pm)Dan Tax is no problem to renew, it's just MOT which has a more significant cost.

Yard man reckons 4899 is going next week (for the third time). I'll miss it, always a smooth drive.

Andreos1



14,218
28 Mar 2018, 4:29 pm #209
5205 looked expired when I passed it earlier in Seaham. Fitter doing something to it, whilst a driver was busy getting settled in an un-identified Solar that had just pulled in behind it.
Not sure which route was affected.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
28 Mar 2018, 4:29 pm #209

5205 looked expired when I passed it earlier in Seaham. Fitter doing something to it, whilst a driver was busy getting settled in an un-identified Solar that had just pulled in behind it.
Not sure which route was affected.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

GNE6312



1,091
28 Mar 2018, 4:49 pm #210
I know weekdays at 16:00 there is 2 309 runsfrom blyth to newcastle due to the rest going out of service to cobalt for the X39 but it doesn't run on saturday or sunday so is there more 309s at 16:00
GNE6312
28 Mar 2018, 4:49 pm #210

I know weekdays at 16:00 there is 2 309 runsfrom blyth to newcastle due to the rest going out of service to cobalt for the X39 but it doesn't run on saturday or sunday so is there more 309s at 16:00

L469 YVK



3,549
28 Mar 2018, 7:31 pm #211
(28 Mar 2018, 4:49 pm)GNE6312 I know weekdays at 16:00 there is 2 309 runsfrom blyth to newcastle due to the rest going out of service to cobalt for the X39 but it doesn't run on saturday or sunday so is there more 309s at 16:00

Although 2x drop out at Blyth and go light to Cobalt to run the X39, the only significant gap is between 16:26 and 17:06. Better than before Jul 2016 when the 309 used to go down to every 30 minutes after 4pm.
L469 YVK
28 Mar 2018, 7:31 pm #211

(28 Mar 2018, 4:49 pm)GNE6312 I know weekdays at 16:00 there is 2 309 runsfrom blyth to newcastle due to the rest going out of service to cobalt for the X39 but it doesn't run on saturday or sunday so is there more 309s at 16:00

Although 2x drop out at Blyth and go light to Cobalt to run the X39, the only significant gap is between 16:26 and 17:06. Better than before Jul 2016 when the 309 used to go down to every 30 minutes after 4pm.

JM03



505
28 Mar 2018, 7:34 pm #212
(27 Mar 2018, 11:21 pm)MrBoyt Yard man reckons 4899 is going next week (for the third time). I'll miss it, always a smooth drive.

Really sad, big fan. Anyone know where its knocking about for a final ride.
JM03
28 Mar 2018, 7:34 pm #212

(27 Mar 2018, 11:21 pm)MrBoyt Yard man reckons 4899 is going next week (for the third time). I'll miss it, always a smooth drive.

Really sad, big fan. Anyone know where its knocking about for a final ride.

Michael



19,168
28 Mar 2018, 7:44 pm #213
(27 Mar 2018, 8:03 am)Dan 6126, 6127, 6129 - Stanley to Riverside (for Jewish Scholars)
3995, 3996, 6136 - Stanley to Percy Main
6009, 6025, 6031 - Withdrawn (replaced as above)
559 - Withdrawn (suffered defects, 4899 has replaced it)
4937 - Withdrawn (suffered defects, but was already planned for withdrawal).

Leaves Deptford with all Euro 5 and 6 buses now.
Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
28 Mar 2018, 7:44 pm #213

(27 Mar 2018, 8:03 am)Dan 6126, 6127, 6129 - Stanley to Riverside (for Jewish Scholars)
3995, 3996, 6136 - Stanley to Percy Main
6009, 6025, 6031 - Withdrawn (replaced as above)
559 - Withdrawn (suffered defects, 4899 has replaced it)
4937 - Withdrawn (suffered defects, but was already planned for withdrawal).

Leaves Deptford with all Euro 5 and 6 buses now.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

V514DFT



2,241
29 Mar 2018, 9:01 am #214
Im going to miss the solars
Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
29 Mar 2018, 9:01 am #214

Im going to miss the solars

Kind Regards
Tez

Jamie M

Unregistered

 
29 Mar 2018, 10:47 am #215
(29 Mar 2018, 9:01 am)V514DFT Im going to miss the solars

Still got the 54 plate ones for a while yet like
Jamie M
29 Mar 2018, 10:47 am #215

(29 Mar 2018, 9:01 am)V514DFT Im going to miss the solars

Still got the 54 plate ones for a while yet like

Dans_bus_photos



600
29 Mar 2018, 3:11 pm #216
5438 has been repainted plain red and has gained advert frames
Dans_bus_photos
29 Mar 2018, 3:11 pm #216

5438 has been repainted plain red and has gained advert frames

OrangeArrow49



1,359
29 Mar 2018, 3:40 pm #217
Perhaps one for service suggestions, but I was thinking maybe the Quaylink brand should go.

Quaylink is a long-standing brand previously with Stagecoach, and now less of a fitting brand with the Q3 going to Wallsend and the Q1/Q2 further into Gateshead.

I would scrap Quaylink and Blue Arrow creating a new either indiGo Links or indiGo Arrows brand incorporating Q1/Q2/Q3, 11/11A and 42/42A. The Q would still highlight the Quay link of the route, and update/expand three brand over all.
OrangeArrow49
29 Mar 2018, 3:40 pm #217

Perhaps one for service suggestions, but I was thinking maybe the Quaylink brand should go.

Quaylink is a long-standing brand previously with Stagecoach, and now less of a fitting brand with the Q3 going to Wallsend and the Q1/Q2 further into Gateshead.

I would scrap Quaylink and Blue Arrow creating a new either indiGo Links or indiGo Arrows brand incorporating Q1/Q2/Q3, 11/11A and 42/42A. The Q would still highlight the Quay link of the route, and update/expand three brand over all.

LVK 404L



993
29 Mar 2018, 4:00 pm #218
(29 Mar 2018, 3:40 pm)OrangeArrow49 Perhaps one for service suggestions, but I was thinking maybe the Quaylink brand should go.

Quaylink is a long-standing brand previously with Stagecoach, and now less of a fitting brand with the Q3 going to Wallsend and the Q1/Q2 further into Gateshead.

I would scrap Quaylink and Blue Arrow creating a new either indiGo Links or indiGo Arrows brand incorporating Q1/Q2/Q3, 11/11A and 42/42A. The Q would still highlight the Quay link of the route, and update/expand three brand over all.

Whole idea of the Quaylink brand is that they go to the Quayside, which al of them do, no argumenta there. Its a recognised and settled brand. Especially with tourists to the area.
LVK 404L
29 Mar 2018, 4:00 pm #218

(29 Mar 2018, 3:40 pm)OrangeArrow49 Perhaps one for service suggestions, but I was thinking maybe the Quaylink brand should go.

Quaylink is a long-standing brand previously with Stagecoach, and now less of a fitting brand with the Q3 going to Wallsend and the Q1/Q2 further into Gateshead.

I would scrap Quaylink and Blue Arrow creating a new either indiGo Links or indiGo Arrows brand incorporating Q1/Q2/Q3, 11/11A and 42/42A. The Q would still highlight the Quay link of the route, and update/expand three brand over all.

Whole idea of the Quaylink brand is that they go to the Quayside, which al of them do, no argumenta there. Its a recognised and settled brand. Especially with tourists to the area.

OrangeArrow49



1,359
29 Mar 2018, 4:47 pm #219
(29 Mar 2018, 4:00 pm)ifm001 Whole idea of the Quaylink brand is that they go to the Quayside, which al of them do, no argumenta there. Its a recognised and settled brand. Especially with tourists to the area.

True. When the Quaylink service launched with Stagecoach operating it, the idea was that it ran to and from the Quayside, a new circular service. No idea what served the Quayside before? Now it goes further, the Quayside is only part of the route (albeit a significant one) and this would be recognised in the Q prefix, at the same time as promoting other links as part of a wider (and GNE original) brand with potential to expand further. The buses would remain bright yellow and recognisable for tourists. GNE regularly changes brands/colours.  

A further suggestion would be to divert a service along the Stagecoach 12 route to compete against that, with both the Coaster and Blue Arrow services going along Shields Road and the Q3 serving Walker Road. GNE doesn't serve Byker Metro, Stagecoach does. The 1/1A and 11/11A go to Whitley Bay via Byker and the 12 and 39/40 go to Walker/Wallsend via Byker, but Stagecoach's 12 goes a different route, picking up passengers GNE could with their cheaper fares and features. I don't see why even some Coaster or Blue Arrow couldn't divert along the route providing a further link for GNE.
OrangeArrow49
29 Mar 2018, 4:47 pm #219

(29 Mar 2018, 4:00 pm)ifm001 Whole idea of the Quaylink brand is that they go to the Quayside, which al of them do, no argumenta there. Its a recognised and settled brand. Especially with tourists to the area.

True. When the Quaylink service launched with Stagecoach operating it, the idea was that it ran to and from the Quayside, a new circular service. No idea what served the Quayside before? Now it goes further, the Quayside is only part of the route (albeit a significant one) and this would be recognised in the Q prefix, at the same time as promoting other links as part of a wider (and GNE original) brand with potential to expand further. The buses would remain bright yellow and recognisable for tourists. GNE regularly changes brands/colours.  

A further suggestion would be to divert a service along the Stagecoach 12 route to compete against that, with both the Coaster and Blue Arrow services going along Shields Road and the Q3 serving Walker Road. GNE doesn't serve Byker Metro, Stagecoach does. The 1/1A and 11/11A go to Whitley Bay via Byker and the 12 and 39/40 go to Walker/Wallsend via Byker, but Stagecoach's 12 goes a different route, picking up passengers GNE could with their cheaper fares and features. I don't see why even some Coaster or Blue Arrow couldn't divert along the route providing a further link for GNE.

Citaro5326



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29 Mar 2018, 5:06 pm #220
(29 Mar 2018, 3:11 pm)Dans_bus_photos 5438 has been repainted plain red and has gained advert frames

5401,5389,5419 should aswell then ?
Citaro5326
29 Mar 2018, 5:06 pm #220

(29 Mar 2018, 3:11 pm)Dans_bus_photos 5438 has been repainted plain red and has gained advert frames

5401,5389,5419 should aswell then ?

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