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Arriva North East: Latest News & Discussion - March 2018

 
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BusLoverMum



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25 Mar 2018, 11:22 pm #101
Got a ride on 1330, this afternoon. So much more comfortable than the 10 reg E200s, but no less deafening.
BusLoverMum
25 Mar 2018, 11:22 pm #101

Got a ride on 1330, this afternoon. So much more comfortable than the 10 reg E200s, but no less deafening.

Multi21



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25 Mar 2018, 11:56 pm #102
(25 Mar 2018, 9:28 pm)Kuyoyo The X66 boards appear to be more than a temporary transfer - the change registered on Friday from the 20th May sees the 2130 66 to Whinfield replaced by an X66 at the same time to Middlesbrough to cut the dead mileage incurred by Stockton at present.
1416 was returned due to a number of issues.

In regards to the X66. This is just speculation and rumors at the moment. Nothing is confirmed yet.

As for 1416 if the issues get fixed it may appear at Stockton again soon.
Multi21
25 Mar 2018, 11:56 pm #102

(25 Mar 2018, 9:28 pm)Kuyoyo The X66 boards appear to be more than a temporary transfer - the change registered on Friday from the 20th May sees the 2130 66 to Whinfield replaced by an X66 at the same time to Middlesbrough to cut the dead mileage incurred by Stockton at present.
1416 was returned due to a number of issues.

In regards to the X66. This is just speculation and rumors at the moment. Nothing is confirmed yet.

As for 1416 if the issues get fixed it may appear at Stockton again soon.

26 Mar 2018, 9:02 am #103
Speaking to a high up member of Darlington depot and also a member on here, Optare solo 2856 is the next casualtyleaving Darlington depot, with 2815 coming in the opposite direction
Stuartphin1639
26 Mar 2018, 9:02 am #103

Speaking to a high up member of Darlington depot and also a member on here, Optare solo 2856 is the next casualtyleaving Darlington depot, with 2815 coming in the opposite direction

Cock Robin



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26 Mar 2018, 9:18 am #104
(24 Mar 2018, 11:04 pm)omnicity4659 There should be an extra Sapphire bus to play with now that the PVR of the 43/44/45 has been reduced. However, allocations can depend on where the vehicle is parked in the depot, and if any delays occur during the day.

You'd think the depot was big enough to move buses round to get the correct branding on the correct routes.
Cock Robin
26 Mar 2018, 9:18 am #104

(24 Mar 2018, 11:04 pm)omnicity4659 There should be an extra Sapphire bus to play with now that the PVR of the 43/44/45 has been reduced. However, allocations can depend on where the vehicle is parked in the depot, and if any delays occur during the day.

You'd think the depot was big enough to move buses round to get the correct branding on the correct routes.

26 Mar 2018, 9:23 am #105
(26 Mar 2018, 9:18 am)Cock Robin You'd think the depot was big enough to move buses round to get the correct branding on the correct routes.

Yes, but who exactly will stay behind in the early hours moving all the buses around?

Depots such as Ashington, where 'lines' are the practice, sees buses allocated to be parked in a certain bay, depending on their departure time the next morning. However, if the service is late running, then that's where the problems start. 

Depots like Jesmond and Blyth are tight fits, and weren't designed for specific vehicle allocations.
Edited 26 Mar 2018, 9:26 am by omnicity4659.
omnicity4659
26 Mar 2018, 9:23 am #105

(26 Mar 2018, 9:18 am)Cock Robin You'd think the depot was big enough to move buses round to get the correct branding on the correct routes.

Yes, but who exactly will stay behind in the early hours moving all the buses around?

Depots such as Ashington, where 'lines' are the practice, sees buses allocated to be parked in a certain bay, depending on their departure time the next morning. However, if the service is late running, then that's where the problems start. 

Depots like Jesmond and Blyth are tight fits, and weren't designed for specific vehicle allocations.

jimmoc



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26 Mar 2018, 10:33 am #106
I heard today arriva Whitby is taking on route 99 is this true
jimmoc
26 Mar 2018, 10:33 am #106

I heard today arriva Whitby is taking on route 99 is this true

Mark P



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26 Mar 2018, 10:51 am #107
(26 Mar 2018, 10:33 am)jimmoc I heard today arriva Whitby is taking on route 99 is this true

Yes, although it will be as an extension to the existing service 95. The new timetable is effective from Sunday 15 April.
Mark P
26 Mar 2018, 10:51 am #107

(26 Mar 2018, 10:33 am)jimmoc I heard today arriva Whitby is taking on route 99 is this true

Yes, although it will be as an extension to the existing service 95. The new timetable is effective from Sunday 15 April.

jimmoc



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26 Mar 2018, 10:57 am #108
(26 Mar 2018, 10:51 am)Mark P Yes, although it will be as an extension to the existing service 95. The new timetable is effective from Sunday 15 April.

Thankyou
jimmoc
26 Mar 2018, 10:57 am #108

(26 Mar 2018, 10:51 am)Mark P Yes, although it will be as an extension to the existing service 95. The new timetable is effective from Sunday 15 April.

Thankyou

Shrek



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26 Mar 2018, 3:39 pm #109
(26 Mar 2018, 9:23 am)omnicity4659 Yes, but who exactly will stay behind in the early hours moving all the buses around?

Depots such as Ashington, where 'lines' are the practice, sees buses allocated to be parked in a certain bay, depending on their departure time the next morning. However, if the service is late running, then that's where the problems start. 

Depots like Jesmond and Blyth are tight fits, and weren't designed for specific vehicle allocations.

It's not just leaving the depot when they can't get the correct bus on though. I was waiting once for an evening service when two Sapphire buses were sitting empty at Haymarket and the driver asked if he should swap the bus but was told no and a Streetlite remained on the evening service. I understand at rush hour it's a battle to keep the right brand on route, but surely by the time the evening service starts they should be able to get everything right again?
Shrek
26 Mar 2018, 3:39 pm #109

(26 Mar 2018, 9:23 am)omnicity4659 Yes, but who exactly will stay behind in the early hours moving all the buses around?

Depots such as Ashington, where 'lines' are the practice, sees buses allocated to be parked in a certain bay, depending on their departure time the next morning. However, if the service is late running, then that's where the problems start. 

Depots like Jesmond and Blyth are tight fits, and weren't designed for specific vehicle allocations.

It's not just leaving the depot when they can't get the correct bus on though. I was waiting once for an evening service when two Sapphire buses were sitting empty at Haymarket and the driver asked if he should swap the bus but was told no and a Streetlite remained on the evening service. I understand at rush hour it's a battle to keep the right brand on route, but surely by the time the evening service starts they should be able to get everything right again?

mb134



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26 Mar 2018, 4:38 pm #110
(26 Mar 2018, 3:39 pm)Shrek It's not just leaving the depot when they can't get the correct bus on though. I was waiting once for an evening service when two Sapphire buses were sitting empty at Haymarket and the driver asked if he should swap the bus but was told no and a Streetlite remained on the evening service. I understand at rush hour it's a battle to keep the right brand on route, but surely by the time the evening service starts they should be able to get everything right again?

There may have been reasons for them sitting there though. Mechanical defects picked up during the day, not enough fuel or AdBlue to see them through however many journeys were left, or they could have been scheduled to work other duties.
Edited 26 Mar 2018, 4:39 pm by mb134.
mb134
26 Mar 2018, 4:38 pm #110

(26 Mar 2018, 3:39 pm)Shrek It's not just leaving the depot when they can't get the correct bus on though. I was waiting once for an evening service when two Sapphire buses were sitting empty at Haymarket and the driver asked if he should swap the bus but was told no and a Streetlite remained on the evening service. I understand at rush hour it's a battle to keep the right brand on route, but surely by the time the evening service starts they should be able to get everything right again?

There may have been reasons for them sitting there though. Mechanical defects picked up during the day, not enough fuel or AdBlue to see them through however many journeys were left, or they could have been scheduled to work other duties.

Jimmi



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26 Mar 2018, 4:51 pm #111
Jesmond's Sapphire stock often gets utilised on other more demanding routes when required (particularly the Pulsar's), sure enough today 1513 was out on the 685, it was then swapped for a Sapphire E400 to perform the double decker booked 12:45 685 off Newcastle (chances are it spent half the morning parked in Eldon Square), in addition to those two being missing, 1479 was out on the X16.
Jimmi
26 Mar 2018, 4:51 pm #111

Jesmond's Sapphire stock often gets utilised on other more demanding routes when required (particularly the Pulsar's), sure enough today 1513 was out on the 685, it was then swapped for a Sapphire E400 to perform the double decker booked 12:45 685 off Newcastle (chances are it spent half the morning parked in Eldon Square), in addition to those two being missing, 1479 was out on the X16.

GNE6312



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26 Mar 2018, 5:43 pm #112
The advertising for M cards & passes are now being removed from the former arriva yorkshire gemini 2s, it has been removed from 7634 former 1533. And 1530 was transferred without it. Wonder what will have it removed next?
Edited 26 Mar 2018, 6:18 pm by GNE6312.
GNE6312
26 Mar 2018, 5:43 pm #112

The advertising for M cards & passes are now being removed from the former arriva yorkshire gemini 2s, it has been removed from 7634 former 1533. And 1530 was transferred without it. Wonder what will have it removed next?

26 Mar 2018, 8:25 pm #113
Does Arriva serve the Metrocentre? Has Arriva ever served the Metrocentre?

Just a random question as I can't think of any of Arriva's services ever serving the Metrocentre. Stagecoach, GNE and Stanley Travel go there and I am sure other bus operators do too. Phoenix did until recently with the 84, not sure what they operate currently.
OrangeArrow49
26 Mar 2018, 8:25 pm #113

Does Arriva serve the Metrocentre? Has Arriva ever served the Metrocentre?

Just a random question as I can't think of any of Arriva's services ever serving the Metrocentre. Stagecoach, GNE and Stanley Travel go there and I am sure other bus operators do too. Phoenix did until recently with the 84, not sure what they operate currently.

S830OFT



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26 Mar 2018, 8:35 pm #114
(26 Mar 2018, 8:25 pm)OrangeArrow49 Does Arriva serve the Metrocentre? Has Arriva ever served the Metrocentre?

Just a random question as I can't think of any of Arriva's services ever serving the Metrocentre. Stagecoach, GNE and Stanley Travel go there and I am sure other bus operators do too. Phoenix did until recently with the 84, not sure what they operate currently.

The X24 To Durham but that got took off and extended to Peterlee.


S830OFT
26 Mar 2018, 8:35 pm #114

(26 Mar 2018, 8:25 pm)OrangeArrow49 Does Arriva serve the Metrocentre? Has Arriva ever served the Metrocentre?

Just a random question as I can't think of any of Arriva's services ever serving the Metrocentre. Stagecoach, GNE and Stanley Travel go there and I am sure other bus operators do too. Phoenix did until recently with the 84, not sure what they operate currently.

The X24 To Durham but that got took off and extended to Peterlee.



26 Mar 2018, 8:42 pm #115
(26 Mar 2018, 8:35 pm)S830OFT The X24 To Durham but that got took off and extended to Peterlee.

Thank you. So they don't serve the Metrocentre anymore? Any idea why they don't? Stagecoach has 3 services (6/7 and the 100 shuttle) and GNE has a lot. Arriva is missing out. A possible discussion for the Stagecoach discussion, why does the 6 not run late evening but the 7 continues much later? 6 and 7 is the same route I think but the  goes off.

I believe Arriva used to serve Kenton too? Northumbria Motor Services used to operate the 9 or 32 apparently many years ago with old buses.
OrangeArrow49
26 Mar 2018, 8:42 pm #115

(26 Mar 2018, 8:35 pm)S830OFT The X24 To Durham but that got took off and extended to Peterlee.

Thank you. So they don't serve the Metrocentre anymore? Any idea why they don't? Stagecoach has 3 services (6/7 and the 100 shuttle) and GNE has a lot. Arriva is missing out. A possible discussion for the Stagecoach discussion, why does the 6 not run late evening but the 7 continues much later? 6 and 7 is the same route I think but the  goes off.

I believe Arriva used to serve Kenton too? Northumbria Motor Services used to operate the 9 or 32 apparently many years ago with old buses.

26 Mar 2018, 9:16 pm #116
(26 Mar 2018, 8:42 pm)OrangeArrow49 Thank you. So they don't serve the Metrocentre anymore? Any idea why they don't? Stagecoach has 3 services (6/7 and the 100 shuttle) and GNE has a lot. Arriva is missing out. A possible discussion for the Stagecoach discussion, why does the 6 not run late evening but the 7 continues much later? 6 and 7 is the same route I think but the  goes off.

I believe Arriva used to serve Kenton too? Northumbria Motor Services used to operate the 9 or 32 apparently many years ago with old buses.

I remember that around 2006/7 Arriva had run a Blyth - Cramlington - MetroCentre service (it was either a Friday/Saturday or Saturday/Sunday) service. It didn't last too long (much like my and fellow commuters beloved X36 Sad ).

Oh dear:

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...r-14456535

As a Labour councillor I can see both sides of the argument (ducks and covers).
Edited 26 Mar 2018, 9:21 pm by solsburian.
solsburian
26 Mar 2018, 9:16 pm #116

(26 Mar 2018, 8:42 pm)OrangeArrow49 Thank you. So they don't serve the Metrocentre anymore? Any idea why they don't? Stagecoach has 3 services (6/7 and the 100 shuttle) and GNE has a lot. Arriva is missing out. A possible discussion for the Stagecoach discussion, why does the 6 not run late evening but the 7 continues much later? 6 and 7 is the same route I think but the  goes off.

I believe Arriva used to serve Kenton too? Northumbria Motor Services used to operate the 9 or 32 apparently many years ago with old buses.

I remember that around 2006/7 Arriva had run a Blyth - Cramlington - MetroCentre service (it was either a Friday/Saturday or Saturday/Sunday) service. It didn't last too long (much like my and fellow commuters beloved X36 Sad ).

Oh dear:

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...r-14456535

As a Labour councillor I can see both sides of the argument (ducks and covers).

LVK 404L



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26 Mar 2018, 9:27 pm #117
Arriva used to operate the 602 and 604 ro metro centre prior to the swap over with GNE and also the X24 and X27 Before that in Northumbria days they also operated the 357 and 605
LVK 404L
26 Mar 2018, 9:27 pm #117

Arriva used to operate the 602 and 604 ro metro centre prior to the swap over with GNE and also the X24 and X27 Before that in Northumbria days they also operated the 357 and 605

V514DFT



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27 Mar 2018, 12:23 am #118
(26 Mar 2018, 9:27 pm)ifm001 Arriva used to operate the 602 and 604 ro metro centre prior to the swap over with GNE and also the X24 and X27 Before that in Northumbria days they also operated the 357 and 605

And the X64

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
27 Mar 2018, 12:23 am #118

(26 Mar 2018, 9:27 pm)ifm001 Arriva used to operate the 602 and 604 ro metro centre prior to the swap over with GNE and also the X24 and X27 Before that in Northumbria days they also operated the 357 and 605

And the X64


Kind Regards
Tez

27 Mar 2018, 3:45 am #119
(26 Mar 2018, 9:16 pm)solsburian Oh dear:

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...r-14456535

As a Labour councillor I can see both sides of the argument (ducks and covers).

To be fair though, it's barely going to impact on pollution. With the 308 vehicles listed for E6 conversion, they'll probably be cleaner than the B5LHs.
omnicity4659
27 Mar 2018, 3:45 am #119

(26 Mar 2018, 9:16 pm)solsburian Oh dear:

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...r-14456535

As a Labour councillor I can see both sides of the argument (ducks and covers).

To be fair though, it's barely going to impact on pollution. With the 308 vehicles listed for E6 conversion, they'll probably be cleaner than the B5LHs.

Dan

Site Administrator

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27 Mar 2018, 5:20 am #120
(27 Mar 2018, 3:45 am)omnicity4659 To be fair though, it's barely going to impact on pollution. With the 308 vehicles listed for E6 conversion, they'll probably be cleaner than the B5LHs.

Not quite Euro 6 conversion.

Believe they (and others in the region) have received funding to fit a SCRT system of sorts to a number of their buses operating in key areas across the region (South Tyneside, Newcastle, and somewhere else), which, on paper, means that the buses meet the emission standards of a Euro 6 bus.

Depending on the terms and conditions of the contract, this could see them attached to a set of routes for the foreseeable future.

Can see the frustration, and I wonder if this move would have happened regardless of whether they had received this grant?

I would hope that Arriva are strongly considering upgrading the customer specification to MAX again on these vehicles. It feels like a lot of what's going on with Yorkshire stripping newer vehicles from the North East at the moment is coming at the expense of the customers. After all, why should customers on the 17 have W-reg Cadets reinstated, when the alternative was planned to be a much newer bus?
Dan
27 Mar 2018, 5:20 am #120

(27 Mar 2018, 3:45 am)omnicity4659 To be fair though, it's barely going to impact on pollution. With the 308 vehicles listed for E6 conversion, they'll probably be cleaner than the B5LHs.

Not quite Euro 6 conversion.

Believe they (and others in the region) have received funding to fit a SCRT system of sorts to a number of their buses operating in key areas across the region (South Tyneside, Newcastle, and somewhere else), which, on paper, means that the buses meet the emission standards of a Euro 6 bus.

Depending on the terms and conditions of the contract, this could see them attached to a set of routes for the foreseeable future.

Can see the frustration, and I wonder if this move would have happened regardless of whether they had received this grant?

I would hope that Arriva are strongly considering upgrading the customer specification to MAX again on these vehicles. It feels like a lot of what's going on with Yorkshire stripping newer vehicles from the North East at the moment is coming at the expense of the customers. After all, why should customers on the 17 have W-reg Cadets reinstated, when the alternative was planned to be a much newer bus?

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