Stagecoach 2018/2019 Orders
Stagecoach 2018/2019 Orders
(21 Jan 2019, 4:05 pm)Southernsofty Steven Knight Media reporting that the 31 new Buses for Stagecoach East Midlands at Hull are to be 10 E400MMC & 21 E200MMC (Length unconfirmed but maybe 11.6m to replace MANs)
(19 Jan 2019, 12:56 pm)glen1234 Stagecoach north east are not getting new buses this year all we get are sechand buses like all way.
(19 Jan 2019, 5:45 pm)Dans_bus_photos Has that been confirmed? Id have thought it would be highly likely that some new buses will be bought for the NE in the next financial year to replace the remaining ALX300s and possibly even start to replace the MAN E200s.
(19 Jan 2019, 12:56 pm)glen1234 Stagecoach north east are not getting new buses this year all we get are sechand buses like all way.
(19 Jan 2019, 5:45 pm)Dans_bus_photos Has that been confirmed? Id have thought it would be highly likely that some new buses will be bought for the NE in the next financial year to replace the remaining ALX300s and possibly even start to replace the MAN E200s.
(24 Jan 2019, 10:27 pm)Malarkey I think priority for Stagecoach would be replace older vehicles in the fleet across the country as their are a lot of ALX300/400's, Optare Solo's and Dennis Dart SLF 2's which were new in 2004 or older which are still in active service, making them 15 years old, the MAN E200's are only 10/11 years old.
Not ruling out the North East getting any new buses as I do think services such as the 1/10/11/38/100/E1/E2/E6/X24/X34/X47/X82/X87 & X88 would benefit from new buses, but that would be a massive investment which I don't think Stagecoach would go for unless they were looking to improve growth on those services.
We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
(24 Jan 2019, 10:27 pm)Malarkey I think priority for Stagecoach would be replace older vehicles in the fleet across the country as their are a lot of ALX300/400's, Optare Solo's and Dennis Dart SLF 2's which were new in 2004 or older which are still in active service, making them 15 years old, the MAN E200's are only 10/11 years old.
Not ruling out the North East getting any new buses as I do think services such as the 1/10/11/38/100/E1/E2/E6/X24/X34/X47/X82/X87 & X88 would benefit from new buses, but that would be a massive investment which I don't think Stagecoach would go for unless they were looking to improve growth on those services.
We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
(25 Jan 2019, 9:30 pm)Tamesider Are new buses still based on putting bids into HQ to re-invest in the highest performing/loading routes in the North East? Its certainly not the case in Gtr. Manchester. Or if it is, then HQ are being hoodwinked.
More generally, whilst Manchester has historically reasonable investment, its current fleet size of almost exactly 750 means a required investment of 50 buses per year. However, they had only 27 in 2017/8 and none at all this year. Indeed, only once in the lat 5 financial years have they reached 50 - albeit its still far better than the other large companies (First 25 in 4 years, Arriva NONE in 6). Mind you, it seems Stagecoach have put a stop to investment unless get they can Franchising ditched and they have made it clear that future investment will be based on where they can appease politicians and lobbyist and NOT where they're biggest money-spinners are. So, more of the same.
In saying all that and assuming no "local" interest, are we closer to knowing what the 2019/20 orders will be and for where, apart from the 31 for Hull?
(25 Jan 2019, 9:30 pm)Tamesider Are new buses still based on putting bids into HQ to re-invest in the highest performing/loading routes in the North East? Its certainly not the case in Gtr. Manchester. Or if it is, then HQ are being hoodwinked.
More generally, whilst Manchester has historically reasonable investment, its current fleet size of almost exactly 750 means a required investment of 50 buses per year. However, they had only 27 in 2017/8 and none at all this year. Indeed, only once in the lat 5 financial years have they reached 50 - albeit its still far better than the other large companies (First 25 in 4 years, Arriva NONE in 6). Mind you, it seems Stagecoach have put a stop to investment unless get they can Franchising ditched and they have made it clear that future investment will be based on where they can appease politicians and lobbyist and NOT where they're biggest money-spinners are. So, more of the same.
In saying all that and assuming no "local" interest, are we closer to knowing what the 2019/20 orders will be and for where, apart from the 31 for Hull?
(25 Jan 2019, 11:17 pm)RBZ 5459 It is still all based on regional bids yes, with each presenting cases to UK Bus with budgets and cascade plans. A sort of business plan of why its justified.
(17 Jan 2019, 9:12 am)Southernsofty Hull Live reporting Stagecoach East Midlands, Manager Matt Cranwell
'31 new buses on order for Hull this year , mixture of double & single deck'
Article reports attacks on buses in Orchard Park area.
(26 Jan 2019, 2:44 pm)Tamesider I assume its literally based on the "region" rather than ordering for specific routes/corridors then.
(17 Jan 2019, 9:12 am)Southernsofty Hull Live reporting Stagecoach East Midlands, Manager Matt Cranwell
'31 new buses on order for Hull this year , mixture of double & single deck'
Article reports attacks on buses in Orchard Park area.
(26 Jan 2019, 2:44 pm)Tamesider I assume its literally based on the "region" rather than ordering for specific routes/corridors then.
(30 Dec 2018, 9:25 pm)RBZ 5459 I'm not too sure on how long it will be there, or if it will go elsewhere before heading back to Cumbria I'm affraid. It is away for a few months though. It has landed at Stockport now I understand, and it will be in service.
(30 Dec 2018, 9:25 pm)RBZ 5459 I'm not too sure on how long it will be there, or if it will go elsewhere before heading back to Cumbria I'm affraid. It is away for a few months though. It has landed at Stockport now I understand, and it will be in service.
A long-overdue update to the list - believe we're now done
ADL Enviro 400 MMC (94)
10941-10970 (SN18 KNE/F/G/H/J/K/L/M/O/P/R/S/U/V/W/X/Y/Z, KOA/B/D/E/H/J/U/V/W/X, KPA/E): Stagecoach South (Worthing)
10971-10981 (SN18 KTE/F/G/J/K/L/O/P/T/U/V): Stagecoach East Midlands (Mansfield) (Pronto livery)
10982-10996 (SN18 KUO/P/R/S/T/U/V/W/X/Y, KVA/B/C/D/E) Stagecoach West (Swindon) (Gold Specification - for S6 formerly 66) - (NOTE - 10994-6 have been allocated to Cheltenham instead of Swindon)
11101-11117 (SN18 KVF/G/H, SK68 LVW/X/Y/Z, LWA/C/D/E/F/G/H/J/L/M): Stagecoach Merseyside & South Lancashire (Gillmoss)
11118-11125 (SK68 LUF/H/J/L/O/P/R/T): Stagecoach Yorkshire (Chesterfield) (Gold Specification)
11126-11138 (SK68 LUW/Y/Z, LVA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/J/K): Stagecoach Midlands (Kettering) (Gold Specification)
11139-56 (YX68 UWN/O/P/R/S/T/U/V/W/Y/Z, UXA/B/C/D/E/F/G): Stagecoach Cumbria & North Lancashire (Morecambe)
11157 (YX68 UXH): Stagecoach Cumbria & North Lancashire (Carlisle)
11158 (YX68 UXJ): Stagecoach UK (intended for Cumbria & North Lancashire)
Volvo B5TL/Wright Gemini open top (6)
13808-13813 (BV18 YBA/B/C/D/E, YAA) Stagecoach East (Cambridge) (City Sightseeing Cambridge)
ADL Enviro 200MMC 8.9m (1)
37467 (YX18 KUW) Stagecoach South Wales (Porth)
ADL Enviro 200MMC 10.8m (14)
37468-37481 (YX68 UTU/V/W/Y/Z, UUA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/J): Stagecoach South West (Exeter)
ADL Enviro 200MMC 11.8m (23)
26112-26126 (YN18 TEJ/O/U/V. TFE/F/J/K/N/O/U/V/X/Z, TGE): Stagecoach East Scotland (St Andrews)
26127-26134 (SK68 LVM/N/O/P/R/S/T/U): Stagecoach North Scotland (Inverness/Moray)
ADL Enviro 200/BYD electric (9)
29101-29109 (LJ68 CZA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/J): Stagecoach South (Guildford) (Guildford Park & Ride)
Volvo B8RLE/Plaxton Panther LE (9)
54511-54514 (YX18 LKP/U/V/Y): Stagecoach East Scotland (Dunfermline)
54515-54519 (YX18 LKZ, LLA/C/D/E): Stagecoach East Scotland (Perth)
Volvo B11R/Plaxton Panorama (5)
50401-50405 (YX18 KLK/L/M/N/O): Stagecoach West Scotland (Kilmarnock)
Volvo B11R/Plaxton elite I (10)
54601-54610 (YX68 UAJ/K/L/M/N/O/P/R/S/T): (10 vehicles) Megabus Operations (Rugby) - NOTE: 54601/3 are currently on-loan to Ayr
ADL Enviro 400MMC smart Hybrid (63)
11001-11016 (SN18 KVB/C/D/E/F/G/H/J/K/L/M/O/P/R/S/T): Stagecoach London (Catford)
11017-11032 (YX68 UKA/B/D/E/F/G/H/J/K/L/M/N/O/P/R/S): Stagecoach London (West Ham)
11033-11043 (SN18 KTX, KUA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/J/K): Stagecoach London (West Ham) (Fitted with Hanover LED destinations)
11044-11054 (YY18 TGF/J/K/N/O/U/V/X/Z): Stagecoach London (West Ham)
11055-11063 (YX68 UMU/V/W/Y/Z/NB/E/F/G): Stagecoach London (Barking)
11064-11074: Stagecoach London (Bromley)
ADL Enviro 200MMCs (various lengths/door configuration) (33)
37507-37513 (YY18 TNJ/K/L/N/O/U/V): Stagecoach London (Kangley Bridge)
37514-37525 (YY18 TKA/C): Stagecoach London (Romford)
37526-37539 (YX68 UMA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/J/K/L/M/O/R): Stagecoach London (Rainham)
(27 Jan 2019, 8:31 pm)Tamesider It is reported locally that 11158 was not used in service and may very well have left Stockport for pastures new.
(27 Jan 2019, 8:31 pm)Tamesider It is reported locally that 11158 was not used in service and may very well have left Stockport for pastures new.
(27 Jan 2019, 8:31 pm)Tamesider It is reported locally that 11158 was not used in service and may very well have left Stockport for pastures new.
The Department for Transport's ultra-low emission bus scheme successful bidders have been announced this morning, Stagecoach Manchester and Stagecoach Wales coming out with their accepted bids. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/sy...sv/preview
(06 Feb 2019, 11:31 am)RBZ 5459 The Department for Transport's ultra-low emission bus scheme successful bidders have been announced this morning, Stagecoach Manchester and Stagecoach Wales coming out with their accepted bids. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/sy...sv/preview
(06 Feb 2019, 11:31 am)RBZ 5459 The Department for Transport's ultra-low emission bus scheme successful bidders have been announced this morning, Stagecoach Manchester and Stagecoach Wales coming out with their accepted bids. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/sy...sv/preview
I believe one of the orders for Stagecoach in 2019 / 2020 will be around 25 Volvo B11RLE / Plaxton Panoramas for the Oxford Tube since the fleet is due for renewal in 2019.
(06 Feb 2019, 8:58 pm)Tamesider I note Stagecoach's successful bid is 32 buses. Last August they submitted a bid for 105 (2019/20). Does this mean 73 have been rejected or was that a seperate bid?
Note: First Manchester have also secured 12 e-buses. Despite recurring rumours that First want to sell all Greater Manchester ops - and quickly - they have publicly stated these buses will run on service 582 (Bolton-Leigh). Yet, Stagecoach won't (yet) say where theirs will go.
(06 Feb 2019, 8:58 pm)Tamesider I note Stagecoach's successful bid is 32 buses. Last August they submitted a bid for 105 (2019/20). Does this mean 73 have been rejected or was that a seperate bid?
Note: First Manchester have also secured 12 e-buses. Despite recurring rumours that First want to sell all Greater Manchester ops - and quickly - they have publicly stated these buses will run on service 582 (Bolton-Leigh). Yet, Stagecoach won't (yet) say where theirs will go.
(07 Feb 2019, 9:30 am)RBZ 5459 Yes the end bid was only successful for 32 vehicles.
When the bid was submitted for 105 vehicles, Stagecoach revealed that the investment would be for four key routes serving "Manchester city centre, Manchester Airport, Manchester Piccadilly railway station, six hospitals and two universities". On the back of only 32 vehicles being won, Stagecoach have revised that to be for only two routes serving "Manchester city centre, Manchester Airport, five hospitals and two universities".
(07 Feb 2019, 9:30 am)RBZ 5459 Yes the end bid was only successful for 32 vehicles.
When the bid was submitted for 105 vehicles, Stagecoach revealed that the investment would be for four key routes serving "Manchester city centre, Manchester Airport, Manchester Piccadilly railway station, six hospitals and two universities". On the back of only 32 vehicles being won, Stagecoach have revised that to be for only two routes serving "Manchester city centre, Manchester Airport, five hospitals and two universities".
(07 Feb 2019, 12:55 pm)Tamesider I believe they've also stated that all 32 will run from Sharston, although that doesn't preclude transfers of work from another depot. This strongly suggests the 24 hour 43 will be one route, starting at the Airport, serving Christies and continuing via Oxford Road serving the MRI complex (4 seperate hospitals) and then the main Manchester University campus and the original MMU site at All Saints before continuing to Piccadilly Gardens. Depending on exact times within the "Frequent intervals" section, the 43 has a PVR of between 17 & 19 buses, plus something such high profile would need at least two spares, so roughly 20 buses in total. That leaves 12 to serve a route incorporating Piccadilly Rail. At present, Sharston don't run near the Station, with the nearest logical route being MagicBus (Hyde Road depot) 147 from West Didsbury, via the same route as 43 to Charles Street (thus serving the same Hospitals and University buildings). From Charles Street it serves Sackville Street and a short stretch of Whitworth Street (serving another M'cr University property) before crossing to Fairfield Street alongside the Station. This has a PVR of 9 or 10, so could fit vehicle wise. Any other service would be either brand new or see at least the majority of services diverted away from Piccadilly Gardens.
There is also the - potentially major - question of how the 73 shortfall affects the other avowed plan to transfer existing "low emission" buses to other south Manchester, Trafford and Salford routes? What constitutes "low emission"? and does it mean 73 "more" such buses?
Politically, the whole thing seems a mixed bag. As regards this Stagecoach bid; they obviously went ahead with the bid despite no movement on Bus Reform. Does this mean the 32 is guaranteed no matter what and if Franchising is rejected before any public consultation, Mr. Hammond will suddenly find "new money" for the other 73?
The other bids are all interesting in their own way; I've already mentioned First will use theirs on the 582 currently run (mainly) with 41 seater B7RLEs, with the occasional 'decker needed at peak times. Their bid works out at £137,260 per bus - infrastructure is obviously subject to ecomonies of scale, so could be ignored in this context. Of course, the local bus haters on the MEN comments thread have managed to add £1,647,000 to £375,000 and get £15 million in asking why their taxes should be spent on the private bus industry - especially a company that is (reportedly) selling up and moving out!
MCT's bid for just three buses works out at only slightly less (£134k) despite them only running Tendered services and the full fleet comprising Solos and swb E200s (29 seats?). AFAIK, all the E200s at least are leased. Difficult to guess which route(s) these will serve as a lot of their work is in and around south Manchester where the tendered network is currently subject to frequent major changes, including PVR changes to a number of services.
GMCA's is even more intriguing as it works out at £154,000 per bus, roughly half way between First's figure for 41 seaters and Stagecoach's figure for (presumably) 75-80 seater 'deckers. The figure of 23 roughly fits with the erstwhile MetroShuttle, where the three existing e-buses (Versas) could be offset by three hybrid Versas at Stockport and one at Bolton. However, the new FreeBus only requires 14 buses + spare including the 3 e-Versas retained. The half dozen or so buses made redundant by this cut seem to have disappeared off the face of the earth, although they may be having a full revamp for planned cascade to other Tendered services - none of which require anything bigger than c30 seats. With that in mind (and assuming no YSBs are involved), 23 buses seems to many just for these. This combined with the high average cost would infer that some (at least 5?) would be for a desperately needed increase in peak services on the Leigh Guided Busway. This service has been an overwhelming success with more than *double* the patronage required to justify the business case, but the downside meaning (as a collegue from Swinton will atest) it is normal for up to 4 buses to pass full before one stops. No point in advertising 8+ buses an hour if you are waiting 30-35 minutes just for any spare capacity (ie. even when no delays en route). However, another Forum states that the LGB part of the bid *has* been rejected. Has the massive success of buses in persuading car owners onto public transport, got the Rail lobby rattled?
A well worn phrase I know, but as usual with such pronouncements "the devil will be in the detail"
(07 Feb 2019, 12:55 pm)Tamesider I believe they've also stated that all 32 will run from Sharston, although that doesn't preclude transfers of work from another depot. This strongly suggests the 24 hour 43 will be one route, starting at the Airport, serving Christies and continuing via Oxford Road serving the MRI complex (4 seperate hospitals) and then the main Manchester University campus and the original MMU site at All Saints before continuing to Piccadilly Gardens. Depending on exact times within the "Frequent intervals" section, the 43 has a PVR of between 17 & 19 buses, plus something such high profile would need at least two spares, so roughly 20 buses in total. That leaves 12 to serve a route incorporating Piccadilly Rail. At present, Sharston don't run near the Station, with the nearest logical route being MagicBus (Hyde Road depot) 147 from West Didsbury, via the same route as 43 to Charles Street (thus serving the same Hospitals and University buildings). From Charles Street it serves Sackville Street and a short stretch of Whitworth Street (serving another M'cr University property) before crossing to Fairfield Street alongside the Station. This has a PVR of 9 or 10, so could fit vehicle wise. Any other service would be either brand new or see at least the majority of services diverted away from Piccadilly Gardens.
There is also the - potentially major - question of how the 73 shortfall affects the other avowed plan to transfer existing "low emission" buses to other south Manchester, Trafford and Salford routes? What constitutes "low emission"? and does it mean 73 "more" such buses?
Politically, the whole thing seems a mixed bag. As regards this Stagecoach bid; they obviously went ahead with the bid despite no movement on Bus Reform. Does this mean the 32 is guaranteed no matter what and if Franchising is rejected before any public consultation, Mr. Hammond will suddenly find "new money" for the other 73?
The other bids are all interesting in their own way; I've already mentioned First will use theirs on the 582 currently run (mainly) with 41 seater B7RLEs, with the occasional 'decker needed at peak times. Their bid works out at £137,260 per bus - infrastructure is obviously subject to ecomonies of scale, so could be ignored in this context. Of course, the local bus haters on the MEN comments thread have managed to add £1,647,000 to £375,000 and get £15 million in asking why their taxes should be spent on the private bus industry - especially a company that is (reportedly) selling up and moving out!
MCT's bid for just three buses works out at only slightly less (£134k) despite them only running Tendered services and the full fleet comprising Solos and swb E200s (29 seats?). AFAIK, all the E200s at least are leased. Difficult to guess which route(s) these will serve as a lot of their work is in and around south Manchester where the tendered network is currently subject to frequent major changes, including PVR changes to a number of services.
GMCA's is even more intriguing as it works out at £154,000 per bus, roughly half way between First's figure for 41 seaters and Stagecoach's figure for (presumably) 75-80 seater 'deckers. The figure of 23 roughly fits with the erstwhile MetroShuttle, where the three existing e-buses (Versas) could be offset by three hybrid Versas at Stockport and one at Bolton. However, the new FreeBus only requires 14 buses + spare including the 3 e-Versas retained. The half dozen or so buses made redundant by this cut seem to have disappeared off the face of the earth, although they may be having a full revamp for planned cascade to other Tendered services - none of which require anything bigger than c30 seats. With that in mind (and assuming no YSBs are involved), 23 buses seems to many just for these. This combined with the high average cost would infer that some (at least 5?) would be for a desperately needed increase in peak services on the Leigh Guided Busway. This service has been an overwhelming success with more than *double* the patronage required to justify the business case, but the downside meaning (as a collegue from Swinton will atest) it is normal for up to 4 buses to pass full before one stops. No point in advertising 8+ buses an hour if you are waiting 30-35 minutes just for any spare capacity (ie. even when no delays en route). However, another Forum states that the LGB part of the bid *has* been rejected. Has the massive success of buses in persuading car owners onto public transport, got the Rail lobby rattled?
A well worn phrase I know, but as usual with such pronouncements "the devil will be in the detail"
Looks like Hybrid 'Deckers replacing coaches on route 35 from Macduff from April 2019, don't know how many Hybrids you can buy for £3.5M but the 35 currently has a PVR of 9.5 B9R & 2.5 B12B,
Total PVR 12.
From the 'Press & journal' Aberdeen: -
NEWS / ABERDEEN
Leather seats, wi-fi and cleaner engines: New £3.5 million bus fleet for north-east routes
by David Proctor
February 9, 2019, 7:09 am
One of Stagecoach's new hybrid fleet that will serve the north-east from April
A new fleet of green buses is being introduced on key north-east routes at a cost of £3.5 million.
Stagecoach North Scotland will use the smart electric-hybrid double-deckers on their 35 service between Aberdeen, Banff and Elgin.
The environmentally friendly vehicles will be based at the company’s Macduff depot and come as part of a multi-million-pound investment by the firm.
It is hoped they will reduce CO2 and NOx emissions in the region when they get on the road in April.
Stagecoach said the additions to their bus fleet will offer passengers low floors for easy accessibility, leather seats, free wi-fi, USB charging points and contactless facilities.
Passengers will also be able to track the vehicles by using the company’s mobile phone app.
The buses have an onboard system called GreenRoad to provide drivers with instant feedback on their driving to improve and promote fuel-efficiency.
Stagecoach’s Macduff depot has previously won the Christopher Ball Memorial Award, which recognises efforts to drive economically.
The hybrid buses will replace the current fleet used on the route and will boost space for passengers by almost 50 per cent.
David Liston, managing director for Stagecoach North Scotland, said the firm was “thrilled” to be able to offer an improved service.
He said the changes will boost punctuality for passengers and as well as cutting down the environmental impact of east-coast travel.
Mr Liston said: “We are absolutely thrilled to be introducing even more new buses for the communities in Aberdeenshire and Moray.
“We know that service 35 is a vital service for the communities we connect and our new fleet will not only reduce the impact of the bus on the environment but they will also allow us to improve our punctuality for customers.
“We will look forward to welcoming everyone on board in April.”
Stagecoach’s Service 35 connects more than 15 towns in Aberdeenshire and Moray to both Elgin and Aberdeen.
The Macduff depot employs 50 drivers who operate a fleet of 27 buses on various routes between Elgin and Aberdeen.
