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26 Apr 2014, 7:07 am #61

(25 Apr 2014, 6:14 pm)Andreos Constantopolous Does anyone know the diagrams for Northern or know where to find them?

Looking at possibly doing some Northern bashing on the next bank holiday - but don't want to spend the day sitting on Pacers.

the morpeth & dunston stoppers interwork with each others so the 12:01 from metrocentre to morperth does the 13:31 metrocentre to newcastle and on them run its a pacer and sprinter

Andreos1

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26 Apr 2014, 8:20 am #62

(26 Apr 2014, 7:07 am)danpick the morpeth & dunston stoppers interwork with each others so the 12:01 from metrocentre to morperth does the 13:31 metrocentre to newcastle and on them run its a pacer and sprinter

http://www.prar.fsnet.co.uk/diagrams.html

A couple of years old, but looking at the journeys I have done over the last year, allocations seem to be pretty much the same.

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Andreos1

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01 May 2014, 6:58 am #63

Odd working on the trains today.
The 0800 Seaham to Nunthorpe train is usually a Pacer.
Today a Settle Railway branded 156 is working it.

Touch of luxury for passengers and bearing in mind the weather it means they can keep their brollies closed today!

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eezypeazy

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01 May 2014, 9:04 am #64

(25 Apr 2014, 6:14 pm)Andreos Constantopolous Does anyone know the diagrams for Northern or know where to find them?

Looking at possibly doing some Northern bashing on the next bank holiday - but don't want to spend the day sitting on Pacers.

As far as I can tell, there's little rhyme or reason as to whether you get a 156 or a 142. The only runs that are (almost) guaranteed to be 156s are the Scotrail trains to/from Glasgow.

I've recently observed a 142 being allocated to the once-a-day Carlisle - Middlesbrough run!

northern156

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01 May 2014, 11:32 am #65

156s and 142s both work the same trains along the Tyne Valley and the coast line so a 156 vice 142 isn't rare at all. The Settle line 156 is 156484.

As Eezypeazy has said above, all trains that work Newcastle to Glasgow via Dumfries are ScotRail 156s, although there are a couple of morning services which use a Northern rail 156/142 from Dumfries to Newcastle.

As also said, 142s working Newcastle to Whitehaven and Carlisle to Middlesbrough trains are not rare at all.

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01 May 2014, 11:39 am #66

If Andreos is contemplating a Sunday outing, then I notice there's a Carlisle to NOTTINGHAM through Northern service leaves Carlisle at 1520 via S&C, Leeds and Sheffield. Is that the longest possible Northern bash without a change?

Edited 01 May 2014, 11:40 am by eezypeazy.

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01 May 2014, 11:43 am #67

(01 May 2014, 9:04 am)eezypeazy As far as I can tell, there's little rhyme or reason as to whether you get a 156 or a 142. The only runs that are (almost) guaranteed to be 156s are the Scotrail trains to/from Glasgow.

I've recently observed a 142 being allocated to the once-a-day Carlisle - Middlesbrough run!

Whenever I have used that particular timed train, it has always been a 142.
Unless it drops out somewhere and picks up a run to Carlisle, then this branded 156 will be away from its home turf for a few days - as the diagram it is on, doesn't allow it to get back to the North West.

A 142 doing a Middlesbrough - Carlisle run, isn't rare at all.

(01 May 2014, 11:39 am)eezypeazy If Andreos is contemplating a Sunday outing, then I notice there's a Carlisle to NOTTINGHAM through Northern service leaves Carlisle at 1520 via S&C, Leeds and Sheffield. Is that the longest possible Northern bash without a change?

Most probably!
Any idea on prices?

Didn't even realise Northern or any other operator ran between Leeds and Nottingham.
Always changed at Grantham or Sheffield/Chesterfield when going to/from Nottingham on the train.

Edited 01 May 2014, 11:50 am by Andreos1.

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07 May 2014, 7:20 pm #68

Been working on these for this afternoon...

Might not be 100% correct but from what I've managed to work out using Realtimetrains... Northern diagrams for May 2014 for the North East workings only. If I get chance to expand it then I may do, but this involves all services around Newcastle, Darlington and Middlesbrough

HT42xx is what I believe to be 142 units
HT56xx is what I believe to be 156 units

Sightings will help confirm these when the new timetable starts on 19th May. For Monday-Friday only, Saturdays and especially Sundays will vary!

HT4201

3D02 0501 Heaton Depot - Newcastle 0511

3D02 0518 Newcastle - Middlesbrough 0618

2D02 0634 Middlesbrough - Saltburn 0702

2D01 0710 Saltburn - Darlington 0807

2D14 0830 Darlington - Saltburn 0926

2D11 0931 Saltburn - Darlington 1026

2D24 1030 Darlington - Saltburn 1125

2D21 1130 Saltburn - Darlington 1226

2D36 1253 Darlington - Saltburn 1350

2D31 1357 Saltburn - Bishop Auckland 1520

2D50 1525 Bishop Auckland - Saltburn 1649

2D45 1655 Saltburn - Darlington 1749

2D62 1753 Darlington - Saltburn 1853

2D53 1857 Saltburn - Darlington 1950

2D72 2030 Darlington - Saltburn 2125

2D61 2131 Saltburn - Darlington 2226

5D61 2228 Darlington - Newcastle 2310

5D61 2320 Newcastle - Heaton Depot 2330

HT4202

5D94 0741 Darlington P2 - Darlington P4A 0747

2D94 0748 Darlington - Bishop Auckland 0815

2D16 0821 Bishop Auckland - Saltburn 0953

2D13 0957 Saltburn - Bishop Auckland 1120

2D30 1125 Bishop Auckland - Saltburn 1249

2D27 1257 Saltburn - Darlington 1350

2D46 1453 Darlington - Saltburn 1549

2D39 1555 Saltburn - Darlington 1648

2D60 1730 Darlington - Saltburn 1823

2D51 1830 Saltburn - Darlington 1926

5D47 1936 Darlington - Newcastle 2014

5D47 2024 Newcastle - Heaton Depot 2034

HT4203

3D03 0557 Heaton Depot – Newcastle 0607

3D03 0611 Newcastle – Darlington 0643

2D03 0648 Darlington - Bishop Auckland 0715

2D12 0717 Bishop Auckland - Nunthorpe 0826

2D09 0829 Nunthorpe - Darlington 0913

2D18 0930 Darlington - Saltburn 1025

2D15 1030 Saltburn - Darlington 1126

2D28 1130 Darlington - Saltburn 1226

2D25 1230 Saltburn - Darlington 1327

2D38 1330 Darlington - Saltburn 1425

2D33 1430 Saltburn - Darlington 1526

2D48 1530 Darlington - Saltburn 1625

2D41 1630 Saltburn - Bishop Auckland 1754

2D64 1805 Bishop Auckland - Saltburn 1926

2D55 1930 Saltburn - Bishop Auckland 2058

2D74 2110 Bishop Auckland - Saltburn 2236

2D63 2239 Saltburn - Darlington 2333

5D63 2340 Darlington – Newcastle 0029

5D63 0036 Newcastle – Heaton Depot 0046 – 2 units

HT4204

2D08 0658 Darlington - Saltburn 0751

2D05 0754 Saltburn - Bishop Auckland 0918

2D20 0926 Bishop Auckland - Saltburn 1049

2D19 1057 Saltburn - Darlington 1150

5D90 2108 Darlington P2 – Darlington P1 2114

5A59 2131 Darlington – Newcastle 2206 – 2 units

5A59 2212 Newcastle – Heaton Depot 2222 – 2/3 units

HT4205

5D10 0617 Heaton Depot – Newcastle 0627

5D10 0635 Newcastle - Darlington 0720

2D10 0725 Darlington - Saltburn 0823

2D98 0830 Saltburn - Darlington 0938

2D26 1053 Darlington - Saltburn 1149

2D23 1157 Saltburn - Bishop Auckland 1318

2D42 1325 Bishop Auckland - Saltburn 1450

2D35 1457 Saltburn - Bishop Auckland 1619

2D56 1623 Bishop Auckland - Saltburn 1749

2D49 1757 Saltburn - Darlington 1850

2D70 1955 Darlington - Middlesbrough 2023

5D70 2026 Middlesbrough – Darlington 2051

HT4206

5A50 0516 Darlington - Middlesbrough 0537 - 2 units

2A50 0545 Middlesbrough - Newcastle 0654

2W07 0730 Newcastle - Nunthorpe 0904

2N19 0916 Nunthorpe – Newcastle 1051

2N29 1222 Newcastle – Carlisle 1354

2N40 1528 Carlisle - Middlesbrough 1815

2W72 1832 Middlesbrough - Metrocentre 2004

2W77 2031 Metrocentre - Newcastle 2041

2W78 2054 Newcastle – Metrocentre 2104

2W83 2122 Metrocentre – Newcastle 2132

2W82 2154 Newcastle – Metrocentre 2204

2W85 2215 Metrocentre – Newcastle 2225

2N59 2233 Newcastle - Hexham 2319

2N64 2321 Hexham - Newcastle 0003

5D63 0036 Newcastle - Heaton Depot 0046 – 2 units

HT4207

5A50 0516 Darlington - Middlesbrough 0537 - 2 units

5A52 0600 Middlesbrough - Saltburn 0619

2A52 0628 Saltburn - Newcastle 0806

2N13 0924 Newcastle - Carlisle 1046

2N24 1135 Carlisle - Newcastle 1259

5N24 1303 Newcastle – Heaton Depot 1313

HT4208

3D02 0501 Heaton Depot - Newcastle 0511

3D02 0518 Newcastle – Darlington 0552

3D02 0555 Darlington - Middlesbrough 0615

5W05 0629 Middlesbrough P2 – Middlesbrough P1 0634

2W05 0650 Middlesbrough - Newcastle 0816

2W25 1030 Newcastle – Nunthorpe 1206

2N31 1216 Nunthorpe - Hexham 1438

2N34 1445 Hexham - Nunthorpe 1701

2W68 1730 Nunthorpe - Newcastle 1906

then ???

HT4209

5N00 0521 Heaton Depot - Newcastle 0531 - 2 units

5N11 0549 Newcastle - Nunthorpe 0656

2N11 0718 Nunthorpe – Hexham 0937

2N14 0943 Hexham – Newcastle 1027

2N21 1122 Newcastle - Carlisle 1247

2N36 1332 Carlisle - Newcastle 1503

2N37 1524 Newcastle - Carlisle 1651

2N48 1728 Carlisle - Newcastle 1907

2N51 1925 Newcastle - Carlisle 2103

2N62 2128 Carlisle - Newcastle 2306

5D61 2320 Newcastle - Heaton Depot 2330

HT4210

5N00 0521 Heaton Depot - Newcastle 0531 - 2 units

5N00 0539 Newcastle - Hexham 0607

2N00 0612 Hexham - Middlesbrough 0823

2W18 0832 Middlesbrough - Hexham 1038

2N18 1045 Hexham – Nunthorpe 1304

2N35 1316 Nunthorpe - Hexham 1537

2N38 1543 Hexham – Middlesbrough 1748

2D90 1803 Middlesbrough – Nunthorpe 1818

2N99 1826 Nunthorpe - Darlington 1910

HT4211

5N01 0611 Heaton Depot - Newcastle 0621 - 2 units

2N01 0626 Newcastle - Hexham 0710 - 2 units

2N06 0742 Hexham - Middlesbrough 0950 - 2 units

5N23 0953 Middlesbrough – Middlesbrough Sidings – 2 units (split)

5N23 1030 Middlesbrough Sidings – Middlesbrough 1031

2N23 1032 Middlesbrough - Hexham 1238

2N26 1245 Hexham - Nunthorpe 1504

2N41 1516 Nunthorpe - Hexham 1737

2N46 1743 Hexham - Nunthorpe 2004

5D91 2006 Nunthorpe - Middlesbrough Sidings 2019

5W80 2059 Middlesbrough Sidings - Middlesbrough 2100

2W80 2101 Middlesbrough - Newcastle 2219

5W80 2232 Newcastle - Heaton Depot 2242 - 2 units

HT4212

5N01 0611 Heaton Depot - Newcastle 0621 - 2 units

2N01 0626 Newcastle - Hexham 0710 - 2 units

2N06 0742 Hexham - Middlesbrough 0950 - 2 units

split in Mbro sidings

5D98 1106 Middlesbrough Sidings - Darlington 1135

2D34 1232 Darlington - Saltburn 1327

2D29 1330 Saltburn - Darlington 1426

2D44 1430 Darlington - Saltburn 1525

2D37 1530 Saltburn - Darlington 1626

2D54 1630 Darlington - Saltburn 1725

2D47 1730 Saltburn - Bishop Auckland 1856

2D68 1902 Bishop Auckland - Saltburn 2025

2D59 2030 Saltburn - Darlington 2125

5D59 2131 Darlington – Newcastle 2206

5D59 2212 Newcastle – Heaton Depot 2222

2D04 0630 Darlington - Saltburn 0721

2A54 0725 Saltburn - Newcastle 0903

2W16 0944 Newcastle - Metrocentre 0954

2A06 1002 Metrocentre - Morpeth 1036

2A07 1049 Morpeth - Metrocentre 1123

2W31 1131 Metrocentre - Newcastle 1141

2W24 1144 Newcastle - Metrocentre 1154

2A14 1202 Metrocentre - Morpeth 1236

2A11 1249 Morpeth - Metrocentre 1323

2W41 1331 Metrocentre - Newcastle 1341

2W36 1344 Newcastle - Metrocentre 1354

2A18 1402 Metrocentre - Morpeth 1436

2A15 1449 Morpeth - Metrocentre 1523

2W49 1531 Metrocentre - Newcastle 1541

2W46 1544 Newcastle - Metrocentre 1554

2A26 1602 Metrocentre - Morpeth 1636

2A19 1649 Morpeth - Newcastle 1714

2N43 1724 Newcastle - Hexham 1808

2N50 1843 Hexham – Nunthorpe 2105

5N50 2106 Nunthorpe - Darlington 2137

HT4213

5N00 0521 Heaton Depot - Newcastle 0531

2W01 0600 Newcastle - Hartlepool 0646

2N07 0703 Hartlepool - Hexham 0838

2N10 0845 Hexham – Nunthorpe 1106

2N27 1116 Nunthorpe - Hexham 1337

2N30 1343 Hexham – Newcastle 1429

5A40 1709 Newcastle - Metrocentre 1724

2A40 1727 Metrocentre - Chathill 1849

2N53 1910 Chathill - Hexham 2059

2A48 2112 Hexham - Morpeth 2221

2A49 2245 Morpeth - Newcastle 2307

5D61 2320 Newcastle - Heaton Depot 2330

HT4214

5W02 0630 Heaton Depot - Newcastle 0640

2A02 0802 Newcastle - Morpeth 0824

2A03 0849 Morpeth - Newcastle 0914

2W20 1044 Newcastle - Metrocentre 1054

2A12 1102 Metrocentre - Morpeth 1136

2A09 1149 Morpeth - Metrocentre 1223

2W35 1231 Metrocentre - Newcastle 1241

5W35 1247 Newcastle – Heaton Depot 1257

5W64 1632 Heaton Depot - Newcastle 1642

2W64 1744 Newcastle - Metrocentre 1754

2A42 1806 Metrocentre - Morpeth 1841

2A23 1854 Morpeth - Newcastle 1917

2W97 2030 Newcastle - Middlesbrough 2148

5W97 2201 Middlesbrough - Darlington 2231

2D99 2238 Darlington - Middlesbrough 2304

5D99 2309 Middlesbrough - Darlington 2338

HT4215

5A55 2200 Heaton Depot - Newcastle 2210

2A55 2221 Newcastle - Darlington 2301

5A55 2305 Darlington - York 0009

HT5601

2L02 0523 Carlisle - Dumfries 0600

5L02 0608 Dumfries – Dumfries Yard 0612

5L03 0728 Dumfries Yard – Dumfries 0730

2N12 0745 Dumfries – Newcastle 0959

2W30 1245 Newcastle - Metrocentre 1255

2A16 1302 Metrocentre - Morpeth 1336

2A13 1349 Morpeth - Metrocentre 1423

2W45 1431 Metrocentre - Newcastle 1441

2W42 1444 Newcastle - Metrocentre 1454

2A22 1502 Metrocentre - Morpeth 1536

2A17 1549 Morpeth - Metrocentre 1623

2W55 1631 Metrocentre - Newcastle 1641

2W50 1644 Newcastle - Metrocentre 1654

2A32 1702 Metrocentre - Morpeth 1736

2A21 1749 Morpeth - Newcastle 1815

2W97 2030 Newcastle - Middlesbrough 2148 - 2 units

5W97 2201 Middlesbrough - Darlington 2231 - 2 units

2D99 2238 Darlington - Middlesbrough 2304 - 2 units

5D99 2309 Middlesbrough - Darlington 2338 - 2 units

HT5602

2L02 0523 Carlisle - Dumfries 0600

2N08 0617 Dumfries - Newcastle 0858

2A04 0915 Newcastle - Morpeth 0935

2N15 0949 Morpeth - Metrocentre 1023

2W27 1031 Metrocentre - Newcastle 1041

2N19 1054 Newcastle – Hexham 1137

2N22 1143 Hexham – Nunthorpe 1404

2N39 1418 Nunthorpe - Hexham 1638

2N42 1645 Hexham – Nunthorpe 1910

2W76 1940 Middlesbrough – Newcastle 2102

2N55 2118 Newcastle - Carlisle 2256

HT5603

2N04 0628 Carlisle - Newcastle 0807

2N09 0824 Newcastle - Carlisle 0957

2N20 1028 Carlisle - Newcastle 1159

5W35 1247 Newcastle – Heaton Depot 1257

5W43 1410 Heaton Depot – Newcastle 1420

2W43 1430 Newcastle – Nunthorpe 1600

2N45 1616 Nunthorpe - Carlisle 1932

2N56 1941 Carlisle - Middlesbrough 2236

5N56 2240 Middlesbrough - Darlington 2310

HT5604

5D06 0613 Darlington - Middlesbrough 0659

2D06 0704 Middlesbrough - Whitby 0838

2D17 0850 Whitby - Middlesbrough 1017

2D22 1028 Middlesbrough - Whitby 1159

2D65 1218 Whitby - Middlesbrough 1346

2D40 1404 Middlesbrough - Whitby 1535

2D43 1600 Whitby - Middlesbrough 1731

2D58 1740 Middlesbrough - Whitby 1911

2D67 1919 Whitby - Middlesbrough 2047

5D53 2049 Middlesbrough - Darlington 2130

HT5605

5M34 1607 Heaton Depot – Newcastle 1617

2M34 1622 Newcastle - Whitehaven 1924

2C33 1934 Whitehaven – Carlisle 2044

HT5606

3D02 0501 Heaton Depot - Newcastle 0511

2A00 0555 Newcastle - Chathill 0646

2A01 0708 Chathill - Newcastle 0820

2N17 1022 Newcastle - Carlisle 1157

2N28 1228 Carlisle - Newcastle 1359

2N33 1424 Newcastle - Carlisle 1557

2N44 1628 Carlisle - Newcastle 1759

2N47 1824 Newcastle - Carlisle 1959

2C48 2037 Carlisle – Whitehaven 2147

2C39 2151 Whitehaven – Workington 2211

5C39 2215 Workington – Workington HS 2224

Starts 5C32 to Maryport, 2C32 Preston

The fleet that operates around the North East is based at Heaton depot just outside Newcastle. Heaton's 142's get all over though, as their diagrams take them into Yorkshire, Lincolnshire and even across to Manchester. The 156's also get around, mostly down the Cumbrian Coast and even into Scotland on the morning jaunt to Dumfries!

The fleet based there is as follows
142015 142016 142017 142018 142019 142020 142021 142022 142024 142025 142026 142034 142050 142065 142066 142070 142071 142078 142079 142084 142086 142087 142088 142089 142090 142091 142092 142093 142094 142095 142096

156438 156443 156444 156448 156451 156454 156463 156469 156475 156480 156484 156490

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Andreos1

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07 May 2014, 7:33 pm #69

Looking at the services I use, it looks about right.

Haven't used or seen the 730 Newcastle - Nunthorpe this week and wont for a while, but apart from the one day last week when the Settle - Carlisle 156 appeared, it is always a 142.

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tyresmoke

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07 May 2014, 7:37 pm #70

Probably worth mentioning that the diagrams I'd worked out for Dec 2013-May 2014 have changed significantly in May 2014 for the new timetable. A number of services appear to have changed, with most services down the coast now extending to Nunthorpe to co-incide with the opening of James Cook station, rather than two out of 3 as the "current" timetable. A number appear to have been split in Newcastle too, with odd ones not continuing to Hexham any more, not sure why?!

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08 May 2014, 9:32 pm #71

(07 May 2014, 7:37 pm)tyresmoke Probably worth mentioning that the diagrams I'd worked out for Dec 2013-May 2014 have changed significantly in May 2014 for the new timetable. A number of services appear to have changed, with most services down the coast now extending to Nunthorpe to co-incide with the opening of James Cook station, rather than two out of 3 as the "current" timetable. A number appear to have been split in Newcastle too, with odd ones not continuing to Hexham any more, not sure why?!

Its to allow units to visit / leave Heaton through the day and not just at start and end of the day like present. Its not really shown in the unit diagrams as printed

Andreos1

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15 May 2014, 4:27 pm #72

Do you have a question for our Safety and Assurance Director? Join our #AskNorthern session on Monday 19th May 9-10am http://t.co/OgG2NHUhtR

Could be fun!

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Adrian

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15 May 2014, 7:20 pm #73

(15 May 2014, 4:27 pm)Andreos Constantopolous Could be fun!

I sense social media suicide is on the horizon.

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Andreos1

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15 May 2014, 9:18 pm #74

(15 May 2014, 7:20 pm)aureolin I sense social media suicide is on the horizon.

Good old Keith!
He likes dogs apparently...

edit: just incase people are unaware of the guy in the picture http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1...nel-4.html

Edited 15 May 2014, 9:40 pm by Andreos1.

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Andreos1

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22 Jun 2014, 11:13 am #75

http://www.northernrail.org/tickets/Le+Yorkshire+ticket

Le Yorkshire tickets seem good value at £9 for the day plus £1 discount when bought online.

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Dan

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22 Jun 2014, 11:14 am #76

Hope nobody was planning on going to Whitby by Northern Rail today... Went out for a photo of it passing SoL Metro earlier but I didn't manage because it was 50 minutes late.

tyresmoke

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22 Jun 2014, 11:21 am #77

(22 Jun 2014, 11:14 am)Dan Hope nobody was planning on going to Whitby by Northern Rail today... Went out for a photo of it passing SoL Metro earlier but I didn't manage because it was 50 minutes late.

Looks like it lost 53 mins between Newcastle and Pelaw Junction... Terminated at Middlesbrough 49 mins late, unit fault by the looks of it.

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22 Jun 2014, 11:31 am #78

(22 Jun 2014, 11:21 am)tyresmoke Looks like it lost 53 mins between Newcastle and Pelaw Junction... Terminated at Middlesbrough 49 mins late, unit fault by the looks of it.

2W10 1101 ex Hartlepool also terminated short.

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tyresmoke

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22 Jun 2014, 11:41 am #79

(22 Jun 2014, 11:31 am)Andreos Constantopolous 2W10 1101 ex Hartlepool also terminated short.

Looks like that is because 5W10 from Newcastle was stuck behind the failed 2D12 to Whitby. The unit off that was used for 2W14 1131 Mbro-Metrocentre which left at 1159, as it looks like they pinched that unit to restart the Whitby service on time from Middlesbrough...

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22 Jun 2014, 11:46 am #80

Probably worth mentioning that the first 319 unit, 319361 arrived yesterday morning to Allerton depot in Liverpool.

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