Reduce bus stops to attract more passengers?
Reduce bus stops to attract more passengers?
Would buses become more attractive to passengers, particularly car drivers, if the infrastructure was more tram-like?
I'm thinking of a situation where the bus follows a main A-road directly into a town or city centre.
Would it be better if existing stops were removed and new 'enhanced' stops were installed but at longer distances apart?
To my mind better, more substantial bus infrastructure and a quicker journey would certainly help make the bus a more attractive option. Although I can see that people with mobility issues may be disadvantaged as they would need to walk a bit further to get to the 'enhanced' stop.
I'm wondering if the buses and fares along the route were kept exactly the same, if this infrastructure enhancement alone could encourage people to use the bus who would normally just drive both initially due to the investment and over the long term?
(22 May 2022, 5:04 pm)balise33 Would buses become more attractive to passengers, particularly car drivers, if the infrastructure was more tram-like?They need to do much more than maintain the status quo.
I'm thinking of a situation where the bus follows a main A-road directly into a town or city centre.
Would it be better if existing stops were removed and new 'enhanced' stops were installed but at longer distances apart?
To my mind better, more substantial bus infrastructure and a quicker journey would certainly help make the bus a more attractive option. Although I can see that people with mobility issues may be disadvantaged as they would need to walk a bit further to get to the 'enhanced' stop.
I'm wondering if the buses and fares along the route were kept exactly the same, if this infrastructure enhancement alone could encourage people to use the bus who would normally just drive both initially due to the investment and over the long term?
(22 May 2022, 5:04 pm)balise33 Would buses become more attractive to passengers, particularly car drivers, if the infrastructure was more tram-like?They need to do much more than maintain the status quo.
I'm thinking of a situation where the bus follows a main A-road directly into a town or city centre.
Would it be better if existing stops were removed and new 'enhanced' stops were installed but at longer distances apart?
To my mind better, more substantial bus infrastructure and a quicker journey would certainly help make the bus a more attractive option. Although I can see that people with mobility issues may be disadvantaged as they would need to walk a bit further to get to the 'enhanced' stop.
I'm wondering if the buses and fares along the route were kept exactly the same, if this infrastructure enhancement alone could encourage people to use the bus who would normally just drive both initially due to the investment and over the long term?
(22 May 2022, 5:04 pm)balise33 Would buses become more attractive to passengers, particularly car drivers, if the infrastructure was more tram-like?I may be missing something here, but isn't this just the world's most expensive limited stop/express service?
I'm thinking of a situation where the bus follows a main A-road directly into a town or city centre.
Would it be better if existing stops were removed and new 'enhanced' stops were installed but at longer distances apart?
To my mind better, more substantial bus infrastructure and a quicker journey would certainly help make the bus a more attractive option. Although I can see that people with mobility issues may be disadvantaged as they would need to walk a bit further to get to the 'enhanced' stop.
I'm wondering if the buses and fares along the route were kept exactly the same, if this infrastructure enhancement alone could encourage people to use the bus who would normally just drive both initially due to the investment and over the long term?
(22 May 2022, 5:04 pm)balise33 Would buses become more attractive to passengers, particularly car drivers, if the infrastructure was more tram-like?I may be missing something here, but isn't this just the world's most expensive limited stop/express service?
I'm thinking of a situation where the bus follows a main A-road directly into a town or city centre.
Would it be better if existing stops were removed and new 'enhanced' stops were installed but at longer distances apart?
To my mind better, more substantial bus infrastructure and a quicker journey would certainly help make the bus a more attractive option. Although I can see that people with mobility issues may be disadvantaged as they would need to walk a bit further to get to the 'enhanced' stop.
I'm wondering if the buses and fares along the route were kept exactly the same, if this infrastructure enhancement alone could encourage people to use the bus who would normally just drive both initially due to the investment and over the long term?
Buses are buses
Trams are trams
Mixing them together doesn't work hence all Guided Busways have failed pretty much.
Just build the tram line and stop fannying around avoiding building the tramline imo. The amount of money they blow on bus lanes, bus stops, more bus lanes, more bus stops you'd be on the way to the tram anyway.
(22 May 2022, 6:46 pm)Storx Buses are busesWhere on earth would they put a tram line
Trams are trams
Mixing them together doesn't work hence all Guided Busways have failed pretty much.
Just build the tram line and stop fannying around avoiding building the tramline imo. The amount of money they blow on bus lanes, bus stops, more bus lanes, more bus stops you'd be on the way to the tram anyway.
(22 May 2022, 6:46 pm)Storx Buses are busesWhere on earth would they put a tram line
Trams are trams
Mixing them together doesn't work hence all Guided Busways have failed pretty much.
Just build the tram line and stop fannying around avoiding building the tramline imo. The amount of money they blow on bus lanes, bus stops, more bus lanes, more bus stops you'd be on the way to the tram anyway.
(22 May 2022, 8:23 pm)Unber43 Where on earth would they put a tram lineUnderground. Then connect it to the Metro (which could be seen as an overgrown tram system - I believe street running was one of the possibilities explored when they started building it).
(22 May 2022, 8:23 pm)Unber43 Where on earth would they put a tram line
(22 May 2022, 8:23 pm)Unber43 Where on earth would they put a tram line
Human psychology is the problem
I'll use Battlehill as an example
GNE 41 and 41A
Since the last changes it has added 2 extra minutes to drive around Wiltshire Drive however physiological passengers think its longer and will opt against it if they can
Same as 309 is quicker vs 310 and 311 as they add an extra 3-4 minutes around Mullen Road and Station Road
Express numbers should be made more effective
Eg X39 is the 309 but as an Express to Cobalt
Same as X21 is an Express to the 21 service to an extent
I would say increasing stops would be beneficial
I can't think of anything more offputting than having to walk even further to catch your bus or from your bus to home with heavy bags of shopping.
This is another batshit idea that only considers the start and end of the route. If the people in between are served even less well than they are already, then the rot will spread.
(22 May 2022, 6:46 pm)Storx Buses are buses
Trams are trams
Mixing them together doesn't work hence all Guided Busways have failed pretty much.
Just build the tram line and stop fannying around avoiding building the tramline imo. The amount of money they blow on bus lanes, bus stops, more bus lanes, more bus stops you'd be on the way to the tram anyway.
(22 May 2022, 6:46 pm)Storx Buses are buses
Trams are trams
Mixing them together doesn't work hence all Guided Busways have failed pretty much.
Just build the tram line and stop fannying around avoiding building the tramline imo. The amount of money they blow on bus lanes, bus stops, more bus lanes, more bus stops you'd be on the way to the tram anyway.
(23 May 2022, 8:19 am)Andreos1 Thing with trams, is that you can't really change the route. You're restricted as to which way they go and where they go to and from. They can't go in to estates, may miss out places of employment or retail etc.
Any big changes or extensions have huge capital investment whilst roads are ripped up and tracks laid.
With buses, you have a big advantage in being able to make a change, create a new route or have a variation at essentially a moments notice to suit changing demands or flows.
Bearing all that in mind, I wonder if the powers that be within certain operators actually realise they are playing with buses and not trams?
(23 May 2022, 8:19 am)Andreos1 Thing with trams, is that you can't really change the route. You're restricted as to which way they go and where they go to and from. They can't go in to estates, may miss out places of employment or retail etc.
Any big changes or extensions have huge capital investment whilst roads are ripped up and tracks laid.
With buses, you have a big advantage in being able to make a change, create a new route or have a variation at essentially a moments notice to suit changing demands or flows.
Bearing all that in mind, I wonder if the powers that be within certain operators actually realise they are playing with buses and not trams?
This would be a terrible idea. If anything, reducing the amount of bus stops would attract less passengers, not more.
Similar thing but not similar as I sat on a 21 yesterday....bus stops in awkward places that cause delays .
2 examples - both in Gateshead.
The stop at Civic Centre - if a passenger gets off there it inevitably causes the bus to miss the lights and end up waiting another 3-5 minutes before they change again plus holding up whatever bus is behind it.
Similarly to Askew Road and the infamous bus lane - if the bus stops there and misses that green light, its a hell of a wait for the signal change
(23 May 2022, 9:19 am)Storx I get what your saying about routing but generally the idea would be to not having the buses all running through in tandem towards Newcastle and the local hump services (let's call them that) connecting to a frequent tram instead so effectively half the route is removed.It was all a build up to the punchline at the end. Thought it was quite clever to be honest.
https://i.ibb.co/QYwn2Hb/trams.png - If you had a network like that, as that's arguably the corridors which would be best served by trams, then you could make small connecting networks in Birtley (28/82), Wrekenton (23/24/25/51/52), Low Fell (28A/29/93/94), Chester Le Street (25/34/71), Blaydon (R1, R3, R4) to connect local communities further out to Newcastle / Gateshead with routes like the 10, 21 (reduced frequency) etc still running through.
Plus you get desirable P&T sites which are situated at the 3 corners where they really should be covering the A69, A1(M) and Derwentside / Tyne Valley
(The light pink isn't at the bottom left is also the Consett Line if they ever opened that, could be an option for it to be Tram / Train connecting at Birtley)
(23 May 2022, 9:19 am)Storx I get what your saying about routing but generally the idea would be to not having the buses all running through in tandem towards Newcastle and the local hump services (let's call them that) connecting to a frequent tram instead so effectively half the route is removed.It was all a build up to the punchline at the end. Thought it was quite clever to be honest.
https://i.ibb.co/QYwn2Hb/trams.png - If you had a network like that, as that's arguably the corridors which would be best served by trams, then you could make small connecting networks in Birtley (28/82), Wrekenton (23/24/25/51/52), Low Fell (28A/29/93/94), Chester Le Street (25/34/71), Blaydon (R1, R3, R4) to connect local communities further out to Newcastle / Gateshead with routes like the 10, 21 (reduced frequency) etc still running through.
Plus you get desirable P&T sites which are situated at the 3 corners where they really should be covering the A69, A1(M) and Derwentside / Tyne Valley
(The light pink isn't at the bottom left is also the Consett Line if they ever opened that, could be an option for it to be Tram / Train connecting at Birtley)
(23 May 2022, 10:24 am)Ambassador Similar thing but not similar as I sat on a 21 yesterday....bus stops in awkward places that cause delays .
2 examples - both in Gateshead.
The stop at Civic Centre - if a passenger gets off there it inevitably causes the bus to miss the lights and end up waiting another 3-5 minutes before they change again plus holding up whatever bus is behind it.
Similarly to Askew Road and the infamous bus lane - if the bus stops there and misses that green light, its a hell of a wait for the signal change
(23 May 2022, 10:24 am)Ambassador Similar thing but not similar as I sat on a 21 yesterday....bus stops in awkward places that cause delays .
2 examples - both in Gateshead.
The stop at Civic Centre - if a passenger gets off there it inevitably causes the bus to miss the lights and end up waiting another 3-5 minutes before they change again plus holding up whatever bus is behind it.
Similarly to Askew Road and the infamous bus lane - if the bus stops there and misses that green light, its a hell of a wait for the signal change
(23 May 2022, 10:41 am)Rob44 Someone need to invent something that talks to traffic signals and when a bus approaches it turns from red to green giving buses priority
(23 May 2022, 10:41 am)Rob44 Someone need to invent something that talks to traffic signals and when a bus approaches it turns from red to green giving buses priority
(23 May 2022, 10:41 am)Rob44 Someone need to invent something that talks to traffic signals and when a bus approaches it turns from red to green giving buses priorityAll modern ticket machine equipment is fitted with that functionality as its essentially the same data that powers real time systems. However, local authorities need to make it happen at thier end.
(23 May 2022, 10:41 am)Rob44 Someone need to invent something that talks to traffic signals and when a bus approaches it turns from red to green giving buses priorityAll modern ticket machine equipment is fitted with that functionality as its essentially the same data that powers real time systems. However, local authorities need to make it happen at thier end.
Although there was some places that are over-served with bus stops seemingly every few metres, and I'd get rid of some of those, a better idea would be to go back to having some genuine express services.
I remember when the 'X' prefix actually meant that a stop was express, and served limited stops.
