Leamside Line
Leamside Line
When it was the centre of the NE and connected to the world!
http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/f/fencehouses/
The FPF would accept even half of what existed back then!
(17 Jan 2015, 12:22 pm)Andreos1 When it was the centre of the NE and connected to the world!I heard the ancestors of the present FPF did not like the Leamside Line, as they never took a real hard line till you came along Andreos, the old FPF feared being outflanked by the Penshaw Poncey Boys and Leamside Goon Patrol...It is talked about all over by various old members of East Durhams old revolutionaries...Any truth to it Andreos, as it is widely accepted the world over the modern FPF would not stand for that kind of behaviour now...nipple twisters all round if it happened today
http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/f/fencehouses/
The FPF would accept even half of what existed back then!
(17 Jan 2015, 12:22 pm)Andreos1 When it was the centre of the NE and connected to the world!I heard the ancestors of the present FPF did not like the Leamside Line, as they never took a real hard line till you came along Andreos, the old FPF feared being outflanked by the Penshaw Poncey Boys and Leamside Goon Patrol...It is talked about all over by various old members of East Durhams old revolutionaries...Any truth to it Andreos, as it is widely accepted the world over the modern FPF would not stand for that kind of behaviour now...nipple twisters all round if it happened today
http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/f/fencehouses/
The FPF would accept even half of what existed back then!
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/our-region...-1-8475530
Chaos in Penshaw!
As predicted, another knock back for the project to reopen the Leamside line: https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/1...side-line/, with the Government stating: "good potential in terms of transport and socio-economic benefits, the overall cost of the re-instatement (circa £600m) remains prohibitive”
As usual, there remains plenty of money when it comes to roads, with the A66 project for example being given £1 billion.
(29 Oct 2021, 9:05 am)Adrian As predicted, another knock back for the project to reopen the Leamside line: https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/1...side-line/, with the Government stating: "good potential in terms of transport and socio-economic benefits, the overall cost of the re-instatement (circa £600m) remains prohibitive”
As usual, there remains plenty of money when it comes to roads, with the A66 project for example being given £1 billion.
(29 Oct 2021, 9:05 am)Adrian As predicted, another knock back for the project to reopen the Leamside line: https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/1...side-line/, with the Government stating: "good potential in terms of transport and socio-economic benefits, the overall cost of the re-instatement (circa £600m) remains prohibitive”
As usual, there remains plenty of money when it comes to roads, with the A66 project for example being given £1 billion.
(29 Oct 2021, 9:23 am)Andreos1 Inevitable and ultimately disappointing.
However, if I was to play devils advocate here and pretend I was in charge of a local bus operator - I would be all over the report, the data within in, use it all and take advantage of it.
If the report states there are enough people for a train load of commuters, day trippers and whatever else - what could I do commercially with a bus?
What sort of service could I run along that corridor to take people to the places the train would have done?
What can I do to ensure that those socio-economic benefits fall in to my bus operators purse?
What can I do differently with my current network? What can I add to the current network?
How can I take advantage of all of this free data that may not be worth an investment of £600m - but could be worth investing a few hundred grand of resource into?
Unfortunately, I've a feeling the bus operators mindset will be as closed as the governments...
(29 Oct 2021, 9:23 am)Andreos1 Inevitable and ultimately disappointing.
However, if I was to play devils advocate here and pretend I was in charge of a local bus operator - I would be all over the report, the data within in, use it all and take advantage of it.
If the report states there are enough people for a train load of commuters, day trippers and whatever else - what could I do commercially with a bus?
What sort of service could I run along that corridor to take people to the places the train would have done?
What can I do to ensure that those socio-economic benefits fall in to my bus operators purse?
What can I do differently with my current network? What can I add to the current network?
How can I take advantage of all of this free data that may not be worth an investment of £600m - but could be worth investing a few hundred grand of resource into?
Unfortunately, I've a feeling the bus operators mindset will be as closed as the governments...
(29 Oct 2021, 3:52 pm)Storx Not sure why a bus company would want to look at that data. Rail and buses just aren't the same. It's not useful information so it'll just be skewed massively since there's a totally different demographic.
Car users will never move to a bus which takes longer than driving as it is from the likes of Washington as the bus will never be quicker and there's already the X1.
Buses are slow.
Cars are direct.
Trains are the quickest, as long as you happen to want to be where it goes.
(29 Oct 2021, 3:52 pm)Storx Not sure why a bus company would want to look at that data. Rail and buses just aren't the same. It's not useful information so it'll just be skewed massively since there's a totally different demographic.
Car users will never move to a bus which takes longer than driving as it is from the likes of Washington as the bus will never be quicker and there's already the X1.
Buses are slow.
Cars are direct.
Trains are the quickest, as long as you happen to want to be where it goes.
(29 Oct 2021, 9:05 am)Adrian As predicted, another knock back for the project to reopen the Leamside line: https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/1...side-line/, with the Government stating: "good potential in terms of transport and socio-economic benefits, the overall cost of the re-instatement (circa £600m) remains prohibitive”The restoring your railway fund only has £500m to fund all the reopenings, so it’s no surprise that the £600m bid for Leamside has been rejected. Don’t forget that the north east has got funding for the Northumberland line so we’ve not been totally forgotten.
As usual, there remains plenty of money when it comes to roads, with the A66 project for example being given £1 billion.
(29 Oct 2021, 9:05 am)Adrian As predicted, another knock back for the project to reopen the Leamside line: https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/1...side-line/, with the Government stating: "good potential in terms of transport and socio-economic benefits, the overall cost of the re-instatement (circa £600m) remains prohibitive”The restoring your railway fund only has £500m to fund all the reopenings, so it’s no surprise that the £600m bid for Leamside has been rejected. Don’t forget that the north east has got funding for the Northumberland line so we’ve not been totally forgotten.
As usual, there remains plenty of money when it comes to roads, with the A66 project for example being given £1 billion.
(29 Oct 2021, 10:52 pm)busmanT The restoring your railway fund only has £500m to fund all the reopenings, so it’s no surprise that the £600m bid for Leamside has been rejected. Don’t forget that the north east has got funding for the Northumberland line so we’ve not been totally forgotten.Typical of regime smoke and mirrors, whilst the Leamside line may have been included in that elimination process, it has been side swiped as it has been the table from 2018 with the DfT plans for increased capacity for the ECML.
(29 Oct 2021, 10:52 pm)busmanT The restoring your railway fund only has £500m to fund all the reopenings, so it’s no surprise that the £600m bid for Leamside has been rejected. Don’t forget that the north east has got funding for the Northumberland line so we’ve not been totally forgotten.Typical of regime smoke and mirrors, whilst the Leamside line may have been included in that elimination process, it has been side swiped as it has been the table from 2018 with the DfT plans for increased capacity for the ECML.
(29 Oct 2021, 10:52 pm)busmanT The restoring your railway fund only has £500m to fund all the reopenings, so it’s no surprise that the £600m bid for Leamside has been rejected. Don’t forget that the north east has got funding for the Northumberland line so we’ve not been totally forgotten.
(29 Oct 2021, 10:52 pm)busmanT The restoring your railway fund only has £500m to fund all the reopenings, so it’s no surprise that the £600m bid for Leamside has been rejected. Don’t forget that the north east has got funding for the Northumberland line so we’ve not been totally forgotten.
The reality nobody will accept is that the Leamside was on the table long before this pointless fund was devised. Side swiped deliberately meaning no more capacity on the ecml therefore adding to their desire to end HS2 at Manchester. Without the line this region is finished, no net zero, no serious investment. Buses are not the answer to this region's problems, rail is. This is typical of voting Tory, and this region will pay a heavy price for that.
(31 Oct 2021, 7:16 pm)54APhotography The reality nobody will accept is that the Leamside was on the table long before this pointless fund was devised. Side swiped deliberately meaning no more capacity on the ecml therefore adding to their desire to end HS2 at Manchester. Without the line this region is finished, no net zero, no serious investment. Buses are not the answer to this region's problems, rail is. This is typical of voting Tory, and this region will pay a heavy price for that.
(31 Oct 2021, 7:16 pm)54APhotography The reality nobody will accept is that the Leamside was on the table long before this pointless fund was devised. Side swiped deliberately meaning no more capacity on the ecml therefore adding to their desire to end HS2 at Manchester. Without the line this region is finished, no net zero, no serious investment. Buses are not the answer to this region's problems, rail is. This is typical of voting Tory, and this region will pay a heavy price for that.
(31 Oct 2021, 7:25 pm)Adrian I lived in Washington for most of my life, so know how long it has been campaigned for, and also the disappointment when the successive Governments have failed to act.Agree entirely and the Amazon subject was laid in front of the DfT when planning was being considered, the response was it would form part of a new transport network to inject prosperity.. Grant Shapps said that... Network Rail had twice submitted plans, one electrified, one not. In fact Shapps himself last year said it was crucial for future HS2 trains running to Newcastle, hinting Trans Pennine could run via Washington as a method of increasing overall capacity. Then this fund was dreamt up. Six projects already close to signing off were thrown into it including Leamside. It stood no chance in bare financial terms.
The line would provide so many benefits; not just to the ECML capacity, but also to be able to create the Wearside loop of the Metro and even allow Nissan to transport by Rail freight rather than diesel HGVs. Follingsby is also an expanding business park at last, and the amount of jobs Amazon has created there would be an ideal opportunity for a Metro station. It's literally in the perfect place.
(31 Oct 2021, 7:25 pm)Adrian I lived in Washington for most of my life, so know how long it has been campaigned for, and also the disappointment when the successive Governments have failed to act.Agree entirely and the Amazon subject was laid in front of the DfT when planning was being considered, the response was it would form part of a new transport network to inject prosperity.. Grant Shapps said that... Network Rail had twice submitted plans, one electrified, one not. In fact Shapps himself last year said it was crucial for future HS2 trains running to Newcastle, hinting Trans Pennine could run via Washington as a method of increasing overall capacity. Then this fund was dreamt up. Six projects already close to signing off were thrown into it including Leamside. It stood no chance in bare financial terms.
The line would provide so many benefits; not just to the ECML capacity, but also to be able to create the Wearside loop of the Metro and even allow Nissan to transport by Rail freight rather than diesel HGVs. Follingsby is also an expanding business park at last, and the amount of jobs Amazon has created there would be an ideal opportunity for a Metro station. It's literally in the perfect place.
(01 Nov 2021, 8:24 am)54APhotography Agree entirely and the Amazon subject was laid in front of the DfT when planning was being considered, the response was it would form part of a new transport network to inject prosperity.. Grant Shapps said that... Network Rail had twice submitted plans, one electrified, one not. In fact Shapps himself last year said it was crucial for future HS2 trains running to Newcastle, hinting Trans Pennine could run via Washington as a method of increasing overall capacity. Then this fund was dreamt up. Six projects already close to signing off were thrown into it including Leamside. It stood no chance in bare financial terms.Might the Leamside line feature in the forthcoming Integrated Rail Plan?
It is far more than just another old railway line, without it we cant expect any improvement of train services, cant have any future HS2 trains (if that is even likely now), and the meagre investment won't grow because our transport links can't cope..
(01 Nov 2021, 8:24 am)54APhotography Agree entirely and the Amazon subject was laid in front of the DfT when planning was being considered, the response was it would form part of a new transport network to inject prosperity.. Grant Shapps said that... Network Rail had twice submitted plans, one electrified, one not. In fact Shapps himself last year said it was crucial for future HS2 trains running to Newcastle, hinting Trans Pennine could run via Washington as a method of increasing overall capacity. Then this fund was dreamt up. Six projects already close to signing off were thrown into it including Leamside. It stood no chance in bare financial terms.Might the Leamside line feature in the forthcoming Integrated Rail Plan?
It is far more than just another old railway line, without it we cant expect any improvement of train services, cant have any future HS2 trains (if that is even likely now), and the meagre investment won't grow because our transport links can't cope..
I don't think the money will come from this regime. The times I banged on about this when European development money could have been partly available, just infuriates me why people of this region gave an ounce of trust to the successive régimes since 2010 that have strangled every ounce of investment out of this region.
(01 Nov 2021, 7:03 pm)54APhotography I don't think the money will come from this regime. The times I banged on about this when European development money could have been partly available, just infuriates me why people of this region gave an ounce of trust to the successive régimes since 2010 that have strangled every ounce of investment out of this region.
(01 Nov 2021, 7:03 pm)54APhotography I don't think the money will come from this regime. The times I banged on about this when European development money could have been partly available, just infuriates me why people of this region gave an ounce of trust to the successive régimes since 2010 that have strangled every ounce of investment out of this region.
