North East Buses

Period 1 Fleet Movements:

Busways:
19672 NK60 DNO ADL ENVIRO 400 Yorkshire to Walkergate
22462 T462 BNL MAN ALX300 Walkergate to Reserve
22480 T480 BNL MAN ALX300 Reserve to Disposal
22494 T494 BNL MAN ALX300 Sold to Alpha Recovery
22667 V667 DDC MAN ALX300 Transit Reserve to Reserve

Transit:
22667 V667 DDC MAN ALX300 Reserve to Busways Reserve
22733 T733 OEF MAN ALX300 Reserve to Disposal
33101 R101 KRG DENNIS DART SLF Sold to NE Bus Preservation
Trust

With thanks to "Michael Bonwick" of the "Stagecoach Enthusiasts" Facebook Group.

(07 Jun 2015, 4:28 pm)AIG20 wrote [ -> ]Period 1 Fleet Movements:

NEB fleet lists have also been updated.

Out of interest, what does this 'Period 1' stuff on the allocations actually mean? Does it just act as a reference as to when the transfers took place and when the document was published?

(07 Jun 2015, 8:04 pm)Robert wrote [ -> ]Out of interest, what does this 'Period 1' stuff on the allocations actually mean? Does it just act as a reference as to when the transfers took place and when the document was published?

It refers to the company's accounting/financial year.

As we've discussed in the past, and I'm sure you'll remember, Go North East's financial year starts/ends in June. The year is split up into periods, just like a monthly calendar. Stagecoach have a set 4-week period. 13 Periods * 4 weeks = 52 weeks (1 year).

Stagecoach document all movements that take place in their 'periods', opposed to on a weekly basis like Go North East.

(07 Jun 2015, 8:04 pm)Robert wrote [ -> ]Out of interest, what does this 'Period 1' stuff on the allocations actually mean? Does it just act as a reference as to when the transfers took place and when the document was published?

(07 Jun 2015, 8:10 pm)Dan wrote [ -> ]It refers to the company's accounting/financial year.

As we've discussed in the past, and I'm sure you'll remember, Go North East's financial year starts/ends in June. The year is split up into periods, just like a monthly calendar. Stagecoach have a set 4-week period. 13 Periods * 4 weeks = 52 weeks (1 year).

Stagecoach document all movements that take place in their 'periods', opposed to on a weekly basis like Go North East.

As such, the newly released Fleet Card is the Period 2 with Period 1 movements listed on there.

(07 Jun 2015, 8:13 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]As such, the newly released Fleet Card is the Period 2 with Period 1 movements listed on there.

Yes, the news article clearly states this:

Busways Fleet Movements - Period 1
The following movements have taken place during Period 1 within the Busways (Sunderland, Newcastle and South Shields) fleets:

(07 Jun 2015, 9:59 am)danpick wrote [ -> ]19197 has a kettle.

can i have a cuppa?

(06 Jun 2015, 9:44 pm)Jimmi wrote [ -> ]Especially turning left here where people are often at least part in the road so this could have resulted in serious injuries to pedestrians.

No idea when this happened but I think the first opportunity he could have stopped that's what should have been done.

Surprised you didn't put a complaint in.

(07 Jun 2015, 2:50 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]Do you?, what about if he does?

Just because you've seen the order list doesn't mean you know everything about the Stagecoach order and you don't have to have a attitude.

He knows everything. Or does he?.....

(09 Jun 2015, 2:46 pm)Cock Robin wrote [ -> ]He knows everything. Or does he?.....

No, he does not.

(09 Jun 2015, 3:40 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote [ -> ]No, he does not.

Ooo nice one  

could anyone give me some information. is NK09 FMF back in service or what is happening to it

(11 Jun 2015, 7:56 pm)buss14 wrote [ -> ]could anyone give me some information. is NK09 FMF back in service or what is happening to it

It's been back in service for months after last year's accident in Middlesbrough. 

According to Flickr user "mdw9121", former Stagecoach Sunderland MAN ALX300 22728 (T728 OEF) has been preserved. It's great to hear that at least one of them has been sold to something other than a bus breakers!

Does anyone know why Slatyford MAN ALX300 22480 (T480 BNL) has been listed for disposal, as I think that would be a likely candidate for preservation, due to apparently lots of money being spent on it over the years, as mentioned in this image.

Furthermore, no images have appeared yet of 33101 (R101 KRG) with is new owners - unless it is still in storage at Sunderland Depot...

(12 Jun 2015, 8:11 pm)AIG20 wrote [ -> ]According to Flickr user "mdw9121", former Stagecoach Sunderland MAN ALX300 22728 (T728 OEF) has been preserved. It's great to hear that at least one of them has been sold to something other than a bus breakers!

Does anyone know why Slatyford MAN ALX300 22480 (T480 BNL) has been listed for disposal, as I think that would be a likely candidate for preservation, due to apparently lots of money being spent on it over the years, as mentioned in this image.

Furthermore, no images have appeared yet of 33101 (R101 KRG) with is new owners - unless it is still in storage at Sunderland Depot...

Im so happy one has been preserved, I don't know why most drivers hated them as I thought they gave a pleasant ride

And again, Happy 33101 was preserved loved it juring its brief stay at South Sheilds. shame someone didn't preserve 33491/92 as they were part of my childhood riding them from town back home    but I think 91 was withdrawn with chassis issues or something like that. 

(12 Jun 2015, 8:22 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote [ -> ]Im so happy one has been preserved, I don't know why most drivers hated them as I thought they gave a pleasant ride

And again, Happy 33101 was preserved loved it juring its brief stay at South Sheilds. shame someone didn't preserve 33491/92 as they were part of my childhood riding them from town back home    but I think 91 was withdrawn with chassis issues or something like that. 

33492 also was withdrawn and latter scrapped due to chassis corrosion, after receiving parts from 33488 - which was also withdrawn and scrapped due to chassis corrosion! I think all of the R-reg darts had chassis issues at their end of life, which was probably one of the reasons why they were all scrapped. I assume a lot of chassis repairs will need to be done to 33101 during restoration.

(12 Jun 2015, 8:31 pm)AIG20 wrote [ -> ]33492 also was withdrawn and latter scrapped due to chassis corrosion, after receiving parts from 33488 - which was also withdrawn and scrapped due to chassis corrosion! I think all of the R-reg darts had chassis issues at their end of life, which was probably one of the reasons why they were all scrapped. I assume a lot of chassis repairs will need to be done to 33101 during restoration.

Not just chassis repairs, but probably a full overhaul to the body,chassis and engine area.

Also it will need heavy repairs to its gearbox as when it was at shields it had a sticky gearbox which meant it would go into high reving in gear 1 and then jerk roughly as it changed gear.

 I think all darts have chassis issue's of some sort from corrosion to a cracked chassis............or just put it this way..... You can find anything in a Dart!

the 19 Euro 5 Enviro 200 MK1s due next month for South Sheilds will replace older 61 Reg Enviro 200 36461-79 which will transfer to Hartlepool to replace the 19 Transbus Darts
33401, 34561-69 and 34605-08 to Disposal or Reserve

The 19 new E200s for shields will not replace the MAN 14.240 Enviro 200s 39701-14 as there is only 14 of them, These will stay at Sheilds
Also 14 Reg 37143/44 will stay at Sheilds with one replacing 22734s role with 22734 going to disposal

MAN 18.220 ALX300s 22050/67/70 will stay aswell as Darts 35190/91/92/93/94/95

So anyone wanting one final ride/photo of 22734 you have just under 1 month left.

This was just pure guessing but all of it adds up so id say its 90% likely to happen.

(12 Jun 2015, 9:03 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote [ -> ]the 19 Euro 5 Enviro 200 MK1s due next month for South Sheilds will replace older 61 Reg Enviro 200 36461-79 which will transfer to Hartlepool to replace the 19 Transbus Darts
33401, 34561-69 and 34605-08 to Disposal or Reserve

The 19 new E200s for shields will not replace the MAN 14.240 Enviro 200s 39701-14 as there is only 14 of them, These will stay at Sheilds
Also 14 Reg 37143/44 will stay at Sheilds with one replacing 22734s role with 22734 going to disposal

MAN 18.220 ALX300s 22050/67/70 will stay aswell as Darts 35190/91/92/93/94/95

So anyone wanting one final ride/photo of 22734 you have just under 1 month left.

This was just pure guessing but all of it adds up so id say its 90% likely to happen.

They wont replace the other E200 it will be 39701-39714 22734 and 22049/50/70 as it adds up to 19 buses going elsewhere bar 22734.

As there's all this speculation, I'd like to confirm the following.

37301-19 will not be replacing 22049/50/70. Those 3 are required for the X20 I understand due to the daytime loadings. I'm also lead to understand that 35190-5 will be transferring, rumours are to Hartlepool to replace older sisters on the 1.

(12 Jun 2015, 9:03 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote [ -> ]the 19 Euro 5 Enviro 200 MK1s due next month for South Sheilds will replace older 61 Reg Enviro 200 36461-79 which will transfer to Hartlepool to replace the 19 Transbus Darts
33401, 34561-69 and 34605-08 to Disposal or Reserve

The 19 new E200s for shields will not replace the MAN 14.240 Enviro 200s 39701-14 as there is only 14 of them, These will stay at Sheilds
Also 14 Reg 37143/44 will stay at Sheilds with one replacing 22734s role with 22734 going to disposal

MAN 18.220 ALX300s 22050/67/70 will stay aswell as Darts 35190/91/92/93/94/95

So anyone wanting one final ride/photo of 22734 you have just under 1 month left.

This was just pure guessing but all of it adds up so id say its 90% likely to happen.

I would say that there were a number of flaws in the Logic above.

First of all, you have missed off Fleet No.s 34550 & 34615 from the list of Transbus Darts @ Hartlepool
and even with these, there is a total of 16 Transbus Darts @ Hartlepool, and not 19, as you have clearly suggested above, with 34401 already being the Reserve/Spare vehicle.

Each Depot, is responsible for its own Maintenance budget, so why ?, would Hartlepool Depot, go to the expense, of refurbishing & repainting its Transbus Darts, only to withdraw them for disposal a month or two later. This would be a complete waste of money. For example, 34xxx, is repainted & moves to another depot (possibly out of the region), so Hartlepool have paid for that vehicle to be painted, only for some other depot, to then receive a freshly painted vehicle & it hasn't cost them a penny to repaint, out of their maintenance budget.

Hartlepool Depot, then get a replacement vehicle from another Depot, which needs a repaint, so they have to pay for that vehicle to be repainted as well, whereas, the money that was spent repainting the vehicle it lost, could have been used to have repainted another of its own vehicles.

The Teesside Depot, appears to have ceased repainting its T/V registered MANs, knowing full well, that in just a few months, they will be getting replaced with Brand New vehicles, so why waste, two or three grand on repainting a bus, so that it looks nice when it gets scrapped. It makes no sense.

I also do not understand, why South Shields (not sheilds), would wish to transfer out its 61' plate Enviro 200s, when it has older vehicles, such as the 09' plated MAN/E200s.

I would have to say too, that the MAN 14.240/E200, have not been the best of purchases made by the Stagecoach UK Bus Group, as they have proved to be rather unpopular.

It is probably best therefore not to speculate what could happen & wait until it actually does.

Someone, had previously suggested that 39701 - 39714 were to transfer to Hartlepool last December, and this never happened, so, I would again, wait to see what actually does happen in reality. 

(13 Jun 2015, 6:08 am)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]As there's all this speculation, I'd like to confirm the following.

37301-19 will not be replacing 22049/50/70. Those 3 are required for the X20 I understand due to the daytime loadings. I'm also lead to understand that 35190-5 will be transferring, rumours are to Hartlepool to replace older sisters on the 1.

Think I originally said when we first found out South Shields were getting new buses I said they would replace MANviros and darts but as this added to 20 1 more than was due people thought it wouldn't happen.

(12 Jun 2015, 7:23 am)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]It's been back in service for months after last year's accident in Middlesbrough. 

thanks for the help just i have not see for a while

(13 Jun 2015, 6:11 am)Martin Rogers wrote [ -> ]I would say that there were a number of flaws in the Logic above.

First of all, you have missed off Fleet No.s 34550 & 34615 from the list of Transbus Darts @ Hartlepool
and even with these, there is a total of 16 Transbus Darts @ Hartlepool, and not 19, as you have clearly suggested above, with 34401 already being the Reserve/Spare vehicle.

Each Depot, is responsible for its own Maintenance budget, so why ?, would Hartlepool Depot, go to the expense, of refurbishing & repainting its Transbus Darts, only to withdraw them for disposal a month or two later. This would be a complete waste of money. For example, 34xxx, is repainted & moves to another depot (possibly out of the region), so Hartlepool have paid for that vehicle to be painted, only for some other depot, to then receive a freshly painted vehicle & it hasn't cost them a penny to repaint, out of their maintenance budget.

Hartlepool Depot, then get a replacement vehicle from another Depot, which needs a repaint, so they have to pay for that vehicle to be repainted as well, whereas, the money that was spent repainting the vehicle it lost, could have been used to have repainted another of its own vehicles.

The Teesside Depot, appears to have ceased repainting its T/V registered MANs, knowing full well, that in just a few months, they will be getting replaced with Brand New vehicles, so why waste, two or three grand on repainting a bus, so that it looks nice when it gets scrapped. It makes no sense.

I also do not understand, why South Shields (not sheilds), would wish to transfer out its 61' plate Enviro 200s, when it has older vehicles, such as the 09' plated MAN/E200s.

I would have to say too, that the MAN 14.240/E200, have not been the best of purchases made by the Stagecoach UK Bus Group, as they have proved to be rather unpopular.

It is probably best therefore not to speculate what could happen & wait until it actually does.

Someone, had previously suggested that 39701 - 39714 were to transfer to Hartlepool last December, and this never happened, so, I would again, wait to see what actually does happen in reality. 

Ok, my bad I missed out 2 Darts. And ok I miscounted the Darts but never mind.

There has been a few cases of buses getting repainted and refurbished and then getting listed as disposal such as Olympian 16839 which was repainted and seats retrimmed and strait away listed as disposal, This has since been placed as Reserve at Walkergate running only 2 services a day at most......So why did Sunderland waste there money on it then?

What T/V Reg MANs? Im no expert for Hartlepools Fleet but the only MAN 18.220 Based at Hartlepool is Reserve S Reg MAN 22455, according to the Fleet list.

It does not always count on the age of a vehicle that determines what is moved out, it mostly depends on the quality, cost to maintain, break downs or new laws such as DDA

Shields is just a word us Shielders use, no one in South Sheilds says "South Sheilds" we just say Sheilds.

The 61 Reg Enviros have been a lot worse in reliability the MAN Enviros recently, the 61 Reg Enviros have worse build quality, Frequent Engine Troubles and loads more.
The MAN Enviros have had their past troubles but the ones at Shields have improved significantly with only 39710 being off the road recently , whilst some 61 Reg ones I think have had to get major work done on them ( engine rebuilds etc )

Based on a customer opinion, they would 100% prefer a MAN Enviro over a Normal one there ride quality is better, you don't feel every bump in the road and there more powerful 
Based on a maintenance opinion there both neck and neck they both have there problems.

If everyone waited until it really happened this forum would be boring, after all this page is called latest news and DISSCUSSION 

Anyone's allowed to suggest or talk about anything they want from orders to suggesting transfers,theres nothing wrong with that,and if they get it wrong so what.....
we all like buses, we all talk about buses but no ones perfect

(13 Jun 2015, 6:11 am)Martin Rogers wrote [ -> ]I would say that there were a number of flaws in the Logic above.

First of all, you have missed off Fleet No.s 34550 & 34615 from the list of Transbus Darts @ Hartlepool
and even with these, there is a total of 16 Transbus Darts @ Hartlepool, and not 19, as you have clearly suggested above, with 34401 already being the Reserve/Spare vehicle.

Each Depot, is responsible for its own Maintenance budget, so why ?, would Hartlepool Depot, go to the expense, of refurbishing & repainting its Transbus Darts, only to withdraw them for disposal a month or two later. This would be a complete waste of money. For example, 34xxx, is repainted & moves to another depot (possibly out of the region), so Hartlepool have paid for that vehicle to be painted, only for some other depot, to then receive a freshly painted vehicle & it hasn't cost them a penny to repaint, out of their maintenance budget.

Hartlepool Depot, then get a replacement vehicle from another Depot, which needs a repaint, so they have to pay for that vehicle to be repainted as well, whereas, the money that was spent repainting the vehicle it lost, could have been used to have repainted another of its own vehicles.

The Teesside Depot, appears to have ceased repainting its T/V registered MANs, knowing full well, that in just a few months, they will be getting replaced with Brand New vehicles, so why waste, two or three grand on repainting a bus, so that it looks nice when it gets scrapped. It makes no sense.

I also do not understand, why South Shields (not sheilds), would wish to transfer out its 61' plate Enviro 200s, when it has older vehicles, such as the 09' plated MAN/E200s.

I would have to say too, that the MAN 14.240/E200, have not been the best of purchases made by the Stagecoach UK Bus Group, as they have proved to be rather unpopular.

It is probably best therefore not to speculate what could happen & wait until it actually does.

Someone, had previously suggested that 39701 - 39714 were to transfer to Hartlepool last December, and this never happened, so, I would again, wait to see what actually does happen in reality. 

Seeing as this has been corrected... There appears to be a lot of unnecessary commas in the above... If South Tyne Lad wishes to speculate, he can by all means speculate. I honestly cannot believe somebody is asking another person to not make up their own version of events to share, and just wait for stuff to happen. In another post, you were mentioning how people on this forum just slap each other down... The irony!

(13 Jun 2015, 7:24 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote [ -> ]The 61 Reg Enviros have been a lot worse in reliability the MAN Enviros recently, the 61 Reg Enviros have worse build quality, Frequent Engine Troubles and loads more.
The MAN Enviros have had their past troubles but the ones at Shields have improved significantly with only 39710 being off the road recently , whilst some 61 Reg ones I think have had to get major work done on them ( engine rebuilds etc )

Based on a customer opinion, they would 100% prefer a MAN Enviro over a Normal one there ride quality is better, you don't feel every bump in the road and there more powerful 
Based on a maintenance opinion there both neck and neck they both have there problems.

There are several videos on this YouTube channel showing how bad ADL E200s can be - especially in hilly areas. The common "squealing/screaming" turbo fault is also a really bad disadvantage of an ADL E200 - as demonstrated in this and this video - faults of which some of the South Shields ADL E200s have had/still have.

Furthermore, the MAN E200s have less idle vibrations than the ADL E200s and Pointer Darts, which makes the ride much more comfortable - which I assume is a reason why the ride quality is better in the MAN E200s.

(13 Jun 2015, 7:46 pm)AIG20 wrote [ -> ]There are several videos on this YouTube channel showing how bad ADL E200s can be - especially in hilly areas. The common "squealing/screaming" turbo fault is also a really bad disadvantage of an ADL E200 - as demonstrated in this and this video - faults of which some of the South Shields ADL E200s have had/still have.

Furthermore, the MAN E200s have less idle vibrations than the ADL E200s and Pointer Darts, which makes the ride much more comfortable - which I assume is a reason why the ride quality is better in the MAN E200s.

If as you suggest the MAN/ALX200s are better than the ADL E200s, why has Stagecoach North East invested in a further 19 ADL 200s & not 19 MAN/ADL 200s. ?

With regard to 16839, this vehicle was withdrawn owing to Chassis Corrosion, but the engineers at Sunderland were subsequently able to repair it. As for it being in reserve at Walkergate, the fleet allocation card on the mbonwick site, shows it as being reserve/spare at Sunderland, or are you suggesting the Official Stagecoach Documents are also incorrect.

(13 Jun 2015, 8:00 pm)Martin Rogers wrote [ -> ]If as you suggest the MAN/ALX200s are better than the ADL E200s, why has Stagecoach North East invested in a further 19 ADL 200s & not 19 MAN/ADL 200s. ?

With regard to 16839, this vehicle was withdrawn owing to Chassis Corrosion, but the engineers at Sunderland were subsequently able to repair it. As for it being in reserve at Walkergate, the fleet allocation card on the mbonwick site, shows it as being reserve/spare at Sunderland, or are you suggesting the Official Stagecoach Documents are also incorrect.

I recall recently two Olympians (16833 and 16839 I think) were transferred to assist services in Newcastle with late running. I'm unsure if they've transferred back or not, but I don't think their return from Walkergate was noted; if it was, I didn't see it. I don't think it's really fair to accuse South Tyne Lad of suggesting the official documentation is incorrect.

(13 Jun 2015, 8:00 pm)Martin Rogers wrote [ -> ]If as you suggest the MAN/ALX200s are better than the ADL E200s, why has Stagecoach North East invested in a further 19 ADL 200s & not 19 MAN/ADL 200s.

Because MAN stopped offering the 14.240 Chassis for the UK market at the end of 2013 for all body's ADL,MCV etc

So currently ADL don't offer any MAN chassis in there body range E200/300

(13 Jun 2015, 8:04 pm)R852 PRG wrote [ -> ]I recall recently two Olympians (16833 and 16839 I think) were transferred to assist services in Newcastle with late running. I'm unsure if they've transferred back or not, but I don't think their return from Walkergate was noted; if it was, I didn't see it. I don't think it's really fair to accuse South Tyne Lad of suggesting the official documentation is incorrect.

I think there still at Walkergate but just see very limited service like what I posted in my post earlier.