From Wikipedia...
After Leeds and Boston went into Admin in 2007 before the end of the season, the Football Association nipped it shut, by stopping clubs trying it again. In Leeds case they would lose 15 more the following season.
Leeds United filed for administration with only a few days remaining in the 2006–07 season, which automatically triggered a 10-point penalty. This placed Leeds at the bottom of the table and relegated the club, but they were extremely likely to have been relegated anyway. By entering administration during the 2006–07 season, they hoped to avoid starting the 2007–08 season on −10 points. The following week, Boston United entered administration in the final minutes of a defeat to Wrexham which ensured they were relegated to the Football Conference, meaning they likewise avoided starting the following season on -10 points (though they would find themselves being double-relegated to the Conference North for unrelated reasons).The Football League saw both cases as clubs trying to exploit a loophole, and changed the rules.
From 2007–08, any club entering administration after the fourth Thursday in March would have their 10-point deduction suspended until the following season. If the club is relegated the points will be deducted from their tally at the start of next season. If the club stays up the 10 points will be taken off their final total.
That being said if Sunderland went into Admin now, they would lose 10 points next season regardless of what happened this season
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(22 Apr 2018, 9:22 am)MrFozz wrote [ -> ]Im sure there is a cut off date somewhere to go into administration and have the points taken that season.
Leeds tried it in 2007 and lost points that season and went on to lose 15 the season after because of the way Ken Bates went about the whole thing.
If Sunderland went into Admin now, I am fairly sure they would lose the points next season and start with -10 with the possibility of losing more depending on how thet came out of admin.
One thing is certain, Sunderland are neck deep in shit. I cant see them going out of business, but also cant think of anyone who would want to buy them, even for a quid, because the debts are crippling, the Chronicle reported they had the 13th largest debt in European Football (£159m) with only Man Utd and Liverpool ahead of them in England
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/fo...s-14173822
Even if Ellis Short sticks to his promise of writing off the personal debt owed to him, it is still not an attractive proposition to buy into.
Too big for the fans to take on as well, I hope there is light at the end of the tunnel for Sunderland, I will always have a soft spot for them, I went to Roker as a kid with my granddad, all my family are fans as well.
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I don't see where they can make any money to reinvest.
Any profit or income at the moment, seems to be allocated to paying off a debt of some sort.
£3m a month by all accounts.
I dont see that as sustainable in the Championship, never mind in League 1.
They can make redundancies, can sell off what land they own, can make savings by closing sections of the stadium etc. They need a decent regular income and I can't see where that will be from if attendances keep dwindling or season ticket renewals keep falling.
(22 Apr 2018, 9:44 am)Michael wrote [ -> ]But what about 5-1?, see that a lot.... can you not move on from that?
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Just look at their little faces
(22 Apr 2018, 10:12 am)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]I don't see where they can make any money to reinvest.
Any profit or income at the moment, seems to be allocated to paying off a debt of some sort.
£3m a month by all accounts.
I dont see that as sustainable in the Championship, never mind in League 1.
They can make redundancies, can sell off what land they own, can make savings by closing sections of the stadium etc. They need a decent regular income and I can't see where that will be from if attendances keep dwindling or season ticket renewals keep falling.
Just look at their little faces
Aye he went to play for a bigger club, like "Aston Villa", where is he now?, on the brink of league 1 like us hahahahahaha
(22 Apr 2018, 9:22 am)MrFozz wrote [ -> ]Im sure there is a cut off date somewhere to go into administration and have the points taken that season.
Leeds tried it in 2007 and lost points that season and went on to lose 15 the season after because of the way Ken Bates went about the whole thing.
If Sunderland went into Admin now, I am fairly sure they would lose the points next season and start with -10 with the possibility of losing more depending on how thet came out of admin.
One thing is certain, Sunderland are neck deep in shit. I cant see them going out of business, but also cant think of anyone who would want to buy them, even for a quid, because the debts are crippling, the Chronicle reported they had the 13th largest debt in European Football (£159m) with only Man Utd and Liverpool ahead of them in England
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/fo...s-14173822
Even if Ellis Short sticks to his promise of writing off the personal debt owed to him, it is still not an attractive proposition to buy into.
Too big for the fans to take on as well, I hope there is light at the end of the tunnel for Sunderland, I will always have a soft spot for them, I went to Roker as a kid with my granddad, all my family are fans as well.
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(22 Apr 2018, 10:23 am)Michael wrote [ -> ]Aye he went to play for a bigger club, like "Aston Villa", where is he now?, on the brink of league 1 like us hahahahahaha
https://twitter.com/Total_NUFC/status/98...5000282112
The gift that keeps on giving.
Not sure if I prefer this fella or the Proper Mackem.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/438...nel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_news_north_east&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=english_regions
Consortium led by forme Hull chairman, pulls out of discussions.
Meanwhile, reports indicate Mike Ashley has increased the value of Newcastle by another £100m.
He either wants to sell it or doesn't...
2 big things from Sunderland today:
The club confirmed that Coleman and his assistant Kit Symons have been released from their contracts.
AND Ellis Short looks to be going!!!
(29 Apr 2018, 12:28 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]2 big things from Sunderland today:
The club confirmed that Coleman and his assistant Kit Symons have been released from their contracts.
AND Ellis Short looks to be going!!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43941426
Eastleigh up for sale, now Chairman involved with Sunderland.
Shame...
Coleman had nothing to lose going down this year with the shite he inherited, this new group should have shown faith in Coleman to at least try and help the club recover
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(29 Apr 2018, 2:35 pm)MrFozz wrote [ -> ]Shame...
Coleman had nothing to lose going down this year with the shite he inherited, this new group should have shown faith in Coleman to at least try and help the club recover
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Agree with that Fozz. If Coleman was interested in staying, he would have been a brilliant manager to guide them back to the Championship, and even give it a good go once back there.
(29 Apr 2018, 4:56 pm)Adrian wrote [ -> ]Agree with that Fozz. If Coleman was interested in staying, he would have been a brilliant manager to guide them back to the Championship, and even give it a good go once back there.
He was though, he even offered to take a pay cut to stay
(29 Apr 2018, 2:35 pm)MrFozz wrote [ -> ]Shame...
Coleman had nothing to lose going down this year with the shite he inherited, this new group should have shown faith in Coleman to at least try and help the club recover
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I'm convinced this consortium have someone lined up and essentially held all the cards in negotiations.
A case of ensuring they weren't landed with any pay-offs once control was ceded to them perhaps?
Coleman's win percentage ahead of the Sunderland job was hardly spectacular and by all accounts, some of his decisions since taking over, have been strange.
I read some stats earlier regarding the keeper situation.
Apparently there has been a change of keeper on 7 occasions since he took over.
Steele and Ruiter may have looked vulnerable and ultimately their performances led to Camp being purchased in January.
Camp didn't turn up any trees (despite his experience at that level) and seemed to be forever swapping places on the bench with Steele in the months that followed.
Hardly a recipe for success or confidence.
A strong forward line might get you goals, but you arent going to lose many if you don't conceed many. A settled back 4/5 can help achieve that aim.
So who do people think will be next Sunderland Manager...
Names I have seen bandied about is Mick McCarthy, Roy Keane and Kevin Phillips
My old man wants Peter Reid to return
For me, I say take a risk on someone like Kevin Phillips, no management experience, but the name alone would bring a bit of a feel good factor round the place...
Not sure about Keane, McCarthy has done a good job at Wolves and wasn't bad at Sunderland in the Championship, Peter Reid is the one I sure about, my dad likes him and thinks he will do a job.
What Sunderland need is someone who can go in and stamp there authority on the club, restructure the team from top to bottom, someone young amd hungry, who will take no shit and weed out the clowns who have been around the last few years.
I hear Arsene Wenger is out of work in the next few weeks
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(29 Apr 2018, 10:07 pm)MrFozz wrote [ -> ]So who do people think will be next Sunderland Manager...
Names I have seen bandied about is Mick McCarthy, Roy Keane and Kevin Phillips
My old man wants Peter Reid to return
For me, I say take a risk on someone like Kevin Phillips, no management experience, but the name alone would bring a bit of a feel good factor round the place...
Not sure about Keane, McCarthy has done a good job at Wolves and wasn't bad at Sunderland in the Championship, Peter Reid is the one I sure about, my dad likes him and thinks he will do a job.
What Sunderland need is someone who can go in and stamp there authority on the club, restructure the team from top to bottom, someone young amd hungry, who will take no shit and weed out the clowns who have been around the last few years.
I hear Arsene Wenger is out of work in the next few weeks
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Three names I expect to see bandied about. Two in managerial roles the other in some sort of ambassadorial/advisor role.
Chris Wilder.
Michael Appleton.
Glenn Hoddle.
All have links to this Donald fella at either Oxford or Eastleigh.
(29 Apr 2018, 7:27 pm)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]Coleman's win percentage ahead of the Sunderland job was hardly spectacular and by all accounts, some of his decisions since taking over, have been strange.
Not only that, but whenever I've heard him in the radio, he sounds despondent as hell. A depressed manager hardly inspires confidence.
(12 Jun 2018, 8:59 pm)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44458631
Gateshead sale collapses and club goes part-time.
Can pretty much say there chances of getting to the EFL now is over.
Its been coming for a while, The International Stadium is terrible to watch Football and the Average gate has dropped from just under 1200 in 14-15 to 852 last season.
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(12 Jun 2018, 10:00 pm)MrFozz wrote [ -> ]Can pretty much say there chances of getting to the EFL now is over.
Its been coming for a while, The International Stadium is terrible to watch Football and the Average gate has dropped from just under 1200 in 14-15 to 852 last season.
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According to reports today, there was mention of administration as a possibility.
I think the current owners have gone in with their eyes closed or have been sold a dud.
They've never been close to promotion or looked likely to reach it these last few seasons and whatever business plan they had (presumably based on promotion being acheived), looks like it has gone out of the window.
A huge shame for all involved.
(13 Jun 2018, 8:28 pm)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]According to reports today, there was mention of administration as a possibility.
I think the current owners have gone in with their eyes closed or have been sold a dud.
They've never been close to promotion or looked likely to reach it these last few seasons and whatever business plan they had (presumably based on promotion being acheived), looks like it has gone out of the window.
A huge shame for all involved.
But aren't the current owners staying on though, if so, I admire them for that, they could have flushed the Club down the Toilet, put them into Administration, seen them liquidated and then they would have re-formed in the Northern League. To be honest, a couple of division drop may not have been a bad thing, as they could re-group, go back to basics and rebuild.
While the EFL is now a million miles away, part time is not a bad thing, Dover have done well over the past few years and the Dover manager recently said there would be nothing stopping them stopping them staying PT in EFL2.
It will be tough for Gateshead, they are competing with big spenders Spennymoor and South Shields along with Darlington and Blyth for part time talent, even the Northern League can shell out good money for Semi-Pros.
For me the problem is the Stadium, hardly anybody likes Athletic Stadiums for football, the Prince Consort Road scheme would have been good, but right now, it is teams like Hartlepool and Leyton Orient along with Darlo and York keeping the average up by bringing a decent following.
It is a shame, but it was always going to happen, no owner will spunk money into a club forever with nothing in return, as you say, the ambition was nothing short of a return to the Football League and it backfired unfortunately
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(13 Jun 2018, 8:42 pm)MrFozz wrote [ -> ]But aren't the current owners staying on though, if so, I admire them for that, they could have flushed the Club down the Toilet, put them into Administration, seen them liquidated and then they would have re-formed in the Northern League. To be honest, a couple of division drop may not have been a bad thing, as they could re-group, go back to basics and rebuild.
While the EFL is now a million miles away, part time is not a bad thing, Dover have done well over the past few years and the Dover manager recently said there would be nothing stopping them stopping them staying PT in EFL2.
It will be tough for Gateshead, they are competing with big spenders Spennymoor and South Shields along with Darlington and Blyth for part time talent, even the Northern League can shell out good money for Semi-Pros.
For me the problem is the Stadium, hardly anybody likes Athletic Stadiums for football, the Prince Consort Road scheme would have been good, but right now, it is teams like Hartlepool and Leyton Orient along with Darlo and York keeping the average up by bringing a decent following.
It is a shame, but it was always going to happen, no owner will spunk money into a club forever with nothing in return, as you say, the ambition was nothing short of a return to the Football League and it backfired unfortunately
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=eN4rfVHCGCo
https://www.gateshead-fc.com/club-statement-2/
Some interesting comments there. Worth a read/listen.
As for other local big-spenders, worth keeping an eye on Hebburn.
I think they have a little bit of the green-eyed-monster emerging after seeing what their neighbours down the river have been up to.
Spending big already this summer and apparently have big plans for the ground.
Gateshead FC sale agreed.
Hong Kong based businessman has agreed to buy the club.
I haven't seen anything regarding full-time/part-time status changing.
Watson to stay on as manager.
(13 Jun 2018, 9:09 pm)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=eN4rfVHCGCo
https://www.gateshead-fc.com/club-statement-2/
Some interesting comments there. Worth a read/listen.
As for other local big-spenders, worth keeping an eye on Hebburn.
I think they have a little bit of the green-eyed-monster emerging after seeing what their neighbours down the river have been up to.
Spending big already this summer and apparently have big plans for the ground.
I wonder about Hebburn, am not sure it is a good move for them to be bankrolled, after Newcastle, Sunderland and South Shields, Gateshead will have the local support mopped up.
How will Hebburn attract supporters to make it to the next level, do they have a grounded graded for the next level as well, it wont be easy, but good luck to 'em, these chances nearly always end up with teams booming, then it will suddenly go pop when the chairman gets sick.
I cant see Hebburn ever being able to compete with Shields for fans
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(09 Aug 2018, 11:47 am)MrFozz wrote [ -> ]I wonder about Hebburn, am not sure it is a good move for them to be bankrolled, after Newcastle, Sunderland and South Shields, Gateshead will have the local support mopped up.
How will Hebburn attract supporters to make it to the next level, do they have a grounded graded for the next level as well, it wont be easy, but good luck to 'em, these chances nearly always end up with teams booming, then it will suddenly go pop when the chairman gets sick.
I cant see Hebburn ever being able to compete with Shields for fans
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Got no idea how their attendances are doing, but the backers obviously have a vision.
Signed a few players from Shields over the summer too.
I've an indirect link to the club through a close family member of a colleague, so get some gossip.
Never actually been down to watch them play though.
Went down to Hebburn in 2013 to watch Darlington, we beat them 7-1 in a dirty game...
Hebburn were down to 9 men within 15 minutes, as they tried to boot Darlo off the park...
Good luck to them, I just hope it does not end in tears for them, but history tells a different story.