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Wonder what depot will be taking these Streetdecks. Apparently its Riverside but cant  really think what would need these high spec'd vehicles.

Any ideas?

(24 Jul 2022, 9:01 pm)KingSlayerRBLX wrote [ -> ]Wonder what depot will be taking these Streetdecks. Apparently its Riverside but cant  really think what would need these high spec'd vehicles.

Any ideas?

the 6? 

Maybe the dreaded 58? 

10/10B (with the 10A going stand alone as the 48)

(24 Jul 2022, 9:06 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]the 6? 

Maybe the dreaded 58? 

10/10B (with the 10A going stand alone as the 48)

Probably not the 6 since it Interworks with the 12 also they recently got the upgrade with the Daimler Lites.
58 maybes but doubt that since they only just got the Geminis.
Never knew about that 48, depends on the PVR.

Only i can think of is the 57.  Would be a major upgrade

(24 Jul 2022, 9:10 pm)KingSlayerRBLX wrote [ -> ]Probably not the 6 since it Interworks with the 12 also they recently got the upgrade with the Daimler Lites.
58 maybes but doubt that since they only just got the Geminis.
Never knew about that 48, depends on the PVR.

Only i can think of is the 57.  Would be a major upgrade

The 48 was just a suggestion. Nothing confirmed. 

Neither the 57 or 58 Need 70/20 plate buses

(24 Jul 2022, 9:06 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]the 6? 

Maybe the dreaded 58? 

10/10B (with the 10A going stand alone as the 48)

6 - No change

58 - Possibly, most likely will be StreetDecks on X21 with B5TLs in turn going on the 58.

10/10B - Not enough as PVR for 10/10B is 11x and there's only 8x StreetDecks availabke. 10A is already standalone and no need for re-numbering.

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(24 Jul 2022, 9:18 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]The 48 was just a suggestion. Nothing confirmed. 

Neither the 57 or 58 Need 70/20 plate buses

58 is a fairly popular route, but B9TLs are only what was available and appropriate at the time.

6149-54 will come in very useful, maybe with some ending up on DFDS work.

(24 Jul 2022, 9:19 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]6 - No change

58 - Possibly, most likely will be StreetDecks on X21 with B5TLs in turn going on the 58.

10/10B - Not enough as PVR for 10/10B is 11x and there's only 8x StreetDecks availabke. 10A is already standalone and no need for re-numbering.

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58 is a fairly popular route, but B9TLs are only what was available and appropriate at the time.

6149-54 will come in very useful, maybe with some ending up on DFDS work.

the 58 is only popular if you think about 20-30 out of 67 seats are popular. Passenger numbers have been dwindling for years

(24 Jul 2022, 9:24 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]the 58 is only popular if you think about 20-30 out of 67 seats are popular. Passenger numbers have been dwindling for years

There's no question about it but the Amazon extension will increase numbers. GNE have done their research and even have a dedicated 'X' variant of the 58 for this purpose.

(24 Jul 2022, 9:26 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]There's no question about it but the Amazon extension will increase numbers. GNE have done their research and even have a dedicated 'X' variant of the 58 for this purpose.

Yes, but X58 has been brought in for peak times, however do you really think 15-20 people will be getting on from amazon every 15 mins

(24 Jul 2022, 9:27 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]Yes, but X58 has been brought in for peak times, however do you really think 15-20 people will be getting on from amazon every 15 mins

Won't be 'every' journey but there will be runs where a decker could easily be filled up.

(24 Jul 2022, 9:30 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Won't be 'every' journey but there will be runs where a decker could easily be filled up.

Which is why X58 was brought in

(24 Jul 2022, 9:31 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]Which is why X58 was brought in

Same argument could've been brought in for the 309 & 310 back in 2013/14 long before covid when the Cobalt was thriving and no competition other than Arriva's X6 (or X9 as it was at the time).

Some runs would carry fresh air but a fair number at peak times could easily be filled with the OmniCitys and Citaros struggling capacity wise.

(24 Jul 2022, 9:24 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]the 58 is only popular if you think about 20-30 out of 67 seats are popular. Passenger numbers have been dwindling for years

You do realise 30 passengers is 3/4 seats full on the old Versa's right? It sounds like it should be a double decker to me. People don't like sitting next to people so once you get to that stage then Decker's should be allocated imo.

I'd be very surprised if the Coast Road services average that there's a lot of buses which carry single digits especially if it's trailing a 306 or 308. Similar to the Consett buses, they could be operated by minibuses at peak times the runs going against the peak flow.

(24 Jul 2022, 9:36 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]You do realise 30 passengers is 3/4 seats full on the old Versa's right? It sounds like it should be a double decker to me. People don't like sitting next to people so once you get to that stage then Decker's should be allocated imo.

I'd be very surprised if the Coast Road services average that there's a lot of buses which carry single digits especially if it's trailing a 306 or 308. Similar to the Consett buses, they could be operated by minibuses at peak times the runs going against the peak flow.

I said 20-30, the most I've seen on it, and when i've been on it is 27, with 45 in the peak from newcastle. 


But I mean the good thing about follingsby is when people want to come to Newcastle from heworth, people from amazon want to go to Heworth. So really the amazon and commuters should never clash

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We will probably know where every thing is going by the September changes

(24 Jul 2022, 9:40 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]I said 20-30, the most I've seen on it, and when i've been on it is 27, with 45 in the peak from newcastle. 


But I mean the good thing about follingsby is when people want to come to Newcastle from heworth, people from amazon want to go to Heworth. So really the amazon and commuters should never clash

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We will probably know where every thing is going by the September changes

tbf 20 isn't bad numbers really for such a short route. Believe it's just over 30 minutes end to end so that's like 40 passengers per hour on a bus. There won't be many GNE services higher than that.

Anything above 20 starts to get cosy on a single decker imo.

(24 Jul 2022, 9:45 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]tbf 20 isn't bad numbers really for such a short route. Believe it's just over 30 minutes end to end so that's like 40 passengers per hour on a bus. There won't be many GNE services higher than that.

Anything above 20 starts to get cosy on a single decker imo.

I agree as someone who gets the 4/8/78/60/X20/65/50 quite often it certainly does especially on the X20 as the Citaro layout is quite bad.

Because I was thinking about this, on a route which takes 60 mins, you need atleast around 15-20 passengers, say they all pay avg. £1.50, 

10 - £15
12 - £18
15 - £22.50
20 - £30 

£15 say driver gets paid £12, £3 for fuel/bus insurance probs won't make money, where as as it gets to 12-20 people per bus per hour it will. 

I look at the 55/62, they are 60 mins, and 75 mins, if they got them down to 40 mins and 60 mins, needing only a PVR of 3 & 2. But aswell It shocks me with the 62 taking 75 mins, why didn't they extend it upto Parkside, or through Tunstall/Leechmere to get it to 90 mins to try and get the most passengers possible

Stay on topic if we can

I think thats what makes the 20/60/58 seem quite popular and money making

30-60 mins routes, high frequency (it being increases wouldn't be bad either). There is no doubt the 58 makes money its a short route its just the passenger numbers aren't really their for the 58.

Cos the 20/60 easily get 20-30 people on each trip, If you think about it 20 you have Durham, Gilesgate, Rainton, Houghton, Sunderland. For the 60 you have Parkside, Seaham, Deneside, Sunderland and they do get high traffic numbers .

I remember on martjin latest live he mentioned something for the X1/21/60 about something to stop them going behind each other, which can't really be prevented I remember I saw an X1 on bus times which was 24 mins late, whats that going to do go not in service from Easington/Peterlee to Washington and make people wait another 12 mins, for a bus which is propably already rammed, same with the 60/20, 60 two are constanly running together.

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(24 Jul 2022, 9:58 pm)KingSlayerRBLX wrote [ -> ]Stay on topic if we can

Maybe change the thread titles to 

Allocations after network changes or something like that

(24 Jul 2022, 9:58 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]Maybe change the thread titles to 
Allocations after network changes or something like that

Maybes but this is the X-Lines Streetdecks going onto some normal service so it is rather a big change

(24 Jul 2022, 10:03 pm)KingSlayerRBLX wrote [ -> ]Maybes but this is the X-Lines Streetdecks going onto some normal service so it is rather a big change

Streetdeck & Other allocations after 24th July changes?

(24 Jul 2022, 9:52 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]I agree as someone who gets the 4/8/78/60/X20/65/50 quite often it certainly does especially on the X20 as the Citaro layout is quite bad.

Because I was thinking about this, on a route which takes 60 mins, you need atleast around 15-20 passengers, say they all pay avg. £1.50, 

10 - £15
12 - £18
15 - £22.50
20 - £30 

£15 say driver gets paid £12, £3 for fuel/bus insurance probs won't make money, where as as it gets to 12-20 people per bus per hour it will. 

I look at the 55/62, they are 60 mins, and 75 mins, if they got them down to 40 mins and 60 mins, needing only a PVR of 3 & 2. But aswell It shocks me with the 62 taking 75 mins, why didn't they extend it upto Parkside, or through Tunstall/Leechmere to get it to 90 mins to try and get the most passengers possible

See I think your looking at the numbers too easily especially those 2 routes. It's not just really about the number of passengers on board and any point.

Just to pick the 56 as it's a good one for it.

You might only have 20 people on board leaving Newcastle, which seems low but in reality what's happening is.

20 Boarded Newcastle / 15 Left Old Durham Road, 20 Boarded Old Durham Road / 15 Left at Wrekenton, 10 Boarded at Wrekenton / 10 Left at Concord, 15 Boarded Concord / 20 Left Nissan, 5 Boarded Nissan / 10 Left Southwick, 20 Boarded Southwick

which is a total of 90 PAX over the journey.

Compare that to the say the 55. You might have 25 leaving Sunderland and seems to be busy. Catch 22 it picks up 4 people the whole next hour and it's dead by Peterlee.

Total pax for that journey is only 29 and it's loss making.

Most the services being cut are falling under the 55 trap whereas the services which aren't 10/21/27/56/97 and so on have multiple destinations.

(24 Jul 2022, 10:06 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]See I think your looking at the numbers too easily especially those 2 routes. It's not just really about the number of passengers on board and any point.

Just to pick the 56 as it's a good one for it.

You might only have 20 people on board leaving Newcastle, which seems low but in reality what's happening is.

20 Boarded Newcastle / 15 Left Old Durham Road, 20 Boarded Old Durham Road / 15 Left at Wrekenton, 10 Boarded at Wrekenton / 10 Left at Concord, 15 Boarded Concord / 20 Left Nissan, 5 Boarded Nissan / 10 Left Southwick, 20 Boarded Southwick

which is a total of 90 PAX over the journey.

Compare that to the say the 55. You might have 25 leaving Sunderland and seems to be busy. Catch 22 it picks up 4 people the whole next hour and it's dead by Peterlee.

Total pax for that journey is only 29 and it's loss making.

Most the services being cut are falling under the 55 trap whereas the services which aren't 10/21/27/56/97 and so on have multiple destinations.

I feel like the 27, 60 is also a good example, 27 Newcastle/Gateshead > Hebburn > Jarrow > South Sheilds

You have people going from Hebburn to Jarrow, Sheilds & Newcastle/Gateshead. There are many places on the route for people to get on get off. 

The 60, according to when bus times was tracking 60, you would have people coming from Parkside/Dawdon to Seaham, but also from Seaham to Deneside/Ryhope, then you have people from Parkside/Dawdon/Seaham/Deneside/Ryhope going all the way through. 

I think the 55 was just over-competed, it was an extra buses which was only used for people going to Easington/Peterlee from Sunderland or on the A690 but then you had the 62 which was more reliable and took roughly the same time

The last time I caught the 55, it filled to the gills in Houghton then was empty by South Hetton. I reckon a lot of people relied on it for short local journeys.

(24 Jul 2022, 10:23 pm)BusLoverMum wrote [ -> ]The last time I caught the 55, it filled to the gills in Houghton then was empty by South Hetton. I reckon a lot of people relied on it for short local journeys.

I've seen many (particularly those with passes) travelling between the Coalfields and Sunderland will get one bus there and two back - generally a quicker and more frequent 20 - to Houghton and then the first one from Houghton to Hetton etc

Looks like 8344 is on the QA/QB today, I take it the batch has ended up like this:

8339 - 42 - Washington
8343 - 46 - Percy Main

(24 Jul 2022, 9:52 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]I agree as someone who gets the 4/8/78/60/X20/65/50 quite often it certainly does especially on the X20 as the Citaro layout is quite bad.

Because I was thinking about this, on a route which takes 60 mins, you need atleast around 15-20 passengers, say they all pay avg. £1.50, 

10 - £15
12 - £18
15 - £22.50
20 - £30 

£15 say driver gets paid £12, £3 for fuel/bus insurance probs won't make money, where as as it gets to 12-20 people per bus per hour it will. 

I look at the 55/62, they are 60 mins, and 75 mins, if they got them down to 40 mins and 60 mins, needing only a PVR of 3 & 2. But aswell It shocks me with the 62 taking 75 mins, why didn't they extend it upto Parkside, or through Tunstall/Leechmere to get it to 90 mins to try and get the most passengers possible

Why would they extend the 62 to parkside just to go back on itself? If people wanted to get it that desperately then they could just get the 60 to dawdon or the harbour which basically stops on their front doors.

(25 Jul 2022, 8:58 am)ALavery wrote [ -> ]Why would they extend the 62 to parkside just to go back on itself? If people wanted to get it that desperately then they could just get the 60 to dawdon or the harbour which basically stops on their front doors.

Yeah it would, but it would also be a connection to Dalton Park, peterlee & easington which doesn't exist and not want to pay and extra £1.80

(25 Jul 2022, 8:44 am)Michael wrote [ -> ]Looks like 8344 is on the QA/QB today, I take it the batch has ended up like this:

8339 - 42 - Washington
8343 - 46 - Percy Main

8339/42 are on the 34 which I believe is still at Chester. Washington seem to have 8294-98 and 8319-8328 which seems like a lot of Versa's for a PVR of 7 across the 25/28/29.

Seems X71 & X72 will operate sometimes with streetdecks

(25 Jul 2022, 10:07 am)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]Yeah it would, but it would also be a connection to Dalton Park, peterlee & easington which doesn't exist and not want to pay and extra £1.80

Or you could just walk to the top? Realistically next to no one would use it when they have the 60 as an option or a ten minute walk to the harbour. When they’re saying that there’s not enough passengers to cover the fuel costs, spending even more on fuel with no increase in passengers to fund it means it’d be bound to go bust anyway…

S&D Violets all on the 61 now

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(25 Jul 2022, 10:13 am)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]Seems X71 & X72 will operate sometimes with streetdecks

X71 is gonna be a tree basher, not long till they are gone