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RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Kuyoyo - 23 Dec 2013
B9s are also unlikely for future decker orders unless they were ordered in the next week - the Euro6 emissions take effect from the 1st January 2014 when the Volvo Decker becomes the B5TL (after operators requested the 5-litre engine in the new decker rather than the planned 8-litre fitted to the replacement for the B7RLE - the B8RLE).
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - tyresmoke - 23 Dec 2013
GNEs batch of 56 plate Omnicities are Euro4 versions. The Arriva Euro3 Omnicities are so much better in comparison, reliability is way higher than GNE's. look how Percy Main struggle massively despite how many they have!!
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Michael - 28 Dec 2013
(23 Dec 2013, 1:05 pm)Kuyoyo B9s are also unlikely for future decker orders unless they were ordered in the next week - the Euro6 emissions take effect from the 1st January 2014 when the Volvo Decker becomes the B5TL (after operators requested the 5-litre engine in the new decker rather than the planned 8-litre fitted to the replacement for the B7RLE - the B8RLE).
Could they not use the B5TL on other services?
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Davey Bowyer - 30 Dec 2013
I honestly don't know how operators are going to cope over the coming years with regards to rural and endurance routes when the likes of the B9TL/DB250 are withdrawn in favour of so called eco-friendly buses. How would the B5TL cope tearing up and down the A19 with a maximum of 94 passengers everyday for 7 years? Volvo don't realise that some operators still need bigger engines for high capacity long range double deck routes such as GNE's TTX and Arriva's X15 and X18.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Kuyoyo - 30 Dec 2013
(30 Dec 2013, 9:02 am)Davey Bowyer I honestly don't know how operators are going to cope over the coming years with regards to rural and endurance routes when the likes of the B9TL/DB250 are withdrawn in favour of so called eco-friendly buses. How would the B5TL cope tearing up and down the A19 with a maximum of 94 passengers everyday for 7 years? Volvo don't realise that some operators still need bigger engines for high capacity long range double deck routes such as GNE's TTX and Arriva's X15 and X18.
I think you need to re-read my post, Volvo were originally planning to fit the 8-litre engine going in the single decker and some coaches but the operators requested the decker be fitted with the 5-litre engine used in the hybrids.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Dan - 30 Dec 2013
(30 Dec 2013, 9:20 am)Kuyoyo I think you need to re-read my post, Volvo were originally planning to fit the 8-litre engine going in the single decker and some coaches but the operators requested the decker be fitted with the 5-litre engine used in the hybrids.
That would have been 'the majority vote', as it were. Each and every operator would not have requested that they were fitted with 5-litre engines - as Davey Bowyer said, the B5TL is not suitable for the purpose B9TLs are currently being used for, by some operators (in short, a low-floor coach alternative).
I don't think it's a coincidence such a large number (47) of B9TL vehicles were purchased this year, by Go North East.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Andreos1 - 30 Dec 2013
Pretty certain I read somewhere, that Diesel engines were not going to be an option on some Volvo vehicle types too.
At the moment, operators have the choice between diesel or hybrid, that choice will be removed going forward.
www.volvobusenvironmentblog.com/2013/10/01/hybrid-is-no-longer-optional/
Quote:The 31st of December in 2013 Volvo will make hybrid the standard offer for city buses in Europe.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Davey Bowyer - 30 Dec 2013
Even the big engine option Scania offer on the ADL400 body, won't be enough due to the poor reliability of Scanias. How will operators cope though in the future? Take this as an example:
- The B9TL's on the TTX are only 16 month old and despite a few problems with them here and there, they've served their purpose well. When they get to 7 years old, they'll be battered and bruised but will still be good for less demanding work.
- Arriva's ADL E400's with the Cummins ISBe 6 Cylinder engine, were struggling at 2 1/2 years old particularly on the slip roads and that was only on the 308! And just very recently, 7510 which was part of the original X31/2/3 purchase, went up in smoke in Felton.
- Arriva's VDL DB300's with the same engine, are only 2-4 years old and they're struggling with reports of engine rebuilds being required. I went on one once on the X10 and it was struggling on the A1.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Davey Bowyer - 30 Dec 2013
What I would say though, is in five years time, Yorkshire Coastliner (Transdev), Arriva and GNE could unite for a big order of the Gemini 3. There would be enough orders to warrant Wrightbus to add the B8TL engine into the Wright Gemini 3. Look at it like this:
- GNE would order 20 for the TEN and TTX.
- Arriva would order 37 for the X10, X11, X15, X18, X21 and X22.
-Transdev would order 20 for the Yorkshire Coastliner.
It would be a total order of 77 vehicles and this alone would warrant the cost of Wrightbus serving a collabirated order.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Andreos1 - 30 Dec 2013
(30 Dec 2013, 12:58 pm)Davey Bowyer What I would say though, is in five years time, Yorkshire Coastliner (Transdev), Arriva and GNE could unite for a big order of the Gemini 3. There would be enough orders to warrant Wrightbus to add the B8TL engine into the Wright Gemini 3. Look at it like this:
- GNE would order 20 for the TEN and TTX.
- Arriva would order 37 for the X10, X11, X15, X18, X21 and X22.
-Transdev would order 20 for the Yorkshire Coastliner.
It would be a total order of 77 vehicles and this alone would warrant the cost of Wrightbus serving a collabirated order.
To be honest, the different divisions of each company could do that.
GNE could order however many, as do Oxford, Brighton etc.
Pretty sure bulk ordering happens already just to reduced the costs.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Michael - 30 Dec 2013
With GNE wanting to order 80 buses for 2014/2015.
The Gemini 3 could be on the list of Demo buses for next year.
We go back to Rob's teaser list:
Lime
X66
Laser
Crusader
Washington Street Shuttle
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Only route their which could get a Gemini 3 is the 27.
Can't see any of the other services getting decker's.
Unless GNE change their plans for orders.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Andreos1 - 30 Dec 2013
(30 Dec 2013, 1:11 pm)Michael With GNE wanting to order 80 buses for 2014/2015.
The Gemini 3 could be on the list of Demo buses for next year.
We go back to Rob's teaser list:
Lime
X66
Laser
Crusader
Washington Street Shuttle
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Only route their which could get a Gemini 3 is the 27.
Can't see any of the other services getting decker's.
Unless GNE change their plans for orders.
In days gone by, the 35 was known as the 535 and 536.
There were deckers on the route then.
You never know...
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Michael - 30 Dec 2013
(30 Dec 2013, 1:13 pm)andreos1 In days gone by, the 35 was known as the 535 and 536.
There were deckers on the route then.
You never know...
Ye, GNE could change their plans but atm only info we have on the Laser is new Citaro's will replace the Scania's... to me that's daft when they could just upgrade all of the brand with new buses.
For me it would be:
Decker's for the Laser
Laser Citaro's to Prince Bishops
Prince Bishop Scania's replacing Cadets
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Dan - 30 Dec 2013
(30 Dec 2013, 1:22 pm)Michael Ye, GNE could change their plans but atm only info we have on the Laser is new Citaro's will replace the Scania's... to me that's daft when they could just upgrade all of the brand with new buses.
For me it would be:
Decker's for the Laser
Laser Citaro's to Prince Bishops
Prince Bishop Scania's replacing Cadets
That, or the Solars replacing the Volvo B10BLE/Wright Renown vehicles which has previously been discussed... If you went with the latter option, I'd say you were spot on.
The Solars are to start entering the "spare role fleet" too, as most have clocked up quite a few years now... Pointless branding them for a service.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Michael - 30 Dec 2013
(30 Dec 2013, 1:31 pm)Dan That, or the Solars replacing the Volvo B10BLE/Wright Renown vehicles which has previously been discussed... If you went with the latter option, I'd say you were spot on.
I was busy talking to someone else at the same time and we were discussing the cadets, typed it in by accident.
Dan it does seem the best way to do it, instead of just replacing the laser scania's
I also hope they get decker's for the Prince Bishops some time in the future, maybe in 2015/2016
They are hoping their 160 new buses in service by the end of 2016...
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Dan - 30 Dec 2013
(30 Dec 2013, 1:35 pm)Michael I was busy talking to someone else at the same time and we were discussing the cadets, typed it in by accident.
Dan it does seem the best way to do it, instead of just replacing the laser scania's
I also hope they get decker's for the Prince Bishops some time in the future, maybe in 2015/2016
They are hoping their 160 new buses in service by the end of 2016...
I suspect Go North East will make the right decision in the end, and what you've said sounds pretty logical to me (replacing Renowns as opposed to Cadets as I said above, however).
Let's remember that Go North East need to continuously invest in their double decker fleet for the future, otherwise you're left in a position whereby services can justify an upgrade but there are no suitable vehicles to upgrade them to.
While double decker investment may not seem all too logical at present, it will help out massively in the future.
Hey, it'll not be long until the eldest Citaros in the fleet start leaving the "big boy" services, and start being rolled out into a lesser role! That's what investment of 100 buses does for you.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Michael - 30 Dec 2013
(30 Dec 2013, 1:41 pm)Dan I suspect Go North East will make the right decision in the end, and what you've said sounds pretty logical to me (replacing Renowns as opposed to Cadets as I said above, however).
Let's remember that Go North East need to continuously invest in their double decker fleet for the future, otherwise you're left in a position whereby services can justify an upgrade but there are no suitable vehicles to upgrade them to.
While double decker investment may not seem all too logical at present, it will help out massively in the future.
Hey, it'll not be long until the eldest Citaros in the fleet start leaving the "big boy" services, and start being rolled out into a lesser role! That's what investment of 100 buses does for you.
Ye, they sure will, it does seem in the next 2-3 years the older Citaro's will enter a "spare role" within the flee, which is good.
The way GNE are investing in new orders will be have all newish buses by the time 2017 arrives, this of course might be achieved with at least 160 new buses coming in to service over the next 2 years (said 2 years due to it being its 2014 in 2 days time!).
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - tyresmoke - 30 Dec 2013
(30 Dec 2013, 1:49 pm)Michael Ye, they sure will, it does seem in the next 2-3 years the older Citaro's will enter a "spare role" within the flee, which is good.
The way GNE are investing in new orders will be have all newish buses by the time 2017 arrives, this of course might be achieved with at least 160 new buses coming in to service over the next 2 years (said 2 years due to it being its 2014 in 2 days time!).
The only issue I can see with this is in 10 years everything will come up for renewal in one go!
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - Dan - 30 Dec 2013
(30 Dec 2013, 3:12 pm)tyresmoke The only issue I can see with this is in 10 years everything will come up for renewal in one go!
Not necessarily.
Vehicles of different lengths have different a different shell life span, and the business plan which went with the investment of that batch of vehicles would have covered the costs over that amount of time.
It is obviously quite possible that these vehicles won't even last that length of time in the fleet also! It does seem that Go North East are wanting to reduce their average fleet age.
Ultimately depends how much money the services make which they have been allocated to, and how much money the services make when the vehicles eventually cascade down to other services.
RE: 2014 GNE Bus Order Predictions - grandad - 30 Dec 2013
So what chance the Red Kite getting an update any time soon? The omnicities are 7 years old and quite heavily used.