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RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 08 Aug 2021
(08 Aug 2021, 2:48 pm)mb134 Did you decide against reading the post 3 above yours?I know it's only temporary but will still have an impact no doubt.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - RobinHood - 08 Aug 2021
(08 Aug 2021, 2:49 pm)L469 YVK I know it's only temporary but will still have an impact no doubt.
The industry ' as we know it' will be wholly different in 12-24 months time. Competition will be slim to none, as local authorities will have a much more significant input in what commercial businesses can do. Think of it as franchising, but more subtle, given operators will all still be jumping through hoops for funding for a few years yet - that will require local authority agreement to obtain. We all know how poor authorities are at network planning, but they will have a bigger say than ever.
The Coast Road and its over subscription of services will absolutely be rationalised in the NBS. Infact, the NBS actually makes very specific reference to these instances where resources could and should be used elsewhere for greater good, whilst maintaining a high frequency still. I dont think Arriva, nor GNE are looking at the Coast Road in the same way any more. There is literally nothing making money at the moment.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Train8261 - 11 Aug 2021
Arriva Service 35A Newbiggin to Morpeth from 29th August
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 11 Aug 2021
(11 Aug 2021, 10:05 am)Train8261 Arriva Service 35A Newbiggin to Morpeth from 29th August
35 / 35A - Both hourly, slightly different routes to get the PVR down to 3 as mentioned.
43 - Every 15 Minutes
55 - Every 20 Minutes
306 - Every 15 Minutes
308 - Every 15 Minutes
X21 - Every 20 Minutes
X22 - Every 20 Minutes
No changes to the X10, X11, X30 and 46 though.
They're all happening on the same date.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - mb134 - 11 Aug 2021
Yep, so with the 35/35A:
The 35 runs direct from North Seaton to Woodhorn, before starting the return trip to Morpeth and will drop off and pick up through Newbiggin.
The 35A does the opposite, running as normal from North Seaton to Woodhorn but running direct on the trip to Morpeth from Woodhorn.
As Storx has said above it cuts the PVR to 3.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 11 Aug 2021
(11 Aug 2021, 10:20 am)mb134 Yep, so with the 35/35A:
The 35 runs direct from North Seaton to Woodhorn, before starting the return trip to Morpeth and will drop off and pick up through Newbiggin.
The 35A does the opposite, running as normal from North Seaton to Woodhorn but running direct on the trip to Morpeth from Woodhorn.
As Storx has said above it cuts the PVR to 3.
It's not a bad move in fairness to them and doesn't change much. The timetable is a right mess though as someone who can read timetables it's a bit erm confusing. All the buses going via Sandy Bay in the morning towards Ashington and same at evening peak in the opposite direction. The 35 going the Woodhorn route during the day but then suddenly changes to going via Sandy Bay in the evening rush hour with no realistic way of actually telling it does with one random bus leaving Morpeth at 08:34 doing so aswell.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - mb134 - 11 Aug 2021
(11 Aug 2021, 10:43 am)Storx It's not a bad move in fairness to them and doesn't change much. The timetable is a right mess though as someone who can read timetables it's a bit erm confusing. All the buses going via Sandy Bay in the morning towards Ashington and same at evening peak in the opposite direction. The 35 going the Woodhorn route during the day but then suddenly changes to going via Sandy Bay in the evening rush hour with no realistic way of actually telling it does with one random bus leaving Morpeth at 08:34 doing so aswell.
Aye, hopefully the app (I know, reaching here) makes it a bit more straightforward for folk.
Edit: I think the 0834 you mention will run dead to the depot, so won't be picking anyone up and as such will only need to drop off passengers, same with the evening trips. It looks like there will still be one peak board too, whatever works that 0834 and the 1651/1714 evening trips.
Having looked at the X21/22 times in the morning peak to Newcastle compared to the 'old' (when it was last every 20 mins) timetables, here's the differences:
New times: X21 - 0536 (from Ash), 0546, 0610, 0635, 0700, 0715, 0740, 0810, 0830, 0850, 0915 (then every 20 mins)
X22 - 0507, 0554, 0624, 0649, 0714, 0734, 0759, 0824, 0849 (then every 20 mins)
Old times: X21 - 0546 (from Ash), 0601, 0621, 0641, 0701, 0721, 0741, 0806, 0831, 0856, 0916 (then every 20).
X22 - 0516, 0605, 0635, 0655, 0715, 0735, 0755, 0820, 0850 (then every 20 mins)
So same number of journeys, but the first few of the day are quite a bit earlier. First full X21 is a full 15 minutes earlier from Newbiggin and is accommodated by the 0601/21/41 moving to an 0610 and 0635. First 3 X22s are 10 minutes earlier.
In terms of the 35 towards Morpeth in the morning peak, again compared to the last time it was every 20 mins:
New timetables: 0522 (from Ash), 0601 (from Moor Est), 0622, 0652, 0722, 0737, 0752, 0827, 0854 (35A from Spital), 0924, 0959 (35A from Spital)
Old timetables: 0522 (from Ash), 0601 (from Moor Est), 0627, 0647, 0707, 0727, 0747, 0807, 0832, 0857, 0917, 0937, 0957
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 11 Aug 2021
(11 Aug 2021, 10:56 am)mb134 Aye, hopefully the app (I know, reaching here) makes it a bit more straightforward for folk.
Edit: I think the 0834 you mention will run dead to the depot, so won't be picking anyone up and as such will only need to drop off passengers, same with the evening trips. It looks like there will still be one peak board too, whatever works that 0834 and the 1651/1714 evening trips.
Having looked at the X21/22 times in the morning peak to Newcastle compared to the 'old' (when it was last every 20 mins) timetables, here's the differences:
New times: X21 - 0536 (from Ash), 0546, 0610, 0635, 0700, 0715, 0740, 0810, 0830, 0850, 0915 (then every 20 mins)
X22 - 0507, 0554, 0624, 0649, 0714, 0734, 0759, 0824, 0849 (then every 20 mins)
Old times: X21 - 0546 (from Ash), 0601, 0621, 0641, 0701, 0721, 0741, 0806, 0831, 0856, 0916 (then every 20).
X22 - 0516, 0605, 0635, 0655, 0715, 0735, 0755, 0820, 0850 (then every 20 mins)
So same number of journeys, but the first few of the day are quite a bit earlier. First full X21 is a full 15 minutes earlier from Newbiggin and is accommodated by the 0601/21/41 moving to an 0610 and 0635. First 3 X22s are 10 minutes earlier.
In terms of the 35 towards Morpeth in the morning peak, again compared to the last time it was every 20 mins:
New timetables: 0522 (from Ash), 0601 (from Moor Est), 0622, 0652, 0722, 0737, 0752, 0827, 0854 (35A from Spital), 0924, 0959 (35A from Spital)
Old timetables: 0522 (from Ash), 0601 (from Moor Est), 0627, 0647, 0707, 0727, 0747, 0807, 0832, 0857, 0917, 0937, 0957
Fair play for them trying the earlier services to give credit to them and seems there's been some thought into it. Guessing the 7am'ish runs are the busiest since they're all bunched up together must be every 8 min'ish roughly from Ashington I guess.
Similar with the changes with the 35, wonder if we might see more of it going foreward in having more runs in the mornings at the peaks and then going less frequent off peak which certainly makes sense from a cost point of view really rather than having a flat out service all day but buses carting fresh air between 10am - 4pm. I'm sure there's plenty other routes which similar could be done if they wanted, 43 and 46 in particular, maybe 55 aswell.
Got to give credit to whoever is doing the timetables lately there's been a bit of thought in them, which is unlike Arriva who especially around 2010 made some rather questionable decisions.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - RobinHood - 12 Aug 2021
(11 Aug 2021, 10:56 am)mb134 Edit: I think the 0834 you mention will run dead to the depot, so won't be picking anyone up and as such will only need to drop off passengers, same with the evening trips. It looks like there will still be one peak board too, whatever works that 0834 and the 1651/1714 evening trips.
It looks like (may be wrong) that the bus that runs these extra 35s drops into the X21 in the morning at Seacrest Road and runs off an X22 in Ashington Bus Station on an afternoon?
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - mb134 - 12 Aug 2021
(12 Aug 2021, 5:17 pm)RobinHood It looks like (may be wrong) that the bus that runs these extra 35s drops into the X21 in the morning at Seacrest Road and runs off an X22 in Ashington Bus Station on an afternoon?
I'd be inclined to agree, especially since the 0647 X20 doesn't seem to be coming back - this used to then run dead to Newbiggin to do the 0831 X21 to Newcastle.
Looking at the timetable: (https://api.arrivabus.co.uk/routes/services/NMS_AN_X21-NMS_AN_X22/210829-211108/X21-X22-Newcastle-to-Newbiggin-and-Ashington-from-29-Aug-2021.pdf)
There are 7 buses arriving in Newcastle before 8am, with only 6 departures (incl. the 0800). Assuming the 0753 arrival goes onto the 0800, and the 0808 goes onto the 0815 (with the subsequent ones then slowly falling into place), and that the 0738 arrival goes onto the 0745, it leaves both the 0713 and 0723 arrival to shift onto the 0725 departure. I'd be inclined to suggest one of these runs back dead to Ashington, likely to do the 0830 X21 which I can't see anything else running onto. The X30/scholars will likely run onto 0909 X22 as per before, which does leave that 35 to run onto the 0915 X21.
If you're correct, the board would be something like:
0737 35 to Morpeth
0834 35 to Newbiggin
0915 X21 to Newcastle
1045 X22 to Ashington
1149 X22 to Newcastle
1255 X21 to Newbiggin
1415 X21 to Newcastle
1550 X22 to Ashington
1651 35 to Morpeth
1714 35 to Newbiggin
I imagine the earlier journeys are likely to get buses back to the northern end of the route in time to do the next trip, which wouldn't have been possible beforehand without an additional vehicle.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 13 Aug 2021
Had a look on bustimes. 308 is going back to 15 minute frequency Mon-Fri but will remain every 20 minutes on Saturdays.
Evening frequency still every 60 minutes.
On a side note, don't know if it's the £1 fare or the timings but the 20:20 309 ex Newcastle seemed to pick up more passengers than the 20:12 308 ex Newcastle (which was also running 4 mins late).
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Driver9*** - 14 Aug 2021
(13 Aug 2021, 10:13 pm)L469 YVK Had a look on bustimes. 308 is going back to 15 minute frequency Mon-Fri but will remain every 20 minutes on Saturdays.Arriva will adjust their fares to match imo.
Evening frequency still every 60 minutes.
On a side note, don't know if it's the £1 fare or the timings but the 20:20 309 ex Newcastle seemed to pick up more passengers than the 20:12 308 ex Newcastle (which was also running 4 mins late).
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 14 Aug 2021
(14 Aug 2021, 12:28 pm)Driver9*** Arriva will adjust their fares to match imo.IMO, Arriva would be better dropping the 306 & 308 to a 20 minute service each and axing the Tynemouth to W.Bay section of 306 as well as Battle Hill Drive (both running past Holy Cross).
Then 'if' there's significant demand for the 308 between Blyth & Billy Mill for journeys towards Newcastle that a 20 minute frequency isn't sufficient, introduce a parallel X38 calling at all stops between Blyth & Billy Mill then only Norham Road and perhaps Willington Square then Newcastle City Centre.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 15 Aug 2021
(14 Aug 2021, 12:28 pm)Driver9*** Arriva will adjust their fares to match imo.Had a look. Arriva are doing £1 evening fares but doesn't appear to be in the North East unless I'm mistaken.
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/floating-pages/%C2%A31-evening-single-tickets
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - RobinHood - 15 Aug 2021
(15 Aug 2021, 1:44 pm)L469 YVK Had a look. Arriva are doing £1 evening fares but doesn't appear to be in the North East unless I'm mistaken.
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/floating-pages/%C2%A31-evening-single-tickets
Arriva do them in Darlington and Stockton and have done since 2017, so it isn't really a new thing.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Train8261 - 16 Aug 2021
Arriva have some odd things on bus times (might be a problem on there end)
But if you go to the withdrawal section. There's some services up for withdrawn on the 26th
https://bustimes.org/licences/PB0002032
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 16 Aug 2021
(16 Aug 2021, 9:17 am)Train8261 Arriva have some odd things on bus times (might be a problem on there end)
But if you go to the withdrawal section. There's some services up for withdrawn on the 26th
https://bustimes.org/licences/PB0002032
Just had a look through, the X85, X6 (not X9) and X16 are permantely withdrawn. The X16 (Kirkhall bit) is being merged into the 2 as one bus route straight through.
The X21/X22, 51/51A, 306/308 registrations are all being merged together respectively (it's what the merging with 150 etc is about).
Rest is timetable changes and routes staying the same (nothing might actually happen to some of them though since they've got end dates of the 01/10/2021 for all the COVID timetables so they need refreshed).
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Train8261 - 16 Aug 2021
What's the one about the 51A in the Withdrawal section as it says this on details
Cancelled and merged into 458
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 16 Aug 2021
(16 Aug 2021, 10:29 am)Train8261 What's the one about the 51A in the Withdrawal section as it says this on details
Cancelled and merged into 458
It's just merging the registration with the 51. The 458 is the registration code for the 51. Must admit I was a bit stumped at first haha.
159 is the X21, 450 is the 308 which are the other 2 (X22 / 306)
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Train8261 - 16 Aug 2021
Ah I understand