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RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 21 Sep 2017
(21 Sep 2017, 2:55 pm)omnicity4659 I just find it amusing that they're still running non-profit making extensions/services yet cut the journeys that make profit.
35s to Woodhorn, 64s to High Pittington, 52s to Ashington/Newbiggin etc...
The only reason I could see ANE withdrawing the late 308 for is becuase they'll be able to close Blyth depot at 12:15am or 12:30am instead of 12:45am or 1am saving 1/2 an hours pay for the shunters and engineers with it being the only service that comes in late after 12:30am.
Can understand them withdrawing it on a Mon-Thur + Sun but it's absolutely disgusting that they're withdrawing the Friday and Saturday night journeys. I've been on 3x Friday night journeys (only 1x on a NUFC match night unless England playing Australia at the Stadium of S**te also counts) and all had at least 15-20 passengers on and on the night of the England match despite the bus not veing full, me and the old man had to go upstairs for a decent seat!
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Ambassador - 21 Sep 2017
end of the day...if a service is making a profit it won't be withdrawn.
Odd observations are fine but there's obviously not a commercially viable level of demand for a service at 23.40.
Much like the 21 used to run 24/7 and GNE culled it to weekend night buses.
commercial profit driven businesses do not axe profitable routes. Simple.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Cock Robin - 22 Sep 2017
(21 Sep 2017, 10:36 pm)Ambassador end of the day...if a service is making a profit it won't be withdrawn.
Odd observations are fine but there's obviously not a commercially viable level of demand for a service at 23.40.
Much like the 21 used to run 24/7 and GNE culled it to weekend night buses.
commercial profit driven businesses do not axe profitable routes. Simple.
Yes they do. as L469YVK stated above, the journey might be making a profit but the are axing it in order to shut the depot earlier and save on depot staff wages.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 22 Sep 2017
(21 Sep 2017, 10:36 pm)Ambassador end of the day...if a service is making a profit it won't be withdrawn.
Odd observations are fine but there's obviously not a commercially viable level of demand for a service at 23.40.
Much like the 21 used to run 24/7 and GNE culled it to weekend night buses.
commercial profit driven businesses do not axe profitable routes. Simple.
But for many many years, the 308 has always had a bus after 11.30pm and GNE before 2008 would (I think) run the last one between Newcastle and Whitley Bay. From what I can see on the changes too looking at the outbound journey, the 10.40pm journey is being withdrawn on Sunday nights leaving an hourly service after 10pm. Now that is a sensible decision as not many people use the bus on a Sunday night even if it did make money. But Arriva withdrawing the 11.40pm service even on a Fri/Sat night is wrong.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Andreos1 - 22 Sep 2017
(22 Sep 2017, 3:34 pm)L469 YVK But for many many years, the 308 has always had a bus after 11.30pm and GNE before 2008 would (I think) run the last one between Newcastle and Whitley Bay. From what I can see on the changes too looking at the outbound journey, the 10.40pm journey is being withdrawn on Sunday nights leaving an hourly service after 10pm. Now that is a sensible decision as not many people use the bus on a Sunday night even if it did make money. But Arriva withdrawing the 11.40pm service even on a Fri/Sat night is wrong.
Are they saving more money by not operating it (and the service TO Newcastle) and closing the depot for the night, than they are making, running it and keeping the depot open for that half hour or so?
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 22 Sep 2017
(22 Sep 2017, 4:09 pm)Andreos1 Are they saving more money by not operating it (and the service TO Newcastle) and closing the depot for the night, than they are making, running it and keeping the depot open for that half hour or so?
Well going by a Friday and Saturday night, they would just about cover the costs without facing a big loss not incluidng all the money the 308 makes during the busy peak periods and are very busy that could subsidise the later service too!
At the end of the day, it's completely wrong that a service that has run for many years is being withdrawn! You're not talking about a route with fluctuating loads, you're talking about a route that is well used all times of the day (can often run late as a result and doesn't use 10x buses instead of 9x) and is probably only second behind the Angel in terms of passenger numbers and profit across the whole of the North East (excluding Busways services). This alone is enough to warrant a later service PLUS how much have Arriva saved in fuel since the B5LH's have went MAX meaning they can be used on the Blyth 'X' routes during evenings and Sundays when the full PVR isn't required?
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tyresmoke - 22 Sep 2017
(22 Sep 2017, 4:09 pm)Andreos1 Are they saving more money by not operating it (and the service TO Newcastle) and closing the depot for the night, than they are making, running it and keeping the depot open for that half hour or so?
I suspect that is going to be the answer. You've got an extra half hour (roughly?) of not only fuel & driver but your engineer, cleaners/shunters and other depot costs. If it's only really carrying two days a week that gives 4 days where it's running at a loss, probably quite significantly so!
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 04 Oct 2017
UPDATE: Have messaged Arriva about this and appears that the last 306 will instead be moved from 11.25pm to 11.40pm 7x days per week. Also, the 308 at 10.40pm from Newcastle (and 9.39pm from Blyth) will be withdrawn on Sundays too. Have checked this out on Traveline.
Appears it must be cheaper to keep the Jesmond depot open later than Blyth as buses from routes such as the 45/306/53 don't get back into the depot until late on anyways plus the new 11.40pm 306 will practially cover the 308 route betwen Newcastle and Billy Mill as well as potentially gaining an edge over GNE's last departure time of 11.15pm from Haymarket.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 06 Oct 2017
PB0002032/550 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Morpeth Bus Station to Morpeth County Hall
Service number: MFF (MFF)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 07 Oct 2017
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - omnicity4659 - 07 Oct 2017
Morpeth Food Festival park and ride.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 09 Oct 2017
PB0002032/551 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: St James to Longbenton
Service number: 900 (900)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 14 Oct 2017
PB0002717/341 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Bishop Auckland to Toft Hill
Service number: 86 (86)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2017
Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - cbma06 - 09 Oct 2017
(09 Oct 2017, 7:04 pm)Michael PB0002032/551 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: St James to Longbenton
Service number: 900 (900)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 14 Oct 2017
PB0002717/341 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Bishop Auckland to Toft Hill
Service number: 86 (86)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Oct 2017
So Arriva taking on the 86 commercially?
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RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 09 Oct 2017
(09 Oct 2017, 7:21 pm)cbma06 So Arriva taking on the 86 commercially?
As far as I am aware, it's still going to be Go North East operating the evening supported runs, so likely to be Arriva removing these journeys from their timetable.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Dan - 10 Oct 2017
(09 Oct 2017, 7:51 pm)Jimmi As far as I am aware, it's still going to be Go North East operating the evening supported runs, so likely to be Arriva removing these journeys from their timetable.
I would imagine Jimmi is correct - Go North East are definitely still doing the 86 on an evening.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - omnicity4659 - 10 Oct 2017
Changes to stopping places in Ashington Town Centre, from Monday 16th October, affecting services 1, X20, X21, X22, 35, 52, 57.
http://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?tid=1456&pid=208089#pid208089
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Kuyoyo - 13 Oct 2017
Yarm Fair next weekend - divisions for 7/7a and 17/X17
http://www.connectteesvalley.com/data/travelalerts/S17-38_(Yarm_Fair_Service_Changes).pdf
Understand this year's loans to cover the increased minibus requirements (considering last year the depot had 1 extra Solo) should be at least 1 of Darlington's 'Frequenta' Solos
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tcts24 - 17 Oct 2017
I'm loving the way Arriva expect us to read the new timetables sideways
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/north-east/updates/service-changes-darlington-countydurham-sunday-29th-october-2017/
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Dan - 17 Oct 2017
(17 Oct 2017, 4:24 pm)tcts24 I'm loving the way Arriva expect us to read the new timetables sideways
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/north-east/updates/service-changes-darlington-countydurham-sunday-29th-october-2017/
Easy enough to rotate a PDF on most modern day smartphones and browsers.
I notice the 86 timetable shows that service 23 does not run on Sundays and Public Holidays - bit of a typo!
Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - cbma06 - 17 Oct 2017
(17 Oct 2017, 4:24 pm)tcts24 I'm loving the way Arriva expect us to read the new timetables sideways
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/north-east/updates/service-changes-darlington-countydurham-sunday-29th-october-2017/
On Arriva site it states that:
We are extending our Durham District fares zone to include Ferryhill, Chilton, Rushyford, Redworth, Sedgefield, Thornley, Wheatley Hill, Trimdon Village, Deaf Hill, Shadforth and Ludworth. This means big savings for customers in these places travelling wholly within the Durham District zone. For example, the price of a one-day ticket from Ferryhill to Durham will reduce from £7 to £6.50, while the cost of a weekly ticket will come down from £25 to £18.20.
At the same time, we are expanding our Peterlee zone to cover Haswell (Village and Plough), while the Bishop Auckland zone will extend to Redworth.
It's a shame that Wheatley hill is not part of the east Durham network .
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RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Andreos1 - 17 Oct 2017
(17 Oct 2017, 6:25 pm)cbma06 On Arriva site it states that:
We are extending our Durham District fares zone to include Ferryhill, Chilton, Rushyford, Redworth, Sedgefield, Thornley, Wheatley Hill, Trimdon Village, Deaf Hill, Shadforth and Ludworth. This means big savings for customers in these places travelling wholly within the Durham District zone. For example, the price of a one-day ticket from Ferryhill to Durham will reduce from £7 to £6.50, while the cost of a weekly ticket will come down from £25 to £18.20.
At the same time, we are expanding our Peterlee zone to cover Haswell (Village and Plough), while the Bishop Auckland zone will extend to Redworth.
It's a shame that Wheatley hill is not part of the east Durham network .
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From a customer point of view, the extension of the zones and subsequent decrease in price is to be applauded.
Particularly as competition is virtually non-existent in a number of those areas.