(21 May 2023, 1:18 pm)Michael Ye its a odd change, unless info is missing from VOSA?

Also leaves Pallion shops (in front of them) with only the 18 and 99.. which have rubbish timetables, I doubt old people would want to walk extra.

(21 May 2023, 1:33 pm)Economic505 As I mentioned other week, Essen Way and Tunstall Road will no longer have a bus service.

(21 May 2023, 1:52 pm)cbma06 Unless stagecoach are waiting to see if nexus funds a replacement either re routing a section of secured service 99 to cover tunstall road to replace the 12 section where the 99 doesn’t cover, GNE could always bring back the 38 using solo 664 and repaint back in , wonder if stagecoach looking to see if the taxpayer/nexus to cough up for the 11 to go back along pallion new road


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(21 May 2023, 1:33 pm)Economic505 As I mentioned other week, Essen Way and Tunstall Road will no longer have a bus service.

(21 May 2023, 2:53 pm)ifm001 The 11 was rerouted quite a few years back that direction also.

Petition at time by Gala Bingo assisted in the route being brought back. Can't see the bingo having enough clout customer wise now to warrant a say,,,,or another petition.

(21 May 2023, 7:44 pm)idiot Quick question.. East Cleveland 1&2 on twitter saying delayed due to TC. What routes are these? Had a look on the website and couldn't find anything.

(22 May 2023, 12:03 am)Acky81 Why not just keep the 12 and have it every 30 mins. Axing it makes no sense. A lot of school kids use it for st aidens! 
I understand dropping the 3 from gilley law as there’s enough buses with the 13
Makes no sense dropping the 3 from plains farm for the 4 instead. What’s the reason behind this?? Gonna make the journey from Doxford to town ever lasting!!!
99 is waste of fuel would make sense for the 38 to return or the 61a to run all day by go north east

(21 May 2023, 1:18 pm)Michael Ye its a odd change, unless info is missing from VOSA?

Also leaves Pallion shops (in front of them) with only the 18 and 99.. which have rubbish timetables, I doubt old people would want to walk extra.

(22 May 2023, 5:00 am)Dan The swap of the 3 and 4 in Plains Farm will purely be a decision to allow a PVR reduction - I’d imagine the 4 has slack in its timetable whereas the 3 will be tightened up with the move to a 15 min frequency (currently 1hr 36m round trip, likely to move to 1hr 30m on new 15 min frequency), hence saving a PVR.

The Plains Farm diversion probably feels worse than it actually is - the 3 is timed to take 4 mins between the Prospect and the bottom of Grindon Lane, whereas the 4 is timed take 1 (ie difference of 3 mins).

All in all, I’d say these are a fairly sensible set of changes, considering the post-Covid recovery of the network in Sunderland and the need to generate revenue or cut costs by £millions to fund the recent (inflated) pay award for their staff.


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(22 May 2023, 5:51 pm)54APhotography This was always going to happen, problem is people won't be able to get to B&Q or Morrisons by one bus. 18/99 for top end, 8 for B&Q

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(22 May 2023, 6:12 pm)Michael Aye, its going to be a right clart on, I bet the local councillor will say something, not like the company will care..........

(22 May 2023, 6:31 pm)Storx Personally I don't see the issues with the 10/11. Least now people from Hendon and Pennywell on the 11 route get a direct bus to the Royal Hospital rather than a bulky good stores and a retail park next to the least used Metro station. I'm not sure why anyone would want to go on a bus to B&Q unless they're bored and randomly like browsing DIY stores as you literally couldn't buy anything. The rest of it is a 5 minute walk from the end of Hylton Road.

There's literally nothing else of note along there and the hourly 18 is more than enough.

(22 May 2023, 7:06 pm)Michael Apart from the 18 timetable is horrendous?

https://bustimes.org/services/18-sunderland-grangetown-or-gilley-law?date=2023-05-22&service=47176


Towards Seaburn:

07:35
08:55 (18A)
10:01
11:01
12:01
13:01
14:01
15:34 (18A)  - last service to do the full route.
17:12/18:25 both go from Gilley Law to the Prospect only!


Towards Grindon:


07:36 (18A)
09:09
10:08
11:08
12:08
13:08
14:08 (18A)
16:48
18:02
19:09 (finishes at Pallion)

(22 May 2023, 7:26 pm)Storx There's literally nothing there though other than the bingo hall which isn't already served by the Metro station. I understand the very rare person might want to go to the retail park but I can't see it, not to warrant a 15 minute bus service anyway.

The whole area around there is pretty much wasteland. Should there be more cross river links for Sunderland, other than just the poor 18 - yeah but that's another debate really.

(22 May 2023, 7:33 pm)Michael That's true, I'm surprised the Bingo is still open tbh, I agree, it doesn't warrant a 15 min service but I still think there should some sort of link to that area, even if its hourly.. to keep the once a week passengers happy...........................


I do wonder if the 99 will be kept due the changes and extended elsewhere.

(22 May 2023, 7:41 pm)Storx Yeah agreed.

Like if we didn't have 'turf wars' then I always think sending the 35 across the river would be better, something like and just split it:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.9047437,-1.3874349/54.9496204,-1.4626907/@54.9174104,-1.4220469,10145m/data=!3m2!1e3!5s0x4879b7a30657a95d:0xfdcde5e6fa7fe8c7!4m49!4m48!1m45!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4043369!2d54.9014856!3s0x487e642931f1eddb:0xd0073b6897159ea9!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4130329!2d54.9042418!3s0x487e643217b6c389:0x443d385c5647e632!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4109994!2d54.9181589!3s0x487e65d03a25b921:0xa1a564d9d879199c!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4392456!2d54.9169606!3s0x487e65b02c95eb55:0x8d56823ca8b6504a!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4505464!2d54.9133553!3s0x487e65aa24c8e8c7:0xd3812caee6aae17e!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4500111!2d54.923146!3s0x487e65a71c25ee3b:0xc152376388b0dbdc!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4592317!2d54.9281593!3s0x487e650b72dec7ed:0xd53cb5c30c08ad0!3m4!1m2!1d-1.460391!2d54.9474176!3s0x487e657eb3e565a3:0x514b643156129a58!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4694543!2d54.9556241!3s0x487e6f888f059057:0xe0f7aa196c13d913!1m0!3e0

Would make the 99 route actually useful and link unique places on the 35 rather than it being a long winded 3/4 for Town End Farm etc.

The 8 then could do the 35 bus route by the Stadium of Light and give a direct Southwark / Stadium of Light to Washington, CLS, Stanley connection.

It's bonkers that there isn't a bus from Washington to the SOL imo. Obviously never happen under the current system though.