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RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 5:32 pm)Dan I often wonder whether Bridget Phillipson is a bus user herself. I know a number of members of this forum support and share her views, but I cannot help but feel that this attack is completely unnecessary and the points she has made are largely exaggerated. I have previously said that I personally feel The Chronicle regularly (unnecessarily) portrays bus operators in a bad light, so it comes as no surprise that they have supported Bridget by publishing this article. It is, silly story and i notice she hasn't criticized NEXUS for not changing the timetables at the bus stops... i wonder why........... RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Dan - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 5:26 pm)Michael I agree she does but when does she ever get the bus?, does she know the profits on each service? Probably not! I would be interested to know if Bridget actually attended the customer consultation for these service changes... Maybe Go North East could have defended their wishes to change services and improve her understanding - especially given that a number of these changes were implemented following passenger requests... RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 5:35 pm)Jimmi Well of course there is going to be 80 less journeys a day if there is a frequency decrease, Duh! Lmao, its not end of the world is it, what about who have to get 2 buses everyday, iv'e just said it on a different post... its not like Sunderland Hospital is not well bus routed... most services which run that way run every 10 or 15 minutes... with a bus every 5 or so minutes RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - gtom - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 3:14 pm)Andreos1 Is that to do with road/traffic management issues? Yeah, they have serious concerns around peak timing with the main issue being around school children. On a secondary note there's a public meeting about the new school in Birtley on Monday which will be sited off Blackfell Way supporting the idea of sending a bus up there really RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 5:32 pm)Dan The Chronicle regularly (unnecessarily) portrays bus operators in a bad light, so it comes as no surprise that they have supported Bridget by publishing this article. I remember when there was lots of people getting hit by buses in Newcastle "20 ODD PEOPLE INJURED BY EVIL LARGE STINKING BUSES IN NEWCASTLE!!!" yeah who's to say that all these incidents were because of the buses themselves and not just people stepping in traffic without looking. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 5:37 pm)Dan Probably not! I would be interested to know if Bridget actually attended the customer consultation for these service changes... Maybe Go North East could have defended their wishes to change services and improve her understanding - especially given that a number of these changes were implemented following passenger requests... She won't have, she wouldn't of being bothered, its not like it effects her, she'll have a nice car and that! I like the new 35/36 route, but only Malarky would do it from Town end farm to Chester-le-street! haha RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tyresmoke - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 5:39 pm)Jimmi I remember when there was lots of people getting hit by buses in Newcastle "20 ODD PEOPLE INJURED BY EVIL LARGE STINKING BUSES IN NEWCASTLE!!!" yeah who's to say that all these incidents were because of the buses themselves and not just people stepping in traffic without looking. Something which we've had to deal with multiple times in Stockton over the last few months, upto 5 incidents at present! People need to realise that streamlining of services is the way forward - 4 hourly variations are harder to market & understand than a 15 min frequency on a single route, and people find them easier to use. Unfortunately what they don't realise is that this means communities effectively get cut off. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 5:42 pm)tyresmoke Something which we've had to deal with multiple times in Stockton over the last few months, upto 5 incidents at present! Even as an bus enthusiast i sometimes found it hard to follow the routes of the 35/35A/35B/35C.... tbh, changing them to 35/35A/36.. is much better! RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Andreos1 - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 5:39 pm)gtom Yeah, they have serious concerns around peak timing with the main issue being around school children. Not surprised at the first point at all, having mentioned it previously in relation to Ravensworth Terrace school. Obviously, you have Lord Lawson in the area too. Do you have any further details on the meeting? RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - gtom - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 5:50 pm)Andreos1 Not surprised at the first point at all, having mentioned it previously in relation to Ravensworth Terrace school. Obviously, you have Lord Lawson in the area too. This Monday. 2-6.30 at the current Ravensworth terrace RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - MurdnunoC - 30 Jan 2015 Managing director of Go North East Kevin Carr, said the changes were introduced after a consultation with Nexus and customers. Come on then, lets see who bites. Are GNE the number one bus operator in Sunderland like Kevin Carr claims? Or would that be Stagecoach? RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Dan - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 6:10 pm)MurdnunoC Come on then, lets see who bites. I think the real answer is: it depends. My initial reaction to the statement was that I personally disagree, as I consider Stagecoach to be the principal bus operator in Sunderland. This is mainly due to the fact I live in Monkwearmouth and I am served by a large number of Stagecoach services. That said, what forms our judgement on which bus operator is the best in Sunderland? Go North East are the only bus operator in Sunderland to have buses equipped with both Wi-Fi and power sockets - does this make them the 'number one bus operator in Sunderland'? RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - MurdnunoC - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 6:12 pm)Dan I think the real answer is: it depends. I suppose it would depend on how 'Sunderland' is defined for one - is it the city or the wider area - but, arguably, it seems that Mr Carr enjoys hyperbole just as much as The Chronicle does. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - citaro5284 - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 6:10 pm)MurdnunoC Come on then, lets see who bites. I think on buses based within Sunderland, GNE have more RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Dan - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 6:16 pm)citaro5284 I think on buses based within Sunderland, GNE have more On this basis, I'd agree that Go North East was the 'number one bus operator in Sunderland'. As I said before, it depends how you define it. Go North East has a fleet of 131 buses based at Deptford, whereas Stagecoach only houses 98 at the Wheatsheaf (including two buses for disposal, two Olympians limited to Park & Ride duties, two active reserves and two training vehicles.) RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - MurdnunoC - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 6:16 pm)citaro5284 I think on buses based within Sunderland, GNE have more But does 'having more buses' necessarily equate to being the number one bus operator? Surely customers decide that based on ridership? You can have all the buses in the world operating in Sunderland, however if nobody is using them... RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Andreos1 - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 5:42 pm)tyresmoke Something which we've had to deal with multiple times in Stockton over the last few months, upto 5 incidents at present!Couldn't agree more, however operators need to realise that cutting communities off, forcing them into changes to get to school, their GP or hospital - will result in the stories like this, where they will get stick and they will get flack. Particularly, when profit/competition is the motivating factor in the changes. (30 Jan 2015, 6:14 pm)MurdnunoC I suppose it would depend on how 'Sunderland' is defined for one - is it the city or the wider area - but, arguably, it seems that Mr Carr enjoys hyperbole just as much as The Chronicle does.Got to take the rough with the smooth. If the paper can be used as a PR machine or the website used for advertisements, then in a democracy, the operator has to take the flak. I wonder if number one is in relation to bus routes, vehicles, passenger numbers, profit, satisfaction rates or the size of a bus depot. It could be anything. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - S813 FVK - 30 Jan 2015 I don't think anybody has a right to complain about the recent service changes. Go North East held that consultation in Park Lane long before the changes were made and if they couldn't make it, they could have used their brains and contacted them in a different way such as through email or phone. The public were given plenty of opportunity to give their opinions and plenty of notice of the changes so i don't think it should be taken as a surprise by anybody. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Andreos1 - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 6:33 pm)Robert I don't think anybody has a right to complain about the recent service changes. Go North East held that consultation in Park Lane long before the changes were made and if they couldn't make it, they could have used their brains and contacted them in a different way such as through email or phone. The public were given plenty of opportunity to give their opinions and plenty of notice of the changes so i don't think it should be taken as a surprise by anybody. We can all remember the consultation, where representatives turned up late and were there once, questioning passengers who happened to be in the area over the several hours they were there. Passengers on other parts of the routes, going in different directions or getting off prior to Park Lane weren't asked. Passengers who couldn't get to the event, were unable to find out about the changes when they asked the operator via email or social media. Passengers were unable to voice their concerns to the changes, as they had no idea what the changes were, (unless they were a member on here) until the announcements informed us all they were happening. RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - stagecoachbusdepot - 30 Jan 2015 (30 Jan 2015, 5:28 pm)Michael I'm gonna try and go back and find out what routes we've had for the 35. There's been 7 versions of the 35 series timetable since 2011 - so presumably the routes have changed up to 7 times since 2011 - which is still bonkers. |