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RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - Big O - 02 Mar 2020
(29 Feb 2020, 3:12 pm)Malarkey 51 Alexander Enviro 200MMC's 10.8m or BYD Enviro 200's to replace all of the MAN 14.240 LF Enviro 200's across various depots.How much do you want fares to go up by?
30 Alexander Enviro 200MMC's 11.5m to replace all remaining MAN Alexander ALX300's/Scania K270UB Omnilinks on the X24/MAN Enviro 300's on the 100
40 Scania N280UD Alexander Dennis Enviro 400 CNG or BYD Enviro 400 City's for E1/E2/E6 & X34 & Peak Journey's on Services 3/12/13/16 & 20 to give extra capacity releasing (20) Scania K270UB Enviro 300's on to Sunderland based services 4/23 which would then release the 63 reg Enviro 200's to be reallocated to Slatyford for the 10/11/71/72 with Euro 6 upgrade.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - V514DFT - 03 Mar 2020
'Can i have a day ticket please', 'yes,that'll be 1 gold block'
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - col87 - 19 Apr 2020
I think the best we can see happening in North East this year ( depending on how long covid 19 lasts ) is a few second hand buses coming from other depos to replace some of the 08 39 series enviros Hartlepool have which are getting more unreliable as time goes on. Newcastle might get a couple of more deckers but see any more brand new buses coming to the north east anytime soon.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - S830OFT - 20 Apr 2020
Would be nice to get some Optare Solos for Hartlepool on their town services as they don't seem to justify large buses on their frequency. As for service 1 they can always retain some of the 360 batch...
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - beefcake - 21 Apr 2020
For most of the day the 3 and 3A could probably get away with solos, probably with the exception of the runs that extend to Clavering as its the only route that goes past or close to every secondary school in the town. Putting them on the 6 would cause capacity issues on the southern section of the route as between the town and Owton Manor, passengers jump on either the 6 or 36 whichever turns up first. Personally I'd say the midibus fleet works well in town
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - col87 - 26 Apr 2020
(20 Apr 2020, 11:10 pm)S830OFT Would be nice to get some Optare Solos for Hartlepool on their town services as they don't seem to justify large buses on their frequency. As for service 1 they can always retain some of the 360 batch...I completely disagree I often see the 7 near full during the day and that just from Headland to the town. If anything there are times when full size buses are needed again. The 360 batch are to small for the 1 it often gets full before leaving Middlesbrough and from Hartlepool Cente. The 3 on a morning same story it gets full by the time it gets to the Catholic club so solos definitely do not help. The only times solo will be justified are on the evening services and if they decide to add some shorter routes again. Solo will just mean buses getting full to quickly for the majority of daytime services and leaving people stuck at the stop. Some enviro 300 and double decks for the busiest times though then I would definitely agree
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - deanmachine - 27 Apr 2020
(21 Apr 2020, 5:51 am)beefcake For most of the day the 3 and 3A could probably get away with solos, probably with the exception of the runs that extend to Clavering as its the only route that goes past or close to every secondary school in the town. Putting them on the 6 would cause capacity issues on the southern section of the route as between the town and Owton Manor, passengers jump on either the 6 or 36 whichever turns up first. Personally I'd say the midibus fleet works well in town
The Solos used by operators in the North East (GNE's latest ones especially) are only a few seats shy off the E200s ran by Hartlepool. 29 vs 34 I think.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - toward6931 - 04 Feb 2021
with COVID ongoing and stagecoach barely making any money this past 12 months compared to other years, i cant imagine seeing too many new buses especially after the batch of 23 (correct me if im wrong) MMCs. with the clean air zone due to be implemented later this year i imagine it would make financial sense for SCNE to try and acquire cleaner vehicles. anyone think we are likely to see cascades from other regions?
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - Michael - 04 Feb 2021
(04 Feb 2021, 5:58 pm)toward6931 with COVID ongoing and stagecoach barely making any money this past 12 months compared to other years, i cant imagine seeing too many new buses especially after the batch of 23 (correct me if im wrong) MMCs. with the clean air zone due to be implemented later this year i imagine it would make financial sense for SCNE to try and acquire cleaner vehicles. anyone think we are likely to see cascades from other regions?
Its not happening this year due to Covid.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - toward6931 - 04 Feb 2021
(04 Feb 2021, 6:07 pm)Michael Its not happening this year due to Covid.Delay to clean air zone plans confirmed | Newcastle City Council I've read that it is happening this year just later than planned
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - AIG20 - 04 Feb 2021
(04 Feb 2021, 7:06 pm)toward6931 Delay to clean air zone plans confirmed | Newcastle City Council I've read that it is happening this year just later than planned
If no new vehicles are ordered and delivered before the CAZ comes into effect, vehicles will probably be swapped around instead. Apparently, Sunderland ADL E300s 27726-40 are now Euro 6 so these could be swapped with MAN ALX300s.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - Economic505 - 04 Feb 2021
Moving vehicles shouldn’t be an option. Does that mean Gateshead, NT, ST and S’land have to breathe bad air?
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - deanmachine - 04 Feb 2021
(04 Feb 2021, 9:21 pm)Economic505 Moving vehicles shouldn’t be an option. Does that mean Gateshead, NT, ST and S’land have to breathe bad air?
That is the unfortunate side effect of these clean air zones. A company that doesn't have a lot of money to spend on new vehicles, they're just going to get Euro 6 buses from elsewhere in the region. Stagecoach have already taken a few newer buses from other areas for Newcastle already, whilst South Shields and Sunderland are left with those awful smoking MAN E200s.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - Michael - 04 Feb 2021
(04 Feb 2021, 8:49 pm)AIG20 If no new vehicles are ordered and delivered before the CAZ comes into effect, vehicles will probably be swapped around instead. Apparently, Sunderland ADL E300s 27726-40 are now Euro 6 so these could be swapped with MAN ALX300s.
I thought some of they were upgraded to Euro 6 with the rest following later.
Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - Dan - 04 Feb 2021
(04 Feb 2021, 8:49 pm)AIG20 If no new vehicles are ordered and delivered before the CAZ comes into effect, vehicles will probably be swapped around instead. Apparently, Sunderland ADL E300s 27726-40 are now Euro 6 so these could be swapped with MAN ALX300s.
South Tyneside Council funded those Euro 6 upgrades, I don’t think we’ll see those Enviro300s moved away from the E1/2/6 services for the next couple of years at least.
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RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - toward6931 - 04 Feb 2021
(04 Feb 2021, 8:49 pm)AIG20 If no new vehicles are ordered and delivered before the CAZ comes into effect, vehicles will probably be swapped around instead. Apparently, Sunderland ADL E300s 27726-40 are now Euro 6 so these could be swapped with MAN ALX300s.
surely if most of sunderlands fleet is the gas buses a handful of euro 6 E300s wont be missed if they swapped with ALX 300s
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - toward6931 - 04 Feb 2021
(04 Feb 2021, 9:52 pm)toward6931 surely if most of sunderlands fleet is the gas buses a handful of euro 6 E300s wont be missed if they swapped with ALX 300s
or not forgetting stockton depot, it has plenty of withdrawn kinetics which could be canabalised if ALX 300s are moved there allowing either the E300S or MMCs to be moved to newcastle
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - Coastliner700 - 05 Feb 2021
(29 Feb 2020, 3:12 pm)Malarkey Enviro 200s wouldn’t be suitable for 10/11 it’s very busy service. Would probably struggle on 71. As far as I’m aware 72 is usually E200 most of time.
51 Alexander Enviro 200MMC's 10.8m or BYD Enviro 200's to replace all of the MAN 14.240 LF Enviro 200's across various depots.
30 Alexander Enviro 200MMC's 11.5m to replace all remaining MAN Alexander ALX300's/Scania K270UB Omnilinks on the X24/MAN Enviro 300's on the 100
40 Scania N280UD Alexander Dennis Enviro 400 CNG or BYD Enviro 400 City's for E1/E2/E6 & X34 & Peak Journey's on Services 3/12/13/16 & 20 to give extra capacity releasing (20) Scania K270UB Enviro 300's on to Sunderland based services 4/23 which would then release the 63 reg Enviro 200's to be reallocated to Slatyford for the 10/11/71/72 with Euro 6 upgrade.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - toward6931 - 05 Feb 2021
at risk of playing fantasy fleets i cant imagine many if not any at all new vehicles. hopefully with Manchester gaining new electric 400 city's SNE could gain around 24 either 2012/2013 hybrid examples from there bringing the north east total to 50 ish it would allow the following to happen.
1. the first 4 at walkergate could allow for the 4 hired in decker's to either go off lease or split them in two pairs to Sunderland and slatyford for their school services.
2. the second batch of ten would be enough to release the ten (correct me if I'm wrong) 2007 registered E400s.
3. and then the final ten could allow a cascade of 5 vehicles each from walkergate to slatyford and Sunderland to alleviate a shortage of decker's at these depots.
at slatyford it could release 3 or 4 ALX300s to Stockton in turn allowing euro 6 E300s to move to Newcastle therefore releasing more ALX300s to Stockton. so hypothetically out of 5 2008 registered E400s. one could be used as a spare vehicle and up to 4 non euro 6 single decks to elsewhere
the 5 at Sunderland could be used to provide more spares for use on X34 and the E services which sound like they could do with a couple of decker's at times. so out of 5 2008 registered 400s they could release 5 single decks to elsewhere.
if Stockton is being used as a storage yard for the likes of kinetics and withdrawn ALX300s it would make sense that all ALX300s move here to release euro 6 buses to Newcastle and all the withdrawn buses could be used for the cannibalizations of parts to keep active buses going until the can be replaced
RE: Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions - Dan - 05 Feb 2021
(05 Feb 2021, 7:38 pm)toward6931 at risk of playing fantasy fleets i cant imagine many if not any at all new vehicles. hopefully with Manchester gaining new electric 400 city's SNE could gain around 24 either 2012/2013 hybrid examples from there bringing the north east total to 50 ish it would allow the following to happen.
Not sure there'd be a huge benefit to doing that - those Hybrid E400s wouldn't meet the criteria set out by the proposed Clean Air Zone, as things stand.
I understand both Go North East and Stagecoach are lobbying so that they would be, but that has not been confirmed yet.