(15 Jan 2017, 5:41 pm)Michael Ah right, hopefully not.

Would like to see Citaro's back on the 61 though.

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Working it out, Deptford might end up with 3 overall spares, the one from the See it Do it brand and two from the 9, which would allow X5, 35/36 and 61 to have 3 spare Citaro's.

5337/5338 would go to Riverside.


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Citaro's from the Blaydon Racers would go to the Green Arrow 

Riverside would have a overall 4 spares for the Green Arrow, Citylink and Crusader.


Just speculation on the Blaydon Racers though. 

(15 Jan 2017, 5:47 pm)S813 FVK I am going to guess that 5452 will be the Riverside spare? If it is for Stanley, that would leave 10 Streetlites - all of which would be branded for Blaydon Racers without a dedicated spare.

(15 Jan 2017, 5:53 pm)Andreos1 I think it would be shortsighted for an LA to fund modifications that are meant to benefit the residents and taxpayers of the area, but not see the full benefits of the mods.

Whereas another LA could benefit, without paying a penny.

Suppose that's what happens when you mix public and private funds.

I am sure whatever was in any agreement will be adhered to.

Without checking news reports from the time and doing digging, I can't remember how long ago the mods were made.

(15 Jan 2017, 5:58 pm)Michael Be about 3-4 years now at a guess, unless time has gone so fast, it's longer.

(15 Jan 2017, 6:11 pm)Andreos1 Found the invitation to bid guidance documents.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/459424/clean-bus-technology-fund-guidance.pdf

Paragraph 2.4, page 9.

(15 Jan 2017, 6:17 pm)Michael Wait it was only 2015? =0


"Buses should be expected to be operational on the specified routes for at least five years. Buses may be moved to other localities within England (but not to those out of scope i.e. areas not designated Air Quality Management Areas as designated by the local or transport authority". 


So it looks like it has to be 5 years... wonder where they'll go then?

(15 Jan 2017, 5:53 pm)Andreos1 I think it would be shortsighted for an LA to fund modifications that are meant to benefit the residents and taxpayers of the area, but not see the full benefits of the mods.

Whereas another LA could benefit, without paying a penny.

Suppose that's what happens when you mix public and private funds.

I am sure whatever was in any agreement will be adhered to.

Without checking news reports from the time and doing digging, I can't remember how long ago the mods were made.

(15 Jan 2017, 6:17 pm)Michael Wait it was only 2015? =0


"Buses should be expected to be operational on the specified routes for at least five years. Buses may be moved to other localities within England (but not to those out of scope i.e. areas not designated Air Quality Management Areas as designated by the local or transport authority". 


So it looks like it has to be 5 years... wonder where they'll go then?

(15 Jan 2017, 6:33 pm)Andreos1 The original purple Solar's were done prior to this point. 
I haven't yet checked to see when the 521x series were done.

It's only an expectation according to the documents. Once the operator has been given the taxpayer funds, in theory they can do whatever they want with the vehicles. That could be a cascade somewhere else or indeed selling the (now potentially more valuable) vehicles on. Unless the LA stipulates something specfic in any agreements/contracts.

(15 Jan 2017, 6:40 pm)eezypeazy In theory, yes... but in reality...??? Here in the real world, we're getting considerable investment in Euro 6/LCEB buses, and cascades as a result. Surely it's a win-win?

(15 Jan 2017, 6:47 pm)Andreos1 How are the Cadets/Merits doing that were given mods?
You also failed to mention the funding which is given to operators of said new vehicles. How much is it a mile they get?

(16 Jan 2017, 9:36 am)eezypeazy Isn't it up to the government how they stimulate behaviour in any industry? What about all those buses that were bought in the 1960s using New Bus Grant to allow rear entrance buses to be withdrawn early so that one person operation could be introduced faster? That's what governments do.

And credit must go to the manufacturers for coming up with affordable Euro 6/LCEB vehicles.

(16 Jan 2017, 10:13 am)Andreos1
You didn't answer the questions eezypeazy. According to info on here, the Washington Cadets were given their mods in Jan 15 whilst based in Gateshead. Withdrawn Sept 16.

Is it 9p per km the MicroHybrids get in BSOG uplift?

Re Governments. Suppose it depends on what side of the fence you sit on, regarding specific Government involvment. Sticking with the bus industry, there was the domination by BET and Tilling that was disrupted by Government, there was the Grant you mentioned to speed up one-person operation, later on the push/encouragement to purchase nationalised Leyland vehicles, de-reg in 86, continued financial support in various guises like BSOG to the privatised industry and legislation that allows QCS in the regions.

I have no doubt there will be positives and negatives to each of those involvements - such as the number of manufacturers that ceased trading post-86 when orders for new vehicles dried up. Ditto the impact on operators if/when powers are devolved to LA's or PTE's.

(16 Jan 2017, 11:02 am)Michael 8246 has been withdrawn, this is due to a reduction in the amount of vehicles in the Driver Training fleet.

http://www.northeastbuses.co.uk/fleet/item.php?operatorF=2&fleetnoF=8246


Wonder how many more will be withdrawn?

(16 Jan 2017, 11:43 am)RBZ 5459 I'm under the impression that there are actually more vehicles to join the training fleet in the coming months, once new StreetLite cascades happen.
One of which could be imminent and possible replacement for said Cadet.

(14 Jan 2017, 1:11 pm)LivingOnGNE Does anyone know a exact or procise date for x5 citaro to come on?
Does anyone know a exact or procise date for x5 to come on citaros?

(16 Jan 2017, 11:25 am)eezypeazy Sorry, I'm not here just to answer the questions you raise - I'm here because I'm an enthusiast! Besides, you seem to have the answers at your fingertips anyway!

History would suggest that some government interventions are more successful than others. Some, such as nationalisation or interventions involving 'powers', seem to end in excessive public spending, higher fares, reduced services and poorly designed vehicles. Others, such as using a fuel tax rebate to influence manufacturers and operators for the benefit of the passenger, seem to end in vehicle and service improvements. 'Nudges' are sometimes all that's required.

(16 Jan 2017, 1:34 pm)Jamie M 5419 still at Chester - 28A at Gateshead to town now.

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