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RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - Dan - 26 Aug 2017 (26 Aug 2017, 7:30 am)mb134 I don't think this would be an issue. Stagecoach Bluebird and East Scotland both use Elite i's on intercity service work, serving bus stations with no real issue at all. I don't think Eldon Square Bus Station can be compared to many of the bus stations in East Scotland - I agree with the OP that large coaches serving Eldon Square would be a recipe for disaster. Peterlee should be alright, albeit a tight squeeze, as National Express services use this bus station. If ever there was a contest for the most badly designed bus station... RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - Dan - 26 Aug 2017 (25 Aug 2017, 11:52 pm)RBZ 5459 Services by such operators are not normal stage-carriage services or if they are, are more limited stop than the likes of X9/X10. Limited stop ones in particular will use a bus station, with a DDA coach only being able to use it's electric wheelchair lift at a select few bus stops safely, like bus stations. A low entrance vehicle like the new B8RLE Leopard would be the closest choice to a 'coach' with the current setup of the Tyne Tees Xpress services, or some other Interdecker like the Elite i, but that's quite an overkill and sizeable investment. The B8RLE Leopard would be great, but it simply doesn't have sufficient capacity for the X9/X10 (it only has 53 seats). That's before you take into consideration any growth which stems from the new vehicles entering service and the re-routing of the X10 through Dalton Park. One of the things being promoted is the fact that the new B5TLs have a marginally higher capacity than the current allocation - the extra few seats on the Volvo B5TLs are desirable at peak times. Providing Go North East doesn't leave it 'too late' before investing again, I don't think there's an issue with renewing the fleet of the X9/X10 every few years. That said, I don't think they'll be able to give it another 5 years with this vehicle allocation... RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - L469 YVK - 26 Aug 2017 What is the maximum length of vehicle that could be used on the X9/X10? RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - Jamie M - 26 Aug 2017 Given the prior discussion, I'd say anything that fits in Eldon Square Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - mb134 - 26 Aug 2017 (26 Aug 2017, 8:06 am)Dan I don't think Eldon Square Bus Station can be compared to many of the bus stations in East Scotland - I agree with the OP that large coaches serving Eldon Square would be a recipe for disaster. Peterlee should be alright, albeit a tight squeeze, as National Express services use this bus station. I agree that Eldon Square is not a well designed bus station in the slightest, though I assumed the steering rear axle of larger coaches would help massively when turning at the bottom of the bus station? I'm not at all sure how long the DAF coaches that Arriva used on the 685 were, but I can't imagine them being massively shorter? (26 Aug 2017, 8:10 am)Dan One of the things being promoted is the fact that the new B5TLs have a marginally higher capacity than the current allocation - the extra few seats on the Volvo B5TLs are desirable at peak times. I was surprised at how many seats there seem to be downstairs on the B5TLs, they seem to be slightly longer than the current B9TLs? I assume this longer length, and therefore additional overall capacity, allowed Go North East to improve the overall specification of the bus in terms of installing tables without reducing capacity from the current allocation? RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - BusLoverMum - 26 Aug 2017 (25 Aug 2017, 10:24 pm)Malarkey How many elderley and disabled people on a daily basis across the country use the likes of National Express, National Holidays, Megabus, JH Coaches, Oxford Tube, Greenline, Shearings which are all coach operated?Those are all long distance operators so hardly comparable. Some people using the x9 and X10 are only making 10-15 minute journeys. (26 Aug 2017, 8:06 am)Dan I don't think Eldon Square Bus Station can be compared to many of the bus stations in East Scotland - I agree with the OP that large coaches serving Eldon Square would be a recipe for disaster. Peterlee should be alright, albeit a tight squeeze, as National Express services use this bus station. ... Durham would win it hands down! RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - omnicity4659 - 26 Aug 2017 (26 Aug 2017, 9:13 am)mb134 I agree that Eldon Square is not a well designed bus station in the slightest, though I assumed the steering rear axle of larger coaches would help massively when turning at the bottom of the bus station? About the length of a StreetLite if this is anything to go by. As for installing tables, its just a case of flipping a set of seats around, with the combined legroom being used for a table. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - Michael - 26 Aug 2017 When is the first Citaro for the X84/X85 due back from Blackburn? Guessing the Citaro's which have a 10 reg go in to a spare role, this is how i can see them allocated: Current allocations: Blaydon Racer – 5275, 76, 78, 79, 82. Citylink 57 – 5277, 80, 81, 83, 93-97 X5 – 5285- 91 X84/X85/Tynedale – 5298-5303 35 – 5305-5309, 5325-27 27 – 5310-5322 5358 – 5368 – Connections 4 Current spares: 5283 – Riverside (12/12A) 5284 – Riverside (27) 5292 – Deptford (X5) 5323 – Riverside (57) 5324/37/38 – Washington (4, 50/50A) Extra spares after refurbishment: 5328/29/30 – Deptford – 35/X5 5531, 32, 33, 34 – Riverside – 12/12A/27/57 5304, 5335/5336 – Hexham – X84/X85/Tyndale Means at least every depot has extra spares for its Citaro’s routes, replacing Scania’s, basically I've gone for Depot Standardisation. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - omnicity4659 - 26 Aug 2017 Seems like a lot of spares to be honest, maybe another route will be upgraded with some of those listed? RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - Michael - 26 Aug 2017 (26 Aug 2017, 5:02 pm)omnicity4659 Seems like a lot of spares to be honest, maybe another route will be upgraded with some of those listed? Hopefully but the last i heard, all the 10 reg Citaro's were planning on going to a spare role, that can change though. I would say the 35/X84/X85 will have both have a spare. 8 on the Loop and 1 spare?, 6 Scania's from the Loop to Deptford for the 9, brand them "Black Cats". RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - Malarkey - 26 Aug 2017 (26 Aug 2017, 3:10 pm)Michael When is the first Citaro for the X84/X85 due back from Blackburn? Could replace the Scania L94's at Riverside on the Green Arrow 97/97A/X97 thus upgrading the service, alternatively they could be used replace the Scania L94's on the Black Cats 38/61 therefore all vehicles within the brand have the same features (Wifi, NSA's, Leather Seats). RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - Michael - 26 Aug 2017 (26 Aug 2017, 5:16 pm)Malarkey Could replace the Scania L94's at Riverside on the Green Arrow 97/97A/X97 thus upgrading the service, alternatively they could be used replace the Scania L94's on the Black Cats 38/61 therefore all vehicles within the brand have the same features (Wifi, NSA's, Leather Seats). Never thought of the 38 and 61, maybe the 61, not sure on the 38, then at least most of the spare Scania's at Deptford would be branded "Black Cats" RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - Jamie M - 26 Aug 2017 Aren't the 97 solars protected with some obscure council agreement? Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - cbma06 - 26 Aug 2017 (26 Aug 2017, 6:05 pm)Jamie M Aren't the 97 solars protected with some obscure council agreement? Same as the solars on service 20 and X35, and those services ended up with streetlites and citarios. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - South Tyne Lad - 26 Aug 2017 (26 Aug 2017, 7:36 pm)cbma06 Same as the solars on service 20 and X35, and those services ended up with streetlites and citarios. Probably because the Citaro's were fitted with the AVID E-Fan, A Emission's saving device just through other part's of the bus instead of the Eminox and Exhaust Traps fitted to the Solar's. Streetlite's obviously are fitted with there Micro-Hybrid system aswell as the E-Fan, So both on a whole were more environmentally friendly than the Eminox fitted Solar's they replaced, Which were Euro4 upon modifying while the Citaro's and WrightLite's were Euro5. Don't know if this was a result of all Private Investment or if there replacements are still funded by the council, however if it was all private then I'm sure the Council wouldn't complain! RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - Andreos1 - 26 Aug 2017 (26 Aug 2017, 7:54 pm)South Tyne Lad Probably because the Citaro's were fitted with the AVID E-Fan, A Emission's saving device just through other part's of the bus instead of the Eminox and Exhaust Traps fitted to the Solar's. There's been a bit of discussion in the past about the mods. Quite a few of us have our own specific niche interests. It could be allocations to Deptford, blobs on buses, Renowns, or the mechanical side of things. One of mine is Public Funds being used to benefit the purse of a private PLC. When GNE sell these vehicles, the potential to increase the sale value is going to be higher - if only because of the support of the LA's. Anyway, I've found a quote from earlier this year. There was discussion a while back about certain buses recieving eminox mods and it being funded by various local authorities. At the time, the query was whether those vehicles were to spend time within the same LA. As an example :- DCC fund mods to 5216 - it stays on routes that go in to Co Durham. 20 and then X35/X5. It might be worth looking to see where the old purple Solar's ended up... DCC contributed a big chunk of money to install the Eminox mods on them. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - Ambassador - 26 Aug 2017 Jesus, had 2 Waggonway solarss today, no ID I'm afraid. But the geaebox and suspension on them was absolutely ruined. Surely, considering the reliability and pvr issues of the 28, the Solar can't have long leftv RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - South Tyne Lad - 26 Aug 2017 (26 Aug 2017, 8:29 pm)Andreos1 There's been a bit of discussion in the past about the mods. Never thought of it that way to be honest, But yeah most of them ended up at Chester-Le-Street, Which is obviously in County Durham. If the same logic goes towards the rest that were treated that would limit the Green Arrow's/Loop's to routes serving Gateshead Council area for the rest of there time here, Fast Cat's/Prince Bishops to County Durham or Sunderland City Council's area, So majority of Solar's wont stray too far from where there operating for the rest of there working lives. RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - Andreos1 - 26 Aug 2017 (26 Aug 2017, 9:17 pm)South Tyne Lad Never thought of it that way to be honest, But yeah most of them ended up at Chester-Le-Street, Which is obviously in County Durham. We haven't been privvy to any SLA's and it may just be a coincidence they ended up at Chester... RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017 - LeeCalder - 27 Aug 2017 (26 Aug 2017, 8:35 pm)Ambassador Jesus, had 2 Waggonway solarss today, no ID I'm afraid. But the geaebox and suspension on them was absolutely ruined. Surely, considering the reliability and pvr issues of the 28, the Solar can't have long leftv 4956 & 57 I would assume. |