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RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - S813 FVK - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 11:52 am)Michael Wouldn't surprise me, the 13/14 and X25 could also get them, if we see a massive influx of Streetlites again but i'm sure i read a while back that single deckers wouldn't be ordered as much for the next 2 years.
So am I.
I think if we are going to see this happen, it would have to be through the remaining Citaro refurbishments and would probably mean that Deptford would need to lose some of their Citaros to Riverside (5305-9/25-7?) for the 58, releasing the Versas to go elsewhere. Certainly a good opportunity to bring the 58 up to the same specification as the 57 (ie the addition of USB Sockets).
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - Michael - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 12:00 pm)S813 FVK So am I.
I think if we are going to see this happen, it would have to be through the remaining Citaro refurbishments and would probably mean that Deptford would need to lose some of their Citaros to Riverside (5305-9/25-7?) for the 58, releasing the Versas to go elsewhere. Certainly a good opportunity to bring the 58 up to the same specification as the 57 (ie the addition of USB Sockets).
But what would go to Deptford to replace the Citaro's?, Deptford haven't got any Versa's, so i doubt they would get them now.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - S813 FVK - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 12:09 pm)Michael But what would go to Deptford to replace the Citaro's?, Deptford haven't got any Versa's, so i doubt they would get them now.
Other than Solars from Chester-le-Street, I have no idea. I haven't considered other rumoured 'upgrades' such as the B5LHs moving to the Coaster though which makes answering your question much easier.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - Michael - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 12:12 pm)S813 FVK Other than Solars from Chester-le-Street, I have no idea. I haven't considered other rumoured 'upgrades' such as the B5LHs moving to the Coaster though which makes answering your question much easier.
But Deptford have no Omnicities either, so i doubt they'll get them now, but you never know.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - S813 FVK - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 12:19 pm)Michael But Deptford have no Omnicities either, so i doubt they'll get them now, but you never know.
You're quite right, but you can easily give the Omnicities to depots which do have them/have had them (e.g. Washington, Chester-le-Street and Riverside) which can then allow Citaros and Solars to transfer to Deptford.
I also think that there is only so far you can go with depot standardisation before allocating more than 1 or 2 vehicle types to a depot becomes unavoidable.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - Michael - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 12:30 pm)S813 FVK You're quite right, but you can easily give the Omnicities to depots which do have them/have had them (e.g. Washington, Chester-le-Street and Riverside) which can then allow Citaros and Solars to transfer to Deptford.
I also think that there is only so far you can go with depot standardisation before allocating more than 1 or 2 vehicle types to a depot becomes unavoidable.
I think Deptford will just keep 5305-5309 for the 61 and 5325-27 and gain, 5328-5332 for the 35, with 5333/34 being spares for Deptford, like it was said before.
Black Cats Solar's re-allocated to the 9 and 38, it just seems alot easier...then new buses can be ordered for other services. As i can't see Deptford getting anything new for a few years now, i think Riverside will be next for new buses, The Quaylink allocation is a mess, with 3 different years of Versa allocated (2010/2011 and 2013), maybe its for them to get new buses although that'll cost a lot but the 20/20A got new buses, which has a high PVR... with rest of the order decker's.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - JP6004 - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 12:34 pm)Michael I think Deptford will just keep 5305-5309 for the 61 and 5325-27 and gain, 5328-5332 for the 35, with 5333/34 being spares for Deptford, like it was said before.
Black Cats Solar's re-allocated to the 9 and 38, it just seems alot easier...then new buses can be ordered for other services. As i can't see Deptford getting anything new for a few years now, i think Riverside will be next for new buses, The Quaylink allocation is a mess, with 3 different years of Versa allocated (2010/2011 and 2013), maybe its for them to get new buses although that'll cost a lot but the 20/20A got new buses, which has a high PVR... with rest of the order decker's.
PVR of 35 is 8 so could be:
5323-5328 for the 9 under new brand
5329-5336 for 35 (5337 & 5338 spare)
5305-5307 washy spare
5308 & 5309 riverside
If streetdeck are ordered for 21 amd B5H go to Percy Main for coaster then
8 omni for 11 plus 2 spare
1 to washy to displace 5307 to riverside
Rest remain at PM to displace eclipse/solar
If streetlite ordered for 58 then:
5 long versa to chester for 28
9 long versa to Q3
Q1/Q2 to be standardised to midi versa
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - S813 FVK - 15 Oct 2017
I can't see 5324, 5337 and 5338 staying at Washington for much longer post-refurbishment. Seems bizarre to me to have spare vehicles that are of a higher specification than the regular allocation.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - Ds1197 - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 1:31 pm)S813 FVK I can't see 5324, 5337 and 5338 staying at Washington for much longer post-refurbishment. Seems bizarre to me to have spare vehicles that are of a higher specification than the regular allocation.
5337 and 5338 are a different vehicle then service there spares for which are 5/50
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - Michael - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 1:31 pm)S813 FVK I can't see 5324, 5337 and 5338 staying at Washington for much longer post-refurbishment. Seems bizarre to me to have spare vehicles that are of a higher specification than the regular allocation.
Ye i agree, maybe JP6004 could be right with his allocations, although the Scania's have just been branded "Black Cats", they could be used as spares.
5328/5329 should arrive back this week, if I've got the order correct.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - LVK 404L - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 1:39 pm)Ds1197 5337 and 5338 are a different vehicle then service there spares for which are 5/50
are they not spares for the 4 too though?
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - S813 FVK - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 2:22 pm)ifm001 are they not spares for the 4 too though?
Yes - I don't really understand the post to be honest.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - Malarkey - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 2:22 pm)ifm001 are they not spares for the 4 too though?
That's correct.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - Ds1197 - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 2:22 pm)ifm001 are they not spares for the 4 too though?
Washington spares usually end up on any of they services, even though I think citaros would be a better allocation to the 5/50 then the omnicities
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - Michael - 15 Oct 2017
He means, if the Citaro's at Washington are going back to Washington after refurbishment, then they would be higher spec than the current Connections 4 Citaro's, as that batch doesn't have USB plugs.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - Malarkey - 15 Oct 2017
With regards to depot standardisation I would go with the following.
5304 to 5309 remain at Deptford for the 9
5324/25 - Spares at Washington for the 4/5 & 50
5326 to 5336 - Branded at Washington for the 5 & 50
5337/38 - Spares at Washington for the 4/5 & 50
As a result of the above 5243 to 5247 and 5255 to 5260 would transfer to Deptford for the 35 with the remaining being spares.
Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - cbma06 - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 2:52 pm)Malarkey With regards to depot standardisation I would go with the following.
5304 to 5309 remain at Deptford for the 9
5324/25 - Spares at Washington for the 4/5 & 50
5326 to 5336 - Branded at Washington for the 5 & 50
5337/38 - Spares at Washington for the 4/5 & 50
As a result of the above 5243 to 5247 and 5255 to 5260 would transfer to Deptford for the 35 with the remaining being spares.
Can't see any omnis going to deptford
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RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - park5354 - 15 Oct 2017
Really don't agree with Deptford getting refurbished Citaros !!!!
Services X5, 9 and 35 all have/are getting them, but they are NOT used on Evening/Sunday, when incorrect branded Streetlites are used.
Refurbished Citaros should go on routes that use correct branded buses at all times, ie Loop and Green Arrow.
A better solution would be to tidy up 5218-28, repaint and brand as Black Cats.
Really think that 5377-84/5385/90 should be repainted and branded Green Arrow, with 5389 as spare (beamish)
with 5306-09/5323-6 for Citylink58 (5305 spare),
and 5328-36 repainted black for loop 93/94 (5327 spare).
In addition
8306 to Chester for 34/34A (leave as GNE corporate)
8307/08 on to South Tyne 88/88A, with 8309 as spare (leave as GNE corporate)
5229-32 to Percy Main for service 19 plus 5210 as spare
4978-82 to Riverside for 67/69 (4+1 spare)
5387/8 all get purple Q1/2 branding,
8316/17/18 get green Q3 branding, allowing same batch on Q3
5385 repainted for Green Arrow, with 8335 taking its place on Q1/2 allocation (kept as pride)
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - Malarkey - 15 Oct 2017
Another idea from me.
Angel gets 17 Streetdecks.
6056 to 6070 go to Riverside for the 53/54 & 58
As a result of service changes they would merge together into one service numbered 53/54 operating every 7/8 Minutes between Heworth and Gateshead, every 15 minutes on the existing 53/54 route, basically the route would be like this.
Heworth - Leam Lane Estate - Felling Square - Deckham - Gateshead - Newcastle - Bensham Road - Saltwell Park - Coatsworth Road - Gateshead - Deckham - Felling Square - Leam Lane Estate - Heworth
This would then allow the following.
8339 to 8346 transfer to Deptford for the 35
5377 to 5384,5389,5390 transferring to Chester for the single deck boards of 13/14/X25 & services 28/28A.
3961 to 3964 would remain at Chester for the double deck boards of the 13/14/X25.
As for the Citaros I would go with what I said earlier.
5304 to 5309 remain at Deptford for the 61
Black Cats Scania L94's would the be allocated to the 9/38
5324/25 - Spares at Washington for the 4/5 & 50
5326 to 5336 - Branded at Washington for the 5 & 50
5337/38 - Spares at Washington for the 4/5 & 50
The Omnicities would then go to Percy Main for the 11/19 with the Scania L94's/Volvo B7RLE's replacing older Scania L94's in the fleet.
Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - October 2017 - cbma06 - 15 Oct 2017
(15 Oct 2017, 5:21 pm)Malarkey Another idea from me.
Angel gets 17 Streetdecks.
6056 to 6070 go to Riverside for the 53/54 & 58
As a result of service changes they would merge together into one service numbered 53/54 operating every 7/8 Minutes between Heworth and Gateshead, every 15 minutes on the existing 53/54 route, basically the route would be like this.
Heworth - Leam Lane Estate - Felling Square - Deckham - Gateshead - Newcastle - Bensham Road - Saltwell Park - Coatsworth Road - Gateshead - Deckham - Felling Square - Leam Lane Estate - Heworth
This would then allow the following.
8339 to 8346 transfer to Deptford for the 35
5377 to 5384,5389,5390 transferring to Chester for the single deck boards of 13/14/X25 & services 28/28A.
3961 to 3964 would remain at Chester for the double deck boards of the 13/14/X25.
As for the Citaros I would go with what I said earlier.
5304 to 5309 remain at Deptford for the 61
Black Cats Scania L94's would the be allocated to the 9/38
5324/25 - Spares at Washington for the 4/5 & 50
5326 to 5336 - Branded at Washington for the 5 & 50
5337/38 - Spares at Washington for the 4/5 & 50
The Omnicities would then go to Percy Main for the 11/19 with the Scania L94's/Volvo B7RLE's replacing older Scania L94's in the fleet.
Can't see versas going to deptford, can't see service 53/54 and 58 warranting double deckers.
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